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Need a low-cost deskop instead of a laptop

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P.S. For everyone: I changed my mind so I`m gonna buy a desktop instead. Read my latest posts!
And don`t read the stuff below.
Hey guys... I need to buy a new laptop soon and I need your help.
1) It must be a laptop not a desktop
2) Needs to be cheap so it can`t be for more than 450 euros
3) Must run these games:
Minecraft
GTA SA
GTA 4
NFS Most Wanted
TF 2
I really will play mostly only Minecraft but I`m just wondering if the laptop will run those games.
Which one of these should I choose:
A)
Intel i3 1.8 ghz
4 gb RAM
Intel HD 4000 graphics
500 gb HDD
B)
Intel Pentium DualCore 1.8 ghz
4 gb RAM
Nvidia Geforce 710m graphics
500 gb HDD

I prefer the B one. I will play with optifine. I really need to know how much fps will I get.

SO? Please be polite when answering, thanks!
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08/01/2014 6:47 am
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Okay, just to clear everything up, I`ve bought the PC I had mentioned before ( AMD A6-6400k, GeForce GT610) and I`m not even dissapointed beacuse it can run Minecraft (normal settings, no Optifine) At 80-90 FPS. Tried other games too, no lag.
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08/01/2014 2:20 pm
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You didn't consult with us before purchasing this? What he was talking about with the APU and the GPU was that you're basically buying 2 GPUs. At that price you could've gotten a Pentium which would destroy the A6-6400k and you'd still be using the discrete card.
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06/18/2014 11:45 am
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I couldn't find PCPartPicker in Euros, but the closest was in Pounds. This build comes out to about 340 euros, which is a bit over your budget, but it'll give you much better bang for your buck than NetworkPCE's build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A8-5600K 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£63.76 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: MSI A78M-E45 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard (£40.14 @ Aria PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£57.22 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£26.99 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£35.80 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHDS118-04 DVD/CD Drive (£10.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £270.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-18 16:32 BST+0100

► The APU in the A8-5600k is going to outperform the GT 610; it'll probably outperform the GT 630! Alternatively, you could also go with the A10-5800k, which is going to outperform the A8 and will perform as well as a GT 650! It will also cost a little more.
► In terms of motherboard, I made sure it was Crossfire compatible, if you ever want to get a low-mid range dedicated graphics card and crossfire it with the APU.
► Got high-speed RAM, in case you ever want to upgrade the processor to a faster APU in the future.
► For storage, you've got a good-sized 1TB HDD, at a nice 7200RPM speed. This should be more than enough for your data needs.
► For the case, I just put in a nice, cheap Fractal Designs case. they're small, and look good.
► For the PSU, I got a semi-modular because since you're using a smaller case, there will be a lot less room for storing the extra cables of a non-modular PSU. Plus, it leaves a lot of buffer room for if you ever want to upgrade to better CPUs, and also if you want to crossfire.
► Optical drive is a simple cheapy.
► If you need Windows 7, I highly suggest you go to /r/softwareswap, as they'll be able to get you a key code. Windows 7 will cost like $10 (7 euros).

There you go

Source for APU performance.
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06/05/2014 8:47 am
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How about this:
CPU: AMD APU X2 A6-6400K 4.1 Ghz
GPU: GeForce GT 610
RAM: 4 GB
HDD: 500 GB (1000gb +15 €)
DVD-RW
MB: Asus/gigabyte/msi FM2 Socket AMD A series
Audio: High Definition Audio 2.1/7.1-channel HD front panel audio
LAN: Gigabit-lan (10/100/1000 Mbit)

It`s for 273.00 €. (I tried to keep the price as cheap as possible)
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06/05/2014 8:59 am
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Killertoad
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No you have a APU and a dedicated card together.
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06/05/2014 9:48 am
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VeryMadCrafter
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If so, are APUs good for gaming? How about this one (other specs are the same):
AMD APU X2 A6-6400K DualCore 8200MHz ( 4100mhz x2 ) + GPU Radeon HD 8470D
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06/05/2014 11:13 am
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Killertoad
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You'd be better without a apu in a gaming build
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06/03/2014 5:21 am
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VeryMadCrafter
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By the way, which GPU will be better - AMD radeon or Geforce?
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06/03/2014 6:42 am
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It depends. AMD is cheaper, but nVidia has more features that may benefit you, but then again BF4 can use Mantle, which is only on AMD.
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06/01/2014 7:03 am
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GL
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06/01/2014 6:55 am
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Thanks! I can`t spend that much, but I`ll take a look...
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06/01/2014 6:33 am
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06/01/2014 6:32 am
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oh right then sorry, i should of read back the previous posts.

