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The Misconception of "Medieval" and "City"

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There are plenty of "medieval" "cities" out there. Only half of them are medieval and the rest are ether fantasy or renaissance. The medieval period lasted from after the fall of Rome (500AD) to the fall of the Ro- er... Byzantium Empire in 1453AD. So what was in this period?

-Castles
-The Vikings.
-The Bulgarians.
-The Byzantines
-The English and French
-Other, miscellaneous European kingdoms.
-Longswords and many other medieval weapons.

Not Medieval:

-Cathedrals and Palaces.
-Coffee
-Firearms.
-Forts.
-Navigation.

I commonly see someones medieval city with a cathedral and/or palace. Cathedrals and Palaces were renaissance and not medieval. Medieval had more basic churches and (my personal favorite) castles. In the 1500's, castles became obsolete and were replaced by palaces and forts. And of course, the introduction of cathedrals. Now that you know the basics of what is and isn't medieval, lets move on to my next point:

Cities! Or not...

Many people made a "city" and made the mistake of calling it that. A lot of "cities" here on PMC are tiny. Like town size. The Absolute minimum population for a city would be about 1500 over a square kilometer (1000 square blocks) and having a downtown area (for the medieval period). I like to measure population in number of beds. A lot of peoples cities look like they have 50 to 100 people (large village) despite their "city" having a "city look and feel". This is badly unrealistic because these "cities" are under supported assuming that they are real. My own Tasvir has a population of about 700, at a guess and a downtown area, putting it at half way to city status, making it a relatively large town. Lastly, though it isn't a requirement, density. Typically, cities will be incredibly dense inside the walls and spread out outside the walls.

I hope this cleared a lot of confusion (or possibly created some along the way) or at least taught you something about history.

Tasvir: www.planetminecraft.com/project/tasvir/
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Seegras
07/07/2015 6:38 am
Level 37 : Artisan Engineer
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You're wrong in several places
- Cathedrals: Mostly built from the 12th century onwards
- Firearms: First cannons and guns used around 1300. First handguns found were from 1326.
- Coffee: Around 1450 they had already coffee-houses in Persia
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ChileanMiner5
07/29/2014 1:55 am
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I don't want to be that guy, but I just figured that to keep you from other people's nit picking, I would inform you that the word is spelled "repetitive". 
Otherwise, good blog.
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AngryChristian
07/29/2014 2:35 am
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Thanks. You made my day.
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ChileanMiner5
07/29/2014 6:36 pm
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Heheh, no problem!
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darkeye932
07/28/2014 1:03 pm
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This is a good post except for the fact that some of it is off by a mile.

In my recent trip to france, cathedrals built between the 11th and 15th century are commonplace throughout all of France. Secondlly, saying that castles arent medieval is like saying that ketchup isnt a condement. Also, cathedrals were not "popularized during the renaissance", I, being a world traveler, have yet to see a cathedral built during the renaissance.

(Also, another little side note, a cathedral doesnt mean a big church, a cathedral is any church where there is a bishop.)
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AngryChristian
07/28/2014 1:18 pm
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First: Saying that castles were not medieval was an error on my part. I ment forts and I don't know I could of said that. Thank you for pointing that out. Second:  "...cathedrals built between the 11th and 15th century...have yet to see a cathedral built during the renaissance." The renaissance was the 1400s through the 1700s. The cathedrels being built in the 15th century were in the renaissance. Lastly, Bishops are part of the Catholic world. There are cathedrals outside of Catholisism. My personal definition is a large church that used flying buttresses.
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Annuminas
05/31/2015 2:31 am
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I do not intend to be rude or offensive, but flying buttresses, navigation, palatial architecture and elaborate churches did exist during the middle ages and was widely used. For example, Salisbury cathedral built from around 1220 to 1320 has a spire of 123m (404ft) and black purbeck marble columns. The conciergerie in Paris was originally the palace of the Kings of France and boasted a great Hall (1200's) that was 64m long and 27m wide. And concerning navigation the German based Hanseatic league (est1358)had connections with towns in the Mediterranean. However I completely agree that most minecraft "medieval cities" are not very authentic in many ways.
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darkeye932
07/28/2014 2:23 pm
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Even thouigh that may be your personal definition of what a cathedral is, here is the Webster's definition of cathedral:

"the principal church of a diocese, with which the bishop is officially associated"

Any church no matter how big or small can be a cathedral as long as that church has a bishop.
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oakley09
07/27/2014 6:48 pm
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This... this is Bern in the picture! :D
Glad to live in a correctly built city xD
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Seegras
07/07/2015 6:41 am
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Guess what: This correctly built city has a Minster: http://www.planetminecraft.com/project/bern-building-series-1---bern-minster/ built in 1421. A minster is of course a cathedral, by its reformed name..
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