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avatar Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53 : Grandmaster Programmer
Posted 10/30/11 8:06:41 pm , last updated: 11/09/11 11:01:49 pm
10/30/11
This is a response to Mama Carole's Epic Rant

For those that are wondering about yon old days, I remember when I could read every single post on the entire forums, and for several months including before I was a moderator, I read every post on the entire forum and the number of posts that needed moderation was nearly 0. I think that I was a moderator for only a month or two before the posting volume became too large for me to keep reading it all, and at that point there was also a shift from useful information into the drivel that we see today. There have been I think 10 or 20 new boards created for the forums, and about half of those is to section off a portion of the spam. Things like the Hamachi sub-section in the forums, the Herobrine forum, and games areas among others.

I remember when I helped create a server that was open to all members on PMC and a great number of the community was active on that server. Now, I would not even think twice about telling 95% of you that I would never allow you on my server because of the attitude and immaturity that I see. For anyone that wants some fun numbers, my whitelist is not much bigger than my banlist, and 95% of that banlist are people that have never even been on my server because they could not follow the simple instruction of "PM, not comment".

While I am sorry that some of us Moderators that are older than the age of majority may seem cynical, rude, or overly sarcastic, it is because we have seen this community transform from a harmonious beacon of Minecraft Creativity to an island of harmony surrounded by a sea of strife. I do not want PMC to [b]have[/b] an island of calm in the storm of the Minecraft community, I want PMC to [b][i]be[/i][/b] an island of calm within the storm of crap that this community has.

There are three main problems that I see that are causing harm to the Planet Minecraft community. I would say that 90% or more of the problems on PMC are a lack of nrespect and courtesy between members both to each other and to nthemselves. Unfortunately when people have the illusion of being nanonymous and never needing to see the people that they are talking to, nthey are willing to do things that they would not even think of. My hopen is that people will think of others and overcome these urges. An nexample is my desire to log on to every server that offers free op as a nselling point and use the op powers to turn the server off. I do not do nthis because I know that I represent PMC as one of the moderators and I nhope that the server owners will grow to do something better in the nfuture.

Another problem that plagues the community is the theft nthat goes on where people take skins, textures, and other things and npost them for their own recognition because people do not seem to want nto share in another persons accomplishment, they want all the glory for nthemselves. Some of this comes from people simply not knowing that it isn not right, like the people that use the skin parts pickers to assemble nskins instead of creating them from scratch, and the other people are ndoing it simply because they want someone to like them. One example nagain with me, is the fact that I used to have the highest voted projectn on all of PMC, which was my Moria project. When some of the projects nthat hold incredible ratings now were posted, I felt sad for a moment, nbut instead of wanting to rage against the projects that took my place nat the top, I was glad to see something of such quality and it made me nwant to make my project even better. As Block_Fortress stated so well, "[i]Get better, not bitter[/i]".

The last thing that I think nthat we can do is to bring a certain level of maturity to the community.n Keep the funny fart jokes to yourself and leave the spam at home. I nknow that most younger users are still in the stage in life where n'trolling' is funny, but if we can help them step up, we can not only nhelp them here, but later on (think of how important it is to be nliterate when you go get a job).

With these issues and potential solutions in mind, let us band together and work towards bringing this community to its former diamond days of glory when all were treated fairly by their fellows and moderators were not needed. My hand is extended, will you take it and join me?

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Tags:Epic, Rant, Response, Community, Call, Arms, Troll, Article, Problem, New, Old, Maturity, Mature, Immature, Children
Credit:CreeperCarole for the original rant, GrizzlyAmish for linking it in his signature, You for reading this message

Additional Content : 11/09/2011 11:01:49 pm11/09/11

I have added the extension that I made to my blog in the comments to the main blog, as well as the very smooth phrase given to me by Block_Fortress.

NEWLINES! : 10/31/2011 6:16:16 pm10/31/11

Found a ninja way to edit this so that I could remove all of the un-escaped newline characters. Also added a new credit to this blog because if you are reading this post, I thank you.

Join us to post comments.

Comments : 85

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BoureySR85
Level 1
New Crafter
January 29, 2013, 6:33 pm

Bravo, finally someone with some sense. Even tho my response be late, I will assuredly heed this Call to Arms.

dougylord900
Level 20
Expert Dragonborn
October 21, 2012, 8:12 am

Great blog!