For a desktop to run ALL 4th gen + games (and minecraft of course)
a PC like mine is sufficient, and would cost you $500 (£380)
I play games like Battlefield 4 at over 100fps on ULTRA, same with most games.
Minecraft gets me over 300+ fps. with shaders mod, still 100 fps!!!

Intel Core I5 4660K (or similar) 3.2 GHz
8GB Corsair vengence ram
160GB Solid state drive
Nvidia GTX 760 graphics card
cheap case
cheap motherboard (providing it has correct 1155 socket)
cheap keyboard + mouse
cheap screen

upgrade the rest when you want and then this way you dont have to spend over $1000 on a gaming pc that will require upgrades within 18 months.

If you are within the UK / Europe, private message me and I will happily make you a cheap online basket of goodies to help you out.
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06/01/2014 6:15 am
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laptop = no games.
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06/18/2014 10:26 am
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I presume you havent used a gaming laptop before then, or actually a normal 15' laptop with decent low specs to say that
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06/18/2014 10:55 am
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Yes, you can game on them, but at lower resolutions, lower textures, lower everything. Laptops are not meant for gaming, they never were. They were meant for fast and easy business stuff, like meetings and such. Then people thought "Hey lets rip people off with "gaming laptops" and then you got what everyone thinks is better, gaming laptops.
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08/05/2014 7:15 am
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Ok fine obviously you arent going to get the same power out of it but getting 200fps on a gaming laptop isnt uncommon(minecraft)
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08/05/2014 7:37 am
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Those laptops are very pricey around the same price as my rig. And I can get 300-600 fps on MC and MC doesn't use the other GPU I have so in other games the performance is a lot higher.
Also MC is not demanding at all.
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06/01/2014 6:18 am
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VeryMadCrafter
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As I said before, I`m buying a desktop not a laptop.
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05/29/2014 12:31 pm
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Try and find B with a better processor.
With B you'd get 40+ FPS
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05/29/2014 12:27 pm
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[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6Kjdxr) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6Kjdxr/by_merchant/) / [Benchmarks](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6Kjdxr/benchmarks/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD Athlon II X2 260 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-adx260ock23gm) | $42.55 @ Mwave
**CPU Cooler** | [Cooler Master DK9-7G52A-0L-GP 27.1 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-mas ... 97g52a0lgp) | $12.98 @ Newegg
**Motherboard** | [Zotac GF6100-F-E Micro ATX AM3 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zotac-motherboard-gf6100fe) | $48.62 @ Amazon
**Memory** | [Kingston Fury Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-hx316c10f4) | $32.99 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-di ... wd3200aajs) | $37.48 @ Amazon
**Video Card** | [MSI GeForce GT 610 1GB Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video- ... gtmd1gd3lp) | $42.01 @ Mwave
**Case** | [Thermaltake Urban S1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/thermaltak ... a800m1nn00) | $39.26 @ NCIX US
**Power Supply** | [CoolMax 300W ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/coolmax-power-supply-ca300) | $20.99 @ Newegg
**Operating System** | [Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-gfc02050) | $89.98 @ OutletPC
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $366.86
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-29 12:26 EDT-0400 |

NOTE: This computer will NOT play high end games on high maybe low graphics on 30 fps, also the OS can be bought from softwareswap, if you find a reliable seller.
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06/01/2014 6:14 am
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It seems good enough, except the CPU. I`m getting AMD A6 instead.
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05/29/2014 12:01 pm
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I will get a build for you in a few minutes.
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05/29/2014 10:52 am
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VeryMadCrafterI changed my mind. If a laptop is really that bad, I'm getting a desktop. Any suggestions on what good pc can I buy for under €300?

Every single person who said to stop talking about desktops can now apologize. We are glad you have changed your mind.
A build will be coming your way shortly.
Replace the unbold text with your answers.
What is this computer going to be used for?
Minecraft
A couple of other more or less demanding games
Internet stuff
School work

