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'The Incident'

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avatar HerbertDiesel
Retired Moderator
Level 39 : Artisan Nerd
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Before I begin my story I want you all to know that this is a True story and the names of those involved have been changed for their... lets say.... comfort. My memory has faded a bit since this has happened so all of the facts might not be 100% but this is how I remember it going down.

This o incidento happened quite a while ago now and was back when I was still a NOOB at being an admin. I didno t even have rules posted up at spawn... Instead whenever someone would join my server for the first time I would verbally tell them, o My only rule is NO GRIEFING. So leave other peoples stuff alone.o Which in my mind meant dono t intentionally tear down or otherwise blow up other peoples stuff. Simple enough... On another note, my server was also set up as a PvP server so people could have friendly duels if they wished.

"The Incident"

One fateful evening a close friend of mine, lets call him "Walter," was working on a tower to expand the reach of his estate. When he noticed death messages kept popping up because two other players kept killing each other back and forth over and over again. Lets call these two players o Bandito and o Smokeyo ... o Are you guys PvPing?o Walter Asked. o Nope weo re just messing aroundo they responded. Then Walter said, o So you guys are afraid Io d win.o and he continued building his tower.
As the sun was beginning to set, Walter noticed that Bandit was climbing the tower that was now nearing completion and when he got to the top he threw a poison potion at Waltero s feet and jumped off into a pool of water below and began running home...

At this point I feel that I should explain that I o Herberto was watching all of this go down as it happened. I was even physically sitting in a chair next to Walter at his apartment. (I was kinda in shock to what was happening and didno t tell either party to stop what they were doing.)

The moment Walter was poisoned, he started RAGING. He too jumped off the top of the tower in an effort to chase after Bandit and enact his revenge. Unfortunately when he jumped off he missed the water below and hit the sandy shore, breaking his legs and losing nearly all of his hearts. He lost the rest of his hearts due to the poison, except for the last ½ heart because poison wono t o killo you completely. I o Herberto then said, o Dono t chase him... it is practically nighttime and you will get shot by a skeleton and die. Stay in your tower where it is safe till morningo My warning was ignored... and as I predicted he was almost immediately shot and killed by a skeleton.

Now the rage was growing even more within Walter. He re-spawned at his tower because he had last slept in a bed there. He went into the night to try and collect his armor, gear and supplies. Unfortunately since he didno t have armor on he was killed pretty quickly by a mob of mobs. Rage was continuing to build... and he went back out into the night to recollect his belongings. This time he was met by a creeper and it blew up Walter and his remaining swag. Now he was REALLY pissed off.

At this time it was now morning and had no concerns about dieing at the hands of a monster. He went to his house grabbed some TNT and headed towards Bandits house. He walked up to the outside of his house and began digging a hole... Bandit saw what Walter was doing from the safety of the top of his house and threw a poison potion at him as a warning. Walter started to run away but quickly turned back to finish the job. As soon as Walter began placing TNT, Bandit shot a single arrow at him and killed him on the spot and collected the TNT. Luckily he was able to kill him with a single arrow because he was already weakened by the poison.

Now Walter was REALLY Hulking out... and he gathered his best enchanted gear which included diamond armor, a sword and an efficiency pick. Went back over to Bandits house, entered and began demolishing everything in sight... Bandit saw what was happening and also happened to be on Skype with the only other player that was online, Smokey. In an effort to protect Bandito s property... both Smokey and Bandit charged into the house and slaughtered Walter on the spot. This is when Walter finally gave up and decided to stop playing Minecraft altogether. He told me that unless I punish/ban Smokey and Bandit then he is finished with Minecraft for good.

The next day I spoke with Smokey and Bandit and instructed them both NOT to retaliate against Walter and I will fix all damages that were done... They both demanded blood and wanted me to ban Walter for his transgression. I explained that I needed a little time to think about what to do about the incident as a whole. I told Smokey that I did not blame him for jumping into the fight because he was helping protect Bandits property and he was trying to uphold the servers o No Griefingo policy.

By the next time I logged in I noticed that multiple parts of Walters estate had been blown to smithereens and Bandit was the culprit... At this point I too got VERY angry. Now BOTH parties have broken the one unforgivable rule I enacted on my server. I immediately turned off the server until I decided what to do.


Final Conclusions:

Here
was my dilemma... My server was exclusively for close friends and family so I really only had 3-4 o activeo players at the time. If I banned all those that broke my rule I would lose half of my active players. During my deliberation, Walter pointed out that Bandit o technicallyo griefed him first by throwing that first poison potion at him and causing him grief.

I came to the solution that I would not ban either party because I concluded forgiveness was the o besto solution for this incident for two main reasons.

  1. I did not have rules posted anywhere explaining what I considered griefing and what he punishment would be if that rule was broken... I have since then posted rules against harassment, which will result in a temporary ban. I also posted rules against the destruction of someone elseo s property which will result in a permanent ban.
  2. Both parties destroyed each others property. I am a firm believer that you should do to others what you want them to do to you. Putting it into perspective for Minecraft and this situation... If someone throws a poison potion at you... poison them back or at most kill them for the transgression. Dono t elevate the situation by destroying their property and if you do... expect them to destroy your property in return.

I spoke to all parties involved and explained that the prior incident has been forgiven by me. I also explained my reasoning (outlined above) and explained that if something like this happens again... do not retaliate on your own. Let me handle the situation and if anyone destroys someone else's property... the person responsible WILL get banned from this point forward.