Scotlockify
Level 19
Journeyman Mage
January 12, 2012, 7:01 pm

You see. the problem is, this is a public forum/board. The public majority are mostly trolls/whatever else,
Private forums/boards are created for the people who figure out how to enter them, for what they like. Such as minecraft. Privates are started off the best from the minority in publics though, so yeah


Anyway. i support this call

ABipolarNinja
Level 3
Apprentice Artist
December 23, 2011, 7:18 pm

Man aint this the truth any site i've been on there is way too much trolling to control. I find it a little ridiculous and stupid even when i was younger i didn't troll anyone, im in.

glaava
Level 1
New Alien
December 18, 2011, 7:36 am

I <3 Zar.
TEEHEE
nice blog :P

ClpGamer
Level 43
Master Nether Knight
November 28, 2011, 7:25 am

tl:dr for most people

Vettexl
Level 48
Master Technomancer
November 26, 2011, 8:10 pm

I totally agree with you; it's widespread across the internet, and it's hard to control. I hope you'll continue to do a good job here keeping people in line. :)

megaman5246
Level 1
New Explorer
November 24, 2011, 3:40 pm

if we mere mortals give up the fight because it's hard, why fight at all? That is like saying we shouldn't have doctors or hospitals because people just end up dying.

-from the voice of the younger kids. xD

megaman5246
Level 1
New Explorer
November 24, 2011, 3:34 pm

You know,l we could just blame notch for making the game therefore if he didn't create the game, there would be no pmc and no trolling, instead, we could all piss about mw3.

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
November 25, 2011, 10:28 am

There would still be trolling, even without Planet Minecraft.

KittyKarnage
Level 12
Journeyman Princess
November 17, 2011, 5:37 pm

Count me In!

Marshmallow06
Level 26
Expert Unicorn
November 15, 2011, 1:58 pm

Yes. I completely agree, and think it was definitely well said.

Jackie1st
Site Moderator
Level 54
Grandmaster Narwhal
November 13, 2011, 3:09 pm

Very well said

pugler20
Level 5
Apprentice Hunter
November 11, 2011, 4:24 am

count me in

Rova
Site Moderator
Level 52
Grandmaster Baconator
November 10, 2011, 6:30 pm

Count me in.   Im glad to see that Im not the only one who feels this

justinsells76
Level 37
Artisan Droid
November 10, 2011, 6:11 pm

Im with you Zar but some things are just making pmc not fun anymore (No more down voting) since its been gone it will be harder to tell if your creations are good or not {[EXAMPLE: Say i upload a project and its not very good and im wanting to know if people think it is good or not, the upvote/downvote system helped this situation allot. Now people will leave rude comments that can hurt others and breaking their spirits to just try harder next time. The upvote/downvote system was just a simple anonymous person giving you their opinion and they could leave a comment if they wanted to be noticed.

Then you have "Trollers" ,trollers should be banned or get a permanent bad reputation that disables them from leaving comments or upvoting and downvoting. It may go slow at first but with the supporters of this good community "I believe we can pull through." 

This is a community that should have a wide range of options to share their opinions and yes Zar that was in the good old days where trolls were mature and didn't screw everything up for the other 50% of this good community.  

lynchyinc
Site Moderator
Level 71
Legendary Architect
November 10, 2011, 6:12 am

I think the problem is mass retardation, i blame the flouride in the drinking water.

Creeper Hugs U
Level 27
Expert Pixel Puncher
July 24, 2012, 7:34 pm

Hahaha xD

The_Gentlemann
Level 1
New Miner
November 9, 2011, 6:31 pm

I wholeheartedly disagree with the thought that the younger generation might simply view things differently from the others. I would know, being among their number. Perhaps it's because I am at the higher end of 'young,' but I've been told I am mature for my age (not to 'toot my own horn' so to speak). I'll admit, I'll engage sometimes in the drivel of the forums (not necessarily this one, as I am brand new), but very rarely, and often my contributions are aimed at the hard task of correcting the denizens' spelling, grammar, and overuse of caps-locking. As one fellow ranter to another, I applaud you for maintaining a beacon of hope and sanity in an increasingly insane world.

