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Upvote or Downvote : What to do?

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avatar Cyprezz
Admin / Lead Developer
Level 69 : High Grandmaster Group
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Edit: Downvotes are long gone. Upvotes are now diamonds.

To Upvote or Downvote? Only Upvote? It's a reoccurring suggestion on the site. Most recent thread: Down with the downvote. Despite a seemingly overwhelming support to get rid of them, I'm not convinced the site would be better off.

I'd like to make the distinction that downvotes are useful, trollvotes are not. How many are trollvotes and how many do you just suspect? Why is it unreasonable to receive a downvote?

The suggestion to force feedback during a downvote puzzles me. If a downvote hurts, I think getting a reason for each one will hurt even more. It would draw more attention to them. Feed a troll a reason box and I'd expect an increase, not a decrease in use. Actually, the valid reasons are likely to hurt more than the trolls "opinion". We'd go from FUUUUU to Okay... :( If moderators reviewed reasons, we'd be making judgement calls on peoples opinions... nope, no thx. We have to ignore enough grief in our PM box over removing clearly stolen, inappropriate and remix submissions. I also believe knowing who downvoted our work would give birth to a new breed, Revenge Votes! I think requiring a reason is a complicated solution that in fact would cause more complex problems.

I've personally accepted that I'll inevitably get downvotes on anything I upload. Cyprezz Uploads: "Transforming Nyan Mage Tower of Pork-tarts!" Brace for DOWNVOTE! I know 100% will not like what I do. It's unrealistic. I think if a submission is good, an undeserved downvote will actually prompt others to upvote and offset it. Maybe I'm the only one that does that. In the short run a downvote may seem overpowered, which is why we get 1 upvote from ourself, 1 downvote and you're at 50%. Seems accurate actually, I like it and one person didn't, give it time. A quality submission WILL get more upvotes than down in the long run usually settling in the 75-99% range. I feel an upvote without the down isn't telling the truth and I can't seem to convince myself we'd be better off without them as attractive as knowing 100% will like my work, at least according to the site. I would look at the # of upvotes on my submission and wonder how many downvotes would it have? Would it still have 100%?! That would be quite the accomplishment. Or would it be 75-99% and is that really so bad? Damn percentage eating trolls.

I could code things to auto-detect the ogres based on behavior patterns. Have the system manipulate the vote? It could work... does for other systems. :D Would I only code rules to detect suspicious downvotes or take a look at the upvotes too? Perhaps there are a few patterns that are too extreme to ignore. Maybe we don't auto-adjust the votes but alert mods to investigate? If we block a trollvote do they take their trolling into the comments? WHAT IS THE ANSWER!!? I donno, stop yelling.

I think I'm playing devils advocate because I know if you're here and taking the time to comment, you care about your work and it's hard to understand how a downvote is going to be justified, ever. After all, it's our personal creations, it's art. Please consider the other side of submissions. There is lots of stolen content, 0 effort remixes and troll posts that downvotes not only make sense but help identify them as something that needs to be looked into. It also prevents them from getting popular. No downvotes? Then that obviously inappropriate project, texture pack, ripped skin is 100% liked and can only be upvoted. I think that would look worse than a trollvote issue.

What to do?
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01/19/2015 3:40 pm
Level 58 : Grandmaster Programmer
Luigi888
And that's the problem with downvotes. I have a good idea how else to deal with crappy projects and how to support good, small mapmakers.
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01/15/2015 1:00 am
Level 26 : Expert Blacksmith
StingRay_FTW
I haven't had experience with downvotes,as they were long before my PlanetMinecraft time. I'd say that it was a good idea to remove them. Most people don't get any diamonds as it is, and if they got a downvote they may not come back to their accounts ever again, becase they think no one likes their submission(s) so they find no will to go on if they only get downvotes.
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01/19/2015 3:41 pm
Level 58 : Grandmaster Programmer
Luigi888
But if their submissions are oak planks houses, skyblock copies and parcour maps with 3 goldblocks on a grass superflatwolrd, they should stop spamming PMC and deserve downvotes.
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01/19/2015 4:27 pm
Level 26 : Expert Blacksmith
StingRay_FTW
True, but better just not do anything than made a little kid sad.
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12/24/2014 6:15 pm
Level 31 : Artisan Crafter
Will3crafter
I think it was a good idea to abolish downvotes, because people would be able to dislike everything they see, and annoy people. They could even blackmail others into subsribing to them, so that they wouldn't downvote anymore.
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01/01/2015 12:45 am
Level 46 : Master Lad
sofishticated
It's a shame that people would even do that  :L
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08/08/2014 1:05 pm
Level 15 : Journeyman Pokemon
Burabura13
Upvote!
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04/28/2014 9:17 pm
Level 54 : Grandmaster Fox
Foxy
I never knew there were downvotes before diamonds.