What is your budget?
Around 300 euros.
Where do you live? If in the US, do you have a nearby Microcenter?
Baltic states. There are many shops I can order from.
What is included in the budget?
Tower.
Will you be overclocking?
Most likely no.
Will you be reusing any parts?
No.
What OS do you want?
I want Windows 7. Sadly i haven`t got a copy.
Any specific case preferences?
I prefer black. The size can`t be too big tho.
Any other special features that you want in the build?
500 gb HDD will be enough for me. 4 or more GB of ram. Also I prefer AMD processors breacuse they`re cheaper. WiFi-no.
#Cat'n'Toad
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05/23/2014 3:45 pm
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Build. Don't buy.
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05/23/2014 3:37 pm
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05/23/2014 3:08 pm
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I changed my mind. If a laptop is really that bad, I'm getting a desktop. Any suggestions on what good pc can I buy for under €300?
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05/23/2014 3:41 pm
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Every single person who said to stop talking about desktops can now apologize. We are glad you have changed your mind.
A build will be coming your way shortly.
Replace the unbold text with your answers.
What is this computer going to be used for?
List what you will be doing with your computer.
What is your budget?
Include amount and currency.
Where do you live? If in the US, do you have a nearby Microcenter?
Your country lets us know what sites you can order from. If you have a nearby Microcenter they have some great in-store only deals that you can take advantage of.
What is included in the budget?
Things like the tower, the OS, peripherals and monitors.
Will you be overclocking?
Overclocking will require different hardware than a non-overclocking build so we need to know this.
Will you be reusing any parts?
If you are reusing parts list them here.
What OS do you want?
Say which OS you want or say if you already have a copy of one.
Any specific case preferences?
Size, color, etc.
Any other special features that you want in the build?
Stuff like an SSD, large hard drive, RAID, and wifi
#Cat'n'Toad
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05/22/2014 7:41 pm
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I'm more of a Laptop kind of guy for the portability over a Desktop. And hell, if you're gonna play all of those games, why not just buy an Xbox or something?
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05/22/2014 7:28 pm
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Jeez guys, he wants a laptop. Stop suggesting a PC. If he wants to type up emails or projects somewhere I don't think he's going to carry a pc around. Or he could get a tablet or a smartphone or something, but still.

As for the OP, laptops aren't the best for gaming. My laptop runs most games decently, but a low-end desktop is still better than a decent laptop.
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05/22/2014 6:47 pm
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To be honest finding a laptop that allows you to play those games at a good framerate must go over £450. I would go for b if those are your only options but personally i would wait a bit, use the computer you are using now, save up and buy a better one that will run games at a better framerate then both of them combined. Get a gpu nvidia 680 and over. I5 cpu at least and more than 4 gig and you are safe. Getting those on a laptop is obviously more expensive just saying, i preferebly also go for a laptop too
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05/22/2014 6:14 pm
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karrthus1
it actually can only handle up to 4GB ram

from my experience with an 86x OS im running win7 86x and have 6gb ram in my pc it is only letting me use 4gb and from my college course

(you cannot disprove what is sitting in-front of me or what i am being taught by people who have more years of computer experience than you do)

a processor under 2.0ghz is normally a 32bit processor so it can only handle a 86x version of the operating system


Process, not handle. Very different. Don't say handle on an exam when it should be process or the prof could drop your grade.

And it is going to be using 3.2 as you first said.

Yes, 32bit is probably an 86x OS, and can only process 4g at any given second, but that is more than enough for MC, TF2, and most of the games he wanted.

Also, 32b are rare, and becoming more rare. He can find a used Win7 64 for his price.



well lucky im not doing any exams on my course

(i have 32bit my pc cost £150)
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05/22/2014 4:28 pm
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Aethroz
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karrthus1
it actually can only handle up to 4GB ram

from my experience with an 86x OS im running win7 86x and have 6gb ram in my pc it is only letting me use 4gb and from my college course

(you cannot disprove what is sitting in-front of me or what i am being taught by people who have more years of computer experience than you do)

a processor under 2.0ghz is normally a 32bit processor so it can only handle a 86x version of the operating system


Process, not handle. Very different. Don't say handle on an exam when it should be process or the prof could drop your grade.

And it is going to be using 3.2 as you first said.

Yes, 32bit is probably an 86x OS, and can only process 4g at any given second, but that is more than enough for MC, TF2, and most of the games he wanted.

Also, 32b are rare, and becoming more rare. He can find a used Win7 64 for his price.
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05/22/2014 4:24 pm
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karrthus1
a processor under 2.0ghz is normally a 32bit processor so it can only handle a 86x version of the operating system


Hardly anyone still makes 32-bit processors for normal computers, and those who do typically make them for servers IIRC.

Windows 8.1 Pro requires a 1 GHz processor (or better, of course) to function, anyway.
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05/22/2014 4:18 pm
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karrthus1they both have really bad processors

you need at least 2.0ghz processors to even run 64x operating system..with the processors you have selected you can only run a 86x Operating system... 64x is needed for a decent gaming experience as 86x can only recognize and use up to 3.20gb ram...GTA and games like that run better with more ram

where did you hear this from?