-The Gentlemann

Po1ntBlank
Level 43
Master Technomancer
November 8, 2011, 9:58 pm

Well put, Zar. I remember one night SoulStealer (Who now that I think about it, I havent seen him or kacboy lately at all!) signed off the chat room, and before he logged off my server which we was simultaneously playing, said, "I swear,spend an hour on that chat room and the overall IQ of it drops by a point every time." I didn't take the full force of his words until now how much I realize he was right, not just about the chat room, but unfortunately about the entire forums. I'm without question on your side with this, and do my best one post at a time to rectify the situation, (Oh how I've noticed I use that word so much xD). 

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
November 9, 2011, 5:54 pm

I thank you for the support. Getting through to people one at a time is the only way to go. If you have any additional things that you think I need to add to this discussion, please let me know.

Deth_Glitch
Level 19
Journeyman Mage
November 5, 2011, 8:55 pm

theres too many people who just dont get minecraft we need to fix that issue

Deth_Glitch
Level 19
Journeyman Mage
November 5, 2011, 8:54 pm

agreed

14xgamer
Level 1
New Crafter
November 3, 2011, 6:13 pm

I say yes! My bow and I are on your side!



gundamned100
Level 1
New Crafter
November 3, 2011, 12:25 am

Great blog post, I for one feel that if I act immature and douchebaggy over the internet, I would gradually begin to act like that in real life. That's why I always act like I would in real life to prevent me from turning over to the "dark" side XD. Nice blog again, I wish I could have enjoyed the times where PMC was free of the current litter and people who think it's "cool" to just steal or remake skins or projects. Also I am about to post my first project up soon, making the finishing touches and polishing it up to ensure it shall be a proper project instead of a 5 minute project or just a copy of a project =) Makes me feel good that there are people who believe there's a chance to fight the trolls who made PMC into what it is today, Thanks again Zara.

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
November 3, 2011, 3:49 pm

Please, call me Zar. Also, I am glad that you share my view on being yourself. If we moderators have anything to say about it, that Diamond era will return and we will once again prosper under the shining power of PMC.

Roxthesox
Retired Moderator
Level 48
Master Wizard
November 2, 2011, 5:40 pm

You have my bow. . .

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
November 3, 2011, 3:50 pm

Thank you. May it fire true and smite the enemies of reasoned conduct from afar, before their infection can spread.

Antiqua
Level 59
Grandmaster Elf
November 2, 2011, 9:59 am

I'm working on not being a bitch. It's hard because I get irritated so god damned easily, and my super-duper short fuse doesn't help much either. bahahahaa.

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
November 3, 2011, 3:47 pm

Well, working on it is better than letting fly. I also get annoyed fairly easily, and I hold back because I realize 2 things. 1. This is the internet, your carefully crafted rant or argument can merely be ignored. 2. Most of those I would be fighting with are half my age, so what should I care.

Antiqua
Level 59
Grandmaster Elf
November 3, 2011, 4:00 pm

So true. But I get irritated easily, annoyances I can ignore, but a lot of things just send me off the edge when it probably shouldn't. *sigh* I was raised too harshly.

Po1ntBlank
Level 43
Master Technomancer
November 8, 2011, 10:00 pm

Possibly, and I am just suggesting this, I know it might be hard, but maybe instead of ranting into a message box and hitting send, you delete the message after, instead of posting it? And then just send a calmer reply?


And even though you may be, "bitchy" (JK) I still would rather have an intelligent person with a short temper, than an immature person, who is always acting below his age, even when calm.

Antiqua
Level 59
Grandmaster Elf
November 9, 2011, 10:51 am

I can try that, in all honesty. Seems legit. I am a bitch, never once have I denied it in any way. I agree wholeheartedly, but I would also rather be hated for who I am than loved who I am not. <33

Po1ntBlank
Level 43
Master Technomancer
November 9, 2011, 3:27 pm

Agreed. I find sometimes jokingly "raging" as people at my school call it, sometimes makes being mad feel more like a joke, and I notice I am alot less mad all the time xD

Antiqua
Level 59
Grandmaster Elf
November 9, 2011, 3:44 pm

bahahahaa. I'm not that good.

