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The Misconception of "Medieval" and "City"

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avatar AngryChristian
Level 23 : Expert Artist
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There are plenty of "medieval" "cities" out there. Only half of them are medieval and the rest are ether fantasy or renaissance. The medieval period lasted from after the fall of Rome (500AD) to the fall of the Ro- er... Byzantium Empire in 1453AD. So what was in this period?

-Castles
-The Vikings.
-The Bulgarians.
-The Byzantines
-The English and French
-Other, miscellaneous European kingdoms.
-Longswords and many other medieval weapons.

Not Medieval:

-Cathedrals and Palaces.
-Coffee
-Firearms.
-Forts.
-Navigation.

I commonly see someones medieval city with a cathedral and/or palace. Cathedrals and Palaces were renaissance and not medieval. Medieval had more basic churches and (my personal favorite) castles. In the 1500's, castles became obsolete and were replaced by palaces and forts. And of course, the introduction of cathedrals. Now that you know the basics of what is and isn't medieval, lets move on to my next point:

Cities! Or not...

Many people made a "city" and made the mistake of calling it that. A lot of "cities" here on PMC are tiny. Like town size. The Absolute minimum population for a city would be about 1500 over a square kilometer (1000 square blocks) and having a downtown area (for the medieval period). I like to measure population in number of beds. A lot of peoples cities look like they have 50 to 100 people (large village) despite their "city" having a "city look and feel". This is badly unrealistic because these "cities" are under supported assuming that they are real. My own Tasvir has a population of about 700, at a guess and a downtown area, putting it at half way to city status, making it a relatively large town. Lastly, though it isn't a requirement, density. Typically, cities will be incredibly dense inside the walls and spread out outside the walls.

I hope this cleared a lot of confusion (or possibly created some along the way) or at least taught you something about history.

Tasvir: www.planetminecraft.com/project/tasvir/
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07/07/2015 6:38 am
Level 28 : Expert Engineer
Seegras
You're wrong in several places
- Cathedrals: Mostly built from the 12th century onwards
- Firearms: First cannons and guns used around 1300. First handguns found were from 1326.
- Coffee: Around 1450 they had already coffee-houses in Persia
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07/29/2014 1:55 am
Level 48 : Master Wolf
ChileanMiner5
I don't want to be that guy, but I just figured that to keep you from other people's nit picking, I would inform you that the word is spelled "repetitive". 
Otherwise, good blog.
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07/29/2014 2:35 am
Level 23 : Expert Artist
AngryChristian
Thanks. You made my day.
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07/29/2014 6:36 pm
Level 48 : Master Wolf
ChileanMiner5
Heheh, no problem!
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07/28/2014 1:03 pm
Level 27 : Expert Narwhal
darkeye932
This is a good post except for the fact that some of it is off by a mile.

In my recent trip to france, cathedrals built between the 11th and 15th century are commonplace throughout all of France. Secondlly, saying that castles arent medieval is like saying that ketchup isnt a condement. Also, cathedrals were not "popularized during the renaissance", I, being a world traveler, have yet to see a cathedral built during the renaissance.

(Also, another little side note, a cathedral doesnt mean a big church, a cathedral is any church where there is a bishop.)
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07/28/2014 1:18 pm
Level 23 : Expert Artist
AngryChristian
First: Saying that castles were not medieval was an error on my part. I ment forts and I don't know I could of said that. Thank you for pointing that out. Second:  "...cathedrals built between the 11th and 15th century...have yet to see a cathedral built during the renaissance." The renaissance was the 1400s through the 1700s. The cathedrels being built in the 15th century were in the renaissance. Lastly, Bishops are part of the Catholic world. There are cathedrals outside of Catholisism. My personal definition is a large church that used flying buttresses.
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05/31/2015 2:31 am
Level 26 : Expert Scribe
Annuminas
I do not intend to be rude or offensive, but flying buttresses, navigation, palatial architecture and elaborate churches did exist during the middle ages and was widely used. For example, Salisbury cathedral built from around 1220 to 1320 has a spire of 123m (404ft) and black purbeck marble columns. The conciergerie in Paris was originally the palace of the Kings of France and boasted a great Hall (1200's) that was 64m long and 27m wide. And concerning navigation the German based Hanseatic league (est1358)had connections with towns in the Mediterranean. However I completely agree that most minecraft "medieval cities" are not very authentic in many ways.
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07/28/2014 2:23 pm
Level 27 : Expert Narwhal
darkeye932
Even thouigh that may be your personal definition of what a cathedral is, here is the Webster's definition of cathedral:

"the principal church of a diocese, with which the bishop is officially associated"

Any church no matter how big or small can be a cathedral as long as that church has a bishop.
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07/27/2014 6:48 pm
Level 72 : Legendary Wizard
oakley09
This... this is Bern in the picture! :D
Glad to live in a correctly built city xD
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07/07/2015 6:41 am
Level 28 : Expert Engineer
Seegras
Guess what: This correctly built city has a Minster: http://www.planetminecraft.com/project/bern-building-series-1---bern-minster/ built in 1421. A minster is of course a cathedral, by its reformed name..
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07/07/2015 7:51 am
Level 72 : Legendary Wizard
oakley09
Hey that's my build :D
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07/28/2014 1:04 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
paintsniffer
You're lucky to live in bern dude :)
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07/28/2014 2:03 am
Level 23 : Expert Artist
AngryChristian
Glad I'm not the only one who recognised it.
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07/27/2014 4:32 pm
Level 59 : Grandmaster Architect
Agt_Montag
I would like to disagree with you sir. There are a great number of cathedrals and castles built in the middle ages and leading into the midieval period -

Most notably and specific is the construction of:
Notre Dame, which was complete roughly around 1345AD. 
Salisbury Cathedral, which its main body was completed in 1258AD
Winchester Cathedral which began construction in 1079AD
The Tower of London which is chock-full of dead people and built in 1078AD by William The Conqueror
Palatine Chapel which began construction in 792AD
Windsor Castle which was built in the 11th century by (Guess who) William The Conqueror

Other mentions: Chateau de Loches (French), Fenis Castle (Italian), Saint-Pierre Castle (French), Castle Melfi (Italian), Caernarfon Castle (Welsh)

For more, consider researching:
A list of castles in England, Italy, Scottland, Ireland, France, Germany
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07/28/2014 2:07 am
Level 23 : Expert Artist
AngryChristian
What I ment was that Cathedrals and palaces were popularised in the renaissance. Also, I think that the Tower of London was more of a keep than anything else. Too bad I can't diamond comments.
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07/27/2014 8:26 pm
Level 23 : Expert Scribe
TheThinker
Well said. His original idea is right though, there really are very few medieval builds. It seems that the style of building labeled medieval in the minecraft community is mostly a combination of nordic architecture with some fantasy ideas thrown in.
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07/28/2014 2:08 am
Level 23 : Expert Artist
AngryChristian
Ironicly, the viking age and nordic culture in general was very medieval.
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07/27/2014 4:45 pm
Level 62 : High Grandmaster Architect
NinamanOfficial
^ what he said
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07/27/2014 3:27 pm
Level 5 : Apprentice Explorer
emissaryofinfinity
While I love the fact that someone is making this distinction, I believe anyone who actually cares about the point being made here knows that the people perpetrating probably wouldn't even read a blog like this, let alone apply it to their everyday life. It's the unfortunate state of the world of Minecraft at this point.
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07/27/2014 2:20 pm
Level 33 : Artisan Geek
Skullduggerycain
Very well done. People often misuse the 'medieval' tag on their builds, and I hope this will clarify.
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