In my first post i derp typed in a video length that im wathcing instead of the amount of ram xD


it actually can only handle up to 4GB ram

from my experience with an 86x OS im running win7 86x and have 6gb ram in my pc it is only letting me use 4gb and from my college course

(you cannot disprove what is sitting in-front of me or what i am being taught by people who have more years of computer experience than you do)

a processor under 2.0ghz is normally a 32bit processor so it can only handle a 86x version of the operating system
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05/22/2014 4:06 pm
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Killertoad
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karrthus1they both have really bad processors

you need at least 2.0ghz processors to even run 64x operating system..with the processors you have selected you can only run a 86x Operating system... 64x is needed for a decent gaming experience as 86x can only recognize and use up to 3.20gb ram...GTA and games like that run better with more ram

where did you hear this from?
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05/22/2014 4:00 pm
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Aethroz
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OP:
eBay for a used laptop. Look up minimum specs for whatever game you play the most. Find a laptop that has more than that.
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05/22/2014 3:58 pm
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This pisses me off so badly. He's not asking for a damn desktop. HE OBVIOUSlY STATED "I only want a Laptop". So stop trying to get him to buy a desktop. Uhhhg *KJHL*
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05/22/2014 4:06 pm
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It pisses me off so badly when someone asks for help, so we give more help than what was asked.
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05/22/2014 3:50 pm
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Aethroz
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Laptop vs Desktop

If you move between parents- have each one get you a monitor, keyboard, and mouse.
Build a good desktop, and just move the tower.

If you want to game at your friends- Unless you are having a lan party, play another device. If you are having a lan party, then just take your gear.

If you want to play on the road- No

If you want to play on vacation-No. Take a desktop if 100% necessary.

Desk issue- clear your desk. Tower goes on the ground. You just need space for monitor, keyboard, mouse. Same space as you will need for a laptop.
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05/22/2014 3:47 pm
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VeryMadCrafter
KaevOP haven't you made some threads in the past about your upcoming desktop? What happened to that? Or have you already got it?

Why I wouldn't buy a desktop. I dont want to put it on my desk since I use it for stuff. I haven't really got other place to put it in my room. I only could put it in other room, but I don't like that idea. So, a laptop would be better.


You don't need to put it on your desk. Put it under the desk. Put it beside the desk. Then get a wireless keyboard/mouse and move them when you are doing deskwork, or whatever you wanna call it.
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05/22/2014 3:42 pm
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Karrfis
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they both have really bad processors

you need at least 2.0ghz processors to even run 64x operating system..with the processors you have selected you can only run a 86x Operating system... 64x is needed for a decent gaming experience as 86x can only recognize and use up to 3.20gb ram...GTA and games like that run better with more ram

edit i derp typed in a video length that im watching instead of the amount of ram xD


it actually can only handle up to 4GB ram
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05/22/2014 4:40 pm
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x86 is a instruction set... most PCs are x86. 32 bit and 64 bit versions of x86 exist. x86 is just an instruction set that Intel made.
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05/22/2014 3:37 pm
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You already asked this, and what I can recall you went apesh*t at those telling you a certain laptop will not run what you expect.

As for a laptop, don't. Just...don't.
If you really want this magical gaming goddess of a laptop, £450 will not cut it. It will build a PC though *hint hint* But considering you WANT a laptop, we will go with it.
You will want OVER £1000 for a laptop that you will end up replacing in a few years. So you better start saving.

Now onto why you ''need'' this, why? What is so important that you require a laptop? Do you constantly move house? Do you live in two houses? (If your parents are divorced)
If you don't match the above them you are waaay better off with a desktop. I mean, waaay better.

Think it over before you decide for real.
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05/22/2014 3:30 pm
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Everyone that is complaining about why he is choosing a laptop over a desktop, just shut up. There are lots of reasons someone might want a laptop over a desktop, and you shouldn't be yelling at them because of that.
I can tell you that I am personally looking to buy a laptop later this year, because for one thing I already have a couple of desktops, plus I move around my house a lot, and I go between different people's houses where having my own computer can come in handy.

With the choice of which one is better, not quite sure. Sorry 'bout that.
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05/22/2014 3:39 pm
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Killertoad
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It's called trying to help. And can you carry a Xbox to your friends house? If so (which I know is a yes) then you can carry a miniATX computer. They take up less room than a laptop.

P.S. Even if you do switch houses a lot, a miniATX PC will do just fine.
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05/22/2014 6:52 pm
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deathcrest5
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Dont forget the screen, the mouse, the keyboard, the sound system, some other peripherals you might own
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05/22/2014 7:15 pm
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Killertoad
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The friends most likely have a TV.... Mouse/keyboard will fit in the bag, just like controllers(and same if you bring a laptop?) and sound system? Why not use the monitor or tv's speakers?....
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05/22/2014 2:52 pm
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Both will run GTA 4 at 10 fps best case.

Daniel
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05/22/2014 2:57 pm
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VeryMadCrafter
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You can't know alot of computers. The second one is better, so it would run it much better than that.
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