Po1ntBlank
Level 43
Master Technomancer
November 9, 2011, 4:57 pm

We can all try, right? Haha

knight4d5
Level 21
Expert Skinner
November 2, 2011, 5:23 am

why is it that the site moderators make good speeches and make us fellow minecrafters look at are selves  and say "what have i become?". i understand what zaralith and Mama Carole, are trying to get at and that is we as a community need to be more up building than less downgrading, those are my thoughts on this.

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
November 2, 2011, 8:43 am

I am glad that you want to help with the call to arms. Spread this to the ends of the earth and let all know that PMC is a sanctuary from which to combat this insanity. The fact that this gives even one person pause is enough to say that I have done well with my words.

epic2
Level 17
Journeyman Toast
November 2, 2011, 8:20 am

exactly.

GrizzlyAmish
Site Moderator
Level 17
Journeyman Mountaineer
November 2, 2011, 5:00 am

Time to post another blog URL in the signature.
Too bad one image doesn't hold two URL's.. would be sweet to have this and Carole's blog open in separate tabs.
"While I am sorry that some of us moderators that are older than the age of majority may seem cynical, rude, or overly sarcastic..." Love this line. Can't forget that the younger members will view things differently than us, so we should apologize for their misunderstanding while we teach them how things are/should be.
Call to Arms tag, lol

Emorak
Level 9
Apprentice Miner
November 2, 2011, 5:15 am

What if you made two separate signatures fit onto one line? So like this > [ 1 ]  [ 2 ]

Surely that would solve that issue?

GrizzlyAmish
Site Moderator
Level 17
Journeyman Mountaineer
November 2, 2011, 6:22 am

I was thinking that as well. I just didn't type it out. xD
But I just saw the pics you posted in the thread. Will have to throw them in my siggy when I get home.
--
Scratch that, doin it now

crasherz5
Level 1
New Miner
November 1, 2011, 9:48 am

Great Response Zaralith

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
November 1, 2011, 11:03 am

Thank you.

Leefield
Level 57
Grandmaster Architect
November 1, 2011, 4:11 am

I don't bother to read the forum's any more. It's become to full of the "rate the person above you" crap. Can I answer "childish" to all? Maybe we need an adult section? well that's not going to happen. I can understand what you mean Zar, but I think the other's are right. As the users become younger and respect comes with age - Loosing battle springs to mind. 

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
November 1, 2011, 9:04 am

Simply because the battle seems hopeless, does not mean you give up the fight. While equating this to books and movies is silly, if Pug had given up on Kelewan when he was captured and made a slave, he would not have been able to save Midkemia by becoming the most powerful wizard in the universe and a member of the Assembly of Kelewan. The men and others guarding Helm's deep or Minas Tirith would not have received those reinforcements had they simply given up and died before they could get there. As for getting a mature topics section, the suggestion has been made and some of the mods agree on creating such, including myself. I think it may be a little silly to segregate the community into areas, but providing the children with a place to play while the adults talk at the table is a good idea that people use in real life, why not here.

Po1ntBlank
Level 43
Master Technomancer
November 8, 2011, 10:02 pm

I am in awe at how brilliantly crafted that speech was. You managed to incorporate Lord of the Rings into a serious topic. I applaud you

ZaphodX
Retired Moderator
Level 70
Legendary Warrior
October 31, 2011, 11:51 pm

It's a good blog but I think you are fighting a war that can't be won.

SpringBean
Level 11
Journeyman Dragonborn
November 1, 2011, 1:22 am

Agreed. God would it be lovely if these things could be cut down but It's obviously a losing fight. We see on the minecraft forums these things are kept pretty damn low yet on PMC It's still going, I really wonder what's so different.

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
November 1, 2011, 9:05 am

Nothing is ever solved by admitting defeat. If you do such, they have won, and do we really want the tides to sweep away our sanctum? I think not, so I for one will build high walls and defend them to the last. Maybe it is not a war that can be 'won' but that does not mean that we need to lose. Simply standing our ground is victory enough to see another day.

SpringBean
Level 11
Journeyman Dragonborn
November 3, 2011, 9:35 pm

Defeat is okay, and hell It's a big part of life. I don't see how winning wins you anything but feeling good about yourself, but everyone else is jealous of the winners, not approving or proud. Unless of course were talking about mothers, which I'm pretty positive were not.