After my final ruling was established, all three who were involved in the incident were then pissed at me. Funny how it got turned around onto me because I am the Admin... trying to be as fair as possible to everyone involved and also the only unbiased bystander. Walter then stopped playing Minecraft for a LOOONG time and he even convinced took two other players who were uninvolved in the incident to stop playing as well. Smokey and Bandit continued to play because in their mind the problem voluntarily left.

If you like my story please leave a Diamond and Comment... I'd love to hear what you thought and even what you would have done if you were admin in this situation.
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03/13/2013 9:05 pm
Level 23 : Expert Nerd
Xasparaz
Is this server still around?
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03/13/2013 9:46 pm
Level 39 : Artisan Nerd
HerbertDiesel
Yeah its still around... but its currently full since I have such a crappy computer. :P
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03/13/2013 9:03 pm
Level 23 : Expert Nerd
Xasparaz
Well, This may be a bit old, But I as A server owner/Admin/staffworker on almost every kind of minecraft server you can think of for longer then two years (Played since Indev Which is 3+) I can say I might Have done things a little different. For one I would have stepped in. I would Have prevented your friend from placing the TNT and instead Resolved the problem myself. Moreso the fact that after the problem should have been over "bandit" and "smokey" grefied I would have banned them for breaking policy. While walter tried he did not, And I wouldn't advise you to ban your friend. If he was visibly upset I would have told him to go cool off while you solved it. However. Like prior mentioned. After you left to resolve the problem it should have done with. the fact the other two went ahead and greifed not only broke server rules but also Were disrespecting you as staff. In the sense that you had already tried to resolve things. It's just one of those things. You can't always please everyone. That's why my new server has multiple worlds for separte playing styles. But I only allow that stuff in one world becuase I really don't care for it. However too many people would not join do to that so I have a single world just to prevent fighting with people who just want to play. Creating multi world-ed communities is good for preventing issues. It let's you know what you signed up for. And who can do what when. I think you did a fine job as staff though. Too many servers I've been on or worked with the staff member would have spewed caps,curse-words, and banned all involved and sometimes even those who interrupted their rant.
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03/13/2013 10:03 pm
Level 39 : Artisan Nerd
HerbertDiesel
I agree that I really should have stepped in and spoke up the moment TNT entered the picture. Why I didn't? We were both intoxicated. :P

The problem was that Walter did grief bandits house first. He did it directly with a efficiency pick and that was the first official griefing... I think you missed that part. Smokey only stepped in during Walters griefing in progress to stop him. So Smokey was essentially innocent and only guilty of upholding the server rules.

Bandit retaliated by griefing against Walter because he was griefed against by Walter first...

My final decision was based on eye for an eye... both technically should have been banned. Instead I forgave both and then officially established rules and consequences by adding signs at spawn laying everything out.

Walter is my close friend and Smokey & Bandit are my brothers...

I have been planning on adding a part 2 to this blog post but just haven't gotten around to it yet... summing up at the end of part 2 "Bandit" gets banned.

BTW I really appreciate your comment on this blog post. I always like hearing what others would have done in my shoes.
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03/14/2013 7:33 am
Level 23 : Expert Nerd
Xasparaz
Ah. well, when it comes to family I would get a rollback plugin >:D
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02/20/2013 5:30 pm
Level 15 : Journeyman Engineer
serpent92129
Hey ur the one who told me the thing...
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02/20/2013 11:20 pm
Level 39 : Artisan Nerd
HerbertDiesel
Yes...
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02/18/2013 10:04 am
Level 1 : New Miner
adayrah
i think you are a good admin. and that both should have had at least a temporary ban from the get go. since the rules where not posted. all damaged items should have been rebuilt by the player that destroyed them if bandit blew up Walters stuff he should have to replace it brick by brick and vice versa if walter blew up bandits stuff he should have to rebuild it. and then after posting the rules and someone breaks them again a ban would be necessary. with maybe a way to pay your way back in like in diamonds to the greifed player.
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02/18/2013 10:05 am
Level 1 : New Miner
adayrah
and a part two is needed :) plz do it
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02/18/2013 12:37 pm
Level 39 : Artisan Nerd
HerbertDiesel
I will try and do that soon. I've been pretty busy this past week. :P
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02/18/2013 8:55 am
Level 29 : Expert Spider Rider
jarfox
You're a good admin if it was me it would have been an instant ban for bandit.
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02/18/2013 12:37 pm
Level 39 : Artisan Nerd
HerbertDiesel
Thanks for commenting!
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02/11/2013 3:58 am
Level 4 : Apprentice Miner
ijiwarukishi
awesome cant wait!!!
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02/11/2013 3:46 am
Level 4 : Apprentice Miner
ijiwarukishi
yeah I liked it and was trying to prompt you to make a part II.I enjoyed it alot especially when "walter" broke his legs didn't know about that part. thought it was well written and got both sides in it. cant wait for part II!!!
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02/11/2013 3:56 am
Level 39 : Artisan Nerd
HerbertDiesel
I'll add it as an update to this blog article...
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02/11/2013 1:51 am
Level 4 : Apprentice Miner
ijiwarukishi
verry interesting story has there been any other developments on your server since this. also i think it was handled pretty well for a new admin but could have been done a little better...
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02/11/2013 3:31 am
Level 39 : Artisan Nerd
HerbertDiesel
...says one of the above mentioned "involved" parties.

As far as additional developments... you KNOW what happened. Should I add a "Part II" to finish up the story? I'm leaving it up to you... :P
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