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10/11/2016 10:58 pm
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I am using Minecraft 1.8.9 and have been getting less than 20 fps on both minimum graphics settings and maximum graphics settings. Both on singleplayer and multiplayer. I have tried using Optifine and not using Optifine. Performance is slightly better with Optifine. My Minecraft installation is heavily modded with about 40 mods. I removed the mods and still have very low frame rates. I have reinstalled Java and updated graphics drivers. Massive amounts of memory are used.

System Specifications:

Processors: 2x Intel Xeon E5-2695v2
Graphics Card: AMD Radeon R9 390X
Installed Memory: 64 GB

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10/11/2016 8:50 pm
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its not the amount of cores you have, its how fast they run also having more ram allocated to mc makes the cpu work even harder, never use more than what you need, or not enough in some cases
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10/09/2016 7:59 pm
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It turns out Java has issues when it comes to NUMA memory nodes. Java does not work well with ECC memory and multiple CPUs.
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10/11/2016 10:58 pm
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Must be an exclusively client-side thing. The server doesn't have that kind of issue as far as I can tell. My server used to run on a pair of Xeon 5160's and 16GB of ECC RAM, and did not experience excessive RAM usage or abnormally low performance.
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07/26/2016 8:07 am
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07/25/2016 8:58 pm
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RAM usage is high but that is not a problem. The FPS is around 70 on maximum settings in most parts of the world. There are serious frame drops in some parts of the world. So the problem with the Java Runtime has been solved. It seems another contributor to frame drops is the corrupted chunks.
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07/24/2016 10:26 am
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Anyway, I deleted the runtime folder and performance is much better in most areas of the map. I ran systeminfo.bat and after a few seconds the command prompt just disappeared.

Is the RAM usage back in check?
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07/23/2016 9:18 pm
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jtrent238
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Try and run systeminfo.bat and tell us your full computer specs.

@echo off
cls
start %SystemRoot%\system32\systeminfo.exe -export
start %SystemRoot%\System32\java.exe
start %SystemRoot%\System32\javaw.exe
start %SystemRoot%\System32\msinfo32.exe
cls

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07/23/2016 7:36 pm
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My friend had the same issue what I did for him was delete the .minecraft directory and switch to minecraft.jar instead of the new .exe and it completely fixed his issues i'm not exactly what happens but to me it seems to do with how the .exe handles things
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07/23/2016 1:23 pm
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Leeberator
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Exeviumlook at CPU usage



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07/23/2016 12:56 pm
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Exevium
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Xeons for gaming? That's either you overdoing it, or you trying to be cheap. Either way, I'd look at CPU usage...
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07/24/2016 6:44 am
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If I was cheap I wouldn't spend this much money on a PC. This PC is not just used for Minecraft. It is also used as a file server, virtualization, software development, and 3D rendering.
Anyway, I deleted the runtime folder and performance is much better in most areas of the map. I ran systeminfo.bat and after a few seconds the command prompt just disappeared.
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07/22/2016 2:38 am
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I ran malware scans with both MalwareBytes and Windows Defender. The dual-CPU setup is not the problem. When I first installed the second CPU Minecraft ran very well. A few weeks after something changed. A few days ago I doubled the RAM to 128 GB. This world runs just fine on the server which only has 16 GB of RAM but still has two processors. I will have to backup worlds and resource packs and then delete the whole .minecraft directory.
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07/23/2016 11:37 am
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Leeberator
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Did deleting Minecraft's runtime help at all?
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07/20/2016 6:25 pm
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Try re-installing minecraft. It could have damaged it beyond repair, as the reason of re-installation
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07/20/2016 6:15 pm
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You should try this: DataRam https://www.e-junkie.com/ecom/gb.php?cl=176068&c=ib&aff=314693


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07/20/2016 6:13 pm
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jtrent238
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Malseoptimize your BIOS

That means nothing.

OP, a mod may be leaking memory, trial and error it until you find the offending mod.