ZaphodX
Retired Moderator
Level 70
Legendary Warrior
November 1, 2011, 11:12 am

If you get enough support from people willing to put in the time and effort then great, lots of members are beginning to get utterly sick of it. I think big changes are necessary though.


I suggest removing all the forum spam areas off the most recent 20 posts list and employing some more forum moderators.



pupuseria
Level 19
Journeyman Architect
October 31, 2011, 2:39 pm

I'm curious how else might we fix PMC from all of its community's problems? 

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
October 31, 2011, 3:07 pm

I would say that 90% or more of the problems on PMC are a lack of respect and courtesy between members both to each other and to themselves. Unfortunately when people have the illusion of being anonymous and never needing to see the people that they are talking to, they are willing to do things that they would not even think of. My hope is that people will think of others and overcome these urges. An example is my desire to log on to every server that offers free op as a selling point and use the op powers to turn the server off. I do not do this because I know that I represent PMC as one of the moderators and I hope that the server owners will grow to do something better in the future.

Another problem that plagues the community is the theft that goes on where people take skins, textures, and other things and post them for their own recognition because people do not seem to want to share in another persons accomplishment, they want all the glory for themselves. Some of this comes from people simply not knowing that it is not right, like the people that use the skin parts pickers to assemble skins instead of creating them from scratch, and the other people are doing it simply because they want someone to like them. One example again with me, is the fact that I used to have the highest voted project on all of PMC, which was my Moria project. When some of the projects that hold incredible ratings now were posted, I felt sad for a moment, but instead of wanting to rage against the projects that took my place at the top, I was glad to see something of such quality and it made me want to make my project even better.

The last thing that I think that we can do is to bring a certain level of maturity to the community. Keep the funny fart jokes to yourself and leave the spam at home. I know that most younger users are still in the stage in life where 'trolling' is funny, but if we can help them step up, we can not only help them here, but later on (think of how important it is to be literate when you go get a job). Let me know what you think to this extension of my blog post.

Po1ntBlank
Level 43
Master Technomancer
November 8, 2011, 10:09 pm

Noting this, I sometimes tell people that hand out free OP to not do that, because obviously they are only doing that so players join faster, or because they want to lean on someone to help them make the server, (Admit it, we've all been in that situation, whether a server or a school project) but what I tell them to do, is make the page just say "Server name" so the link stays like that forever, even if they change the topic title (As "shadows of gazamo" for example the link is still shadowville, medieval RP) and then make the title say, "Looking for staff," as that way more people will look at the server, and only people truly worthy of the staff position will apply themselves and succeed at becoming staff on your server. (Typing this, I think of Mjolnir65, who even though he is merely a teenager, applies himself to helping my server more than anyone I have ever seen of any age, and Rsos4953, a student in college who in between classes skyped through his phone just to help out.) It's people like that you need to, and will find as friends, and as co-staff.


Excuse my grammer, I just woke up from a snooze xD

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
November 9, 2011, 5:57 pm

My server is not large enough to warrant more than just me running things, but if or when I get that sort of traffic, I will need to find some good admins. I would love to ask for any tips you have on the search and selection process, though I don't know if I would be able to run the server effectively with traffic that requires that many people.

Po1ntBlank
Level 43
Master Technomancer
November 9, 2011, 10:27 pm

Well, frankly, what I did, was I just made a server (brand new) that said Looking for staff, then I "interviewed" a few people that applied (except Rsos, he joined the "real" server the first day i made it, and caught my eye with his extensive knowledge on plugins) I asked them to help me with the server, and most of them just wanted to join and play on it for the fun, and the ones I look back that were admins, etc. never asked. They truly earned it, and that's all you can ask for, is someone determined enough to work for something on a server that may or may not be exteremely popular. But I ask them about it, and they say they saw something in my server they hadnt seen in many, nothing to do with the server, but Rsos and my pure dedication for the players of the server, and they say thats frankly what attarcted them to the server.