He said it still does it without mods
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07/20/2016 5:28 pm
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Leeberator
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avronaI have 6GhZ

No, you don't.
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07/20/2016 12:25 pm
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avrona
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I'm guessing your PC just isn't good enough to run Minecraft. My Minecraft sometimes lags and I have 6GhZ and 16GB RAM.
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07/22/2016 9:08 pm
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TheCherryKing
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Did you even read the first post?!?!? I have top of the line hardware.
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07/20/2016 12:38 pm
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My Core 2 duo MacBook runs better than what he's getting.

I don't think that's his problem.
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07/20/2016 12:10 pm
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Malseoptimize your BIOS

That means nothing.

OP, a mod may be leaking memory, trial and error it until you find the offending mod.
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07/20/2016 9:48 am
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07/20/2016 7:40 am
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System Specifications:

Processors: 2x Intel Xeon E5-2695v2
Graphics Card: AMD Radeon R9 390X
Installed Memory: 64 GB

WHAT!?

Anyways, check:
- java version
- minecraft version
- graphics drivers (done?)
- catalyst control center
- ram sticks (important)
- both processors
- hard drive
- registry

if not, try:
- reinstall minecraft
- reinstall java
- optifine. it works! (I read the post, just keep using it.)

What would be the case:
Set the max ram usage in the profile editor. 8g is all you need max to play Minecraft, and all you really need is 4g.

As the previous user said, also try malware scanning. It could also be a major break in your performance
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07/19/2016 10:52 pm
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TheCherryKing
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I will reinstall the runtime. @jtrent238 Does your launcher support loading forge?
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07/20/2016 1:41 pm
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Yes
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07/19/2016 6:08 pm
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TheCherryKingI am using Minecraft 1.8.9 and have been getting less than 20 fps on both minimum graphics settings and maximum graphics settings. Both on singleplayer and multiplayer. I have tried using Optifine and not using Optifine. Performance is slightly better with Optifine. My Minecraft installation is heavily modded with about 40 mods. I removed the mods and still have very low frame rates. I have reinstalled Java and updated graphics drivers. Massive amounts of memory are used.

System Specifications:

Processors: 2x Intel Xeon E5-2695v2
Graphics Card: AMD Radeon R9 390X
Installed Memory: 64 GB

https://flic.kr/p/JUD7jX
https://flic.kr/p/HYf3ZP
https://flic.kr/p/JKqWC7


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07/19/2016 6:02 pm
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jtrent238
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Im happy to get 10 FPS lol
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07/19/2016 9:39 pm
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Killertoad
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Cool? Not sure what your input has to do with anything.

jtrent238

You could also try my launcher.
http://bit.ly/dontclickhislink

The issue isn't that he can't run it, it's something not working right. Also why did you use a link shortener, as well as one to make you money? That's not cool
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07/19/2016 6:42 am
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The RAM usage isn't an issue. The issue is the lag spikes and frame drops in certain chunks. By the way I have upgraded the memory. System Specifications are as follows:
Processors: 2x Intel Xeon E5-2695v2
Graphics Card: AMD Radeon R9 390X
Installed Memory: 128 GB DDR3 1866 MHz

Minecraft just doesn't give up hogging memory. I will have to test each mod one by one to see which one has a memory leak. Also the map is 2.3 GB.

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07/19/2016 5:27 pm
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Leeberator
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I can tell you straight away that the RAM usage is very likely a symptom of the issue.

Have you reinstalled Minecraft's Java runtime, i.e. deleted it and ran Minecraft to redownload it?
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07/18/2016 3:26 am
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star_weaver
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yea id say lower the maximum ram
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07/19/2016 7:02 am
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TheCherryKing
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How would that improve performance?
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07/19/2016 11:09 am
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Killertoad
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Giving too much ram to Minecraft can limit what Windows can use, and will hurt performance, by a lot. But that doesn't seem to be your case, since you have so much ram. Not really sure what the problem is, unless for some reason Minecraft and Java aren't playing well with your dual CPU setup.
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07/20/2016 7:42 am
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LacherZz
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As this user said, another problem could be Java having problems with your dual-cpu setup.