Anyway, the interview asked for people who were 18, or could pass for it by maturity, and someone named Mjolnir blatantly said he was only 14, so he would like to be a mod. Just the pure honesty really caught my attention, so I made him a mod pretty quickly after hearing some other things. I then asked later if he had any knowledge on configuring plugins, and I asked him to configure Falsebook for me, he said he didnt really know, but would try, and sure enough, 15 minutes later he said he thinks he figured it out, and a perfectly configured version of 2-3 plugins I asked him were in an email. That week I promoted him to Admin, then HeadAdmin, then Co-Owner along with Rsos.


I know this might not answer your question, but frankly, Im somewhat okay with that. If you EVER need someone to help you, gimme a PM, and I can "get the gang back together" and we can see what we can do. Mjolnir65 (Magic98Danny on minecraft) is a truly hardworking dedicated person to any server he helps with at all, and Rsos4953 (same as on minecraft) has a large amount of extensive knowledge with plugins, and general server setup/troubleshooting, and as a college student he is, I reccomend you talk to him a little bit.


But to answer your original question, just ask a little by little to random players to see if they can help, and I always look for the ones that aren't to eager, aren't too cocky, and will just press themselves to do whatever they can to help you. I sometimes use a friends account and make a fake server just to find people that know what they are doing, and get attracted to those "LOOKING FOR STAFF" posts :)


Sorry if I didnt truly answer your question, and sorry for my poor grammar/spelling tonight, its 1AM and I cant sleep T_T If you want to know anything else, just ask :) Im here to help!

pupuseria
Level 19
Journeyman Architect
October 31, 2011, 8:17 pm

I think that this is what all the people of PMC should do especially the part about the project because that would make some of the projects a lot better

Block_Fortress
Site Moderator
Level 70
Legendary Unicorn
October 31, 2011, 3:12 pm

"When some of the projects that hold incredible ratings now were posted, I felt sad for a moment, but instead of wanting to rage against the projects that took my place at the top, I was glad to see something of such quality and it made me want to make my project even better."


^^ That is how all members should be. Don't get bitter get better. 

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
November 1, 2011, 9:00 am

+1 on this. Don't get bitter, get better.

GrizzlyAmish
Site Moderator
Level 17
Journeyman Mountaineer
November 2, 2011, 5:02 am

So you really meant +2.

Or had two comment windows open at the same time.

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
November 9, 2011, 5:42 pm

stupid mouse had a short that sometimes double clicked when I single click. It opens multiple comment windows for some reason. I think the reason is magic.

Po1ntBlank
Level 43
Master Technomancer
November 8, 2011, 10:04 pm

Or clicked SUBMIT twice while it was loading ;)

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
October 31, 2011, 2:12 pm

Oh right, I meant to remove the un-escaped newline characters (all those 'n's and fancy talk for hitting enter) but I seem to be unable to edit my submissions. Gotta check my stuff.

Zaralith
Super Moderator
Level 53
Grandmaster Programmer
October 31, 2011, 2:17 pm

And I found a ninja way to edit this to remove those pesky parsing fails.

Tharesan
Level 30
Artisan Unicorn
October 31, 2011, 9:42 am

Sure I'll help out zar, but I still don't know what we as a group can do.

NeoTalon
Level 35
Artisan Droid
October 31, 2011, 9:45 am

Well, for starters I suppose we could stop feeding the Trolls :)

FairyMary
Level 23
Expert Geek
October 31, 2011, 9:27 am

hehe, when I got on I remember that there was only like 5 mod's uploaded.... then PMC got EXTREMELY Popular...  oh and yes, I will unite, and you may wanna see a doctor about all those N's :)

Charlizard
Site Moderator
Level 55
Grandmaster Unicorn
October 31, 2011, 8:04 am

I remember when i joined,absolutely no trolls.

Then i met Excision ;)

NeoTalon
Level 35
Artisan Droid
October 31, 2011, 9:46 am

:)

chrounos
Level 11
Journeyman Architect
October 31, 2011, 8:01 am

THE N'S HAVE TAKEN OVER THIS POST URS MAYBE NEXT RUUUUNNNN!!!!

three_two
Retired Moderator
Level 71
Legendary Warrior
October 31, 2011, 5:11 am

Today's rant brought to you by the letter "n" xD


I remember the good ol' days. I think there were less than 1000 members when I joined :O

GrizzlyAmish
Site Moderator
Level 17
Journeyman Mountaineer
November 2, 2011, 5:01 am

I can't even fathom that..

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