Then and again, it's true that Minecraft has sloppy code. Un-thankfully, using Java too.
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07/18/2016 3:18 am
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TheCherryKing
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This is not an old PC. Plays.tv is not in the task manager even in the details tab.
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07/17/2016 4:50 pm
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SyNcmE
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You must be running an old dedicated machine as a PC. In task manager close a program called plays.tv. This program has been recently causing problems with minecraft. You can also allocate less ram to minecraft. 1 to 2gb recommended.

Plays.tv is bundled togather with AMD GPU Drivers. So its installed automatically and causes problems without knowing.
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07/16/2016 10:07 am
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I have been the same way ever since 1.8 i lag everywhere, and i know its not my pc cuz i can play ark on mid settings
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07/16/2016 4:36 am
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TheCherryKing
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I did not use the .msi installer. I have not noticed any performance differences with or without Java installed.
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07/16/2016 9:49 am
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Leeberator
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If it ran without Java installed on your computer, then it is using its own runtime it downloaded to the same folder as the executable. Delete the runtime folder and relaunch Minecraft.
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07/15/2016 5:51 pm
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Leeberator
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TheCherryKingMinecraft won't even load with less the 8 GB of RAM.

Something is seriously wrong with your Java installation. Minecraft will launch with 128MB of memory allocated. It's playable with 512MB and up. Source: my own testing.

Did you install Minecraft using the new .MSI installer? If so, go into C:\Program Files (x86)\Minecraft and delete the runtime folder. That will force Minecraft to redownload the Java runtime it uses.

If you installed the version of Minecraft that requires Java to already be installed to run, Uninstall all versions of Java from the Control Panel and reinstall the latest version of the Java 8 JRE (or JDK if you code).
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07/15/2016 7:15 am
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Halorules555
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Isn't this what you call a memory leak?
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07/15/2016 5:44 am
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TheCherryKing
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Full Malware scans were ran and there were no problems. I have created a new directory and started over and only gotten slightly better performance. Minecraft won't even load with less the 8 GB of RAM.
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07/14/2016 3:16 pm
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Like posted before....

1) Run a malware scan. You'd be surprised what can cause problems.
2) Make a clean installation of Minecraft (yes, this means remove everything). Be sure to backup any worlds, resource packs, and screenshots you may want. Then simple delete your Minecraft directory and start fresh.
3) Decrease the amount of RAM you allocate to Minecraft (down to 1 or 2GB, no more).
4) Run a Memory Diagnostic - open a command prompt and enter mdsched. This will check your installed RAM for problems, restart your PC, and then show you if there are issues + possible fixes.
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07/14/2016 1:20 am
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TheCherryKing
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If you are not going to help then just leave.
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07/14/2016 7:51 am
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Leeberator
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If you post a thread asking for help and do not accept the help that is given to you, I don't see why people should stay.

Serious question - did you run a malware scan?
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07/12/2016 12:15 am
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TheCherryKing
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The GPU may be damaged but why would it only affect Minecraft? Anyways the problem has been somewhat solved. I have created a new profile in the launcher and put it under a different directory. I have installed all the mods, resourcepacks, and maps. The FPS is much higher in some parts of the map(around 70 FPS). In some chunks the FPS is still very low.
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07/12/2016 6:06 pm
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Leeberator
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I, for one, will not be offering any more support until you have tried the solutions previously offered.
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07/10/2016 12:33 pm
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RogueHax
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There's a high chance that you may have a damaged gpu, get a new one
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07/10/2016 1:11 pm
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Leeberator
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This is also a possibility. The GPU could be a lemon whose issues haven't surfaced until now.
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07/09/2016 10:01 pm
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TheCherryKing
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I have allocated only 4 GB to Minecraft and it fails to start. It runs out of memory before it hits the title screen. I have no need to close any background applications because there is plenty of RAM and CPU power in this machine. These low framerates weren't always a problem. A few weeks ago I was able to get over 300 FPS. Now I get less than 30. I have tried this installation with another machine (Intel Core i7 4650U/8 GB RAM) and the framerates are around 48 FPS and 6 GB of memory is used. Note the world I am playing on is 2.3 GB.
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