sorta agree with the decision to scrap them though. The negatives they bring far outweigh the positives from what I'm seeing.
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02/10/2014 6:42 pm
Level 32 : Artisan Taco
gam3rguy1028
304th diamond
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02/10/2014 6:41 pm
Level 32 : Artisan Taco
gam3rguy1028
Upvote!
On diamonds!
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01/10/2014 3:16 pm
Level 18 : Journeyman Dragon
Gunoz
In my opinion Downvotes will be abused even with trying to restrict it because people can just make up a reason for Downvoting and the staff would have lots of complaints. Instead of a Downvote there maybe could be a constructive criticism section so people can say what they would recommend what they would change. Then from this you can do the change and update your submission, and then you reply to the comment and see what the player now thinks.

Yes this might seem like the comment section, but people delete bad comments and you mostly don't see anyone saying that there should be fixes. Mostly it is just people saying Go Job!!!

This is just my opinion, please feel free to reply!
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12/25/2013 5:51 am
Level 37 : Artisan Mlem Mlem Bat
Spector
300th Diamond! Woo!!!
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11/20/2013 3:22 pm
Level 1 : New Miner
sarahsandiego
Upvotes can be fixed as well. All you have to do is make up fake accounts/emails with fake ip addresses. So, to have balance you should have downvotes available too. All servers on planet minecraft are too sanitized. Any negative comment about the server usually gets deleted. I think allowing downvotes will make servers who sweep their problems under the rug have some accountability.
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08/17/2013 1:15 pm
Level 30 : Artisan Skinner
Bobo Loco
Go Gladiator!
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08/13/2013 12:05 pm
Level 39 : Artisan Engineer
Strawberrypickle01
The picture was from the movie gladiator! That movie was cool just like this blog post. Good points about votes!
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05/23/2013 12:28 am
Level 28 : Expert Artist
TamashiNeko
I don't know what downvotes were like because I joined 11 months ago, but I think you should add a downvote section and have a reason required, and each reason and downvote gets reported to a moderator to see if its a troll or not, and moderators can delete troll votes. This is only if it is not too much for the moderators.
EDIT: the section for giving bad reviews is a coal.

Or you could add a five star rating button with each comment commented, so each user can choose the amount of stars they think the project needs while commenting.
EXTRA: you could add something that adds up all the stars (ex: if 1 comment has 3 stars and another has 4 that would be seven stars) and divides them by the amount of comments for the mean/average. (that would be 7/2 so the mean/average would be 3.5) and there is a section that shows the mean/average.

Lol, no one reply meanly please, it's just an idea. :(
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11/19/2013 1:30 am
Level 11 : Journeyman Toast
D0G143
That's an awesome idea.
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11/19/2013 10:34 am
Level 28 : Expert Artist
TamashiNeko
Thank you!
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07/27/2013 6:42 pm
Level 43 : Master Nether Knight
TheEvilKittyWizard
I completely agree
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07/27/2013 9:36 pm
Level 28 : Expert Artist
TamashiNeko
Thanks.
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06/28/2013 7:34 pm
Level 36 : Artisan Creeper
CreeperSoul23
Yeah, that should be it.
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07/27/2013 9:37 pm
Level 28 : Expert Artist
TamashiNeko
:D
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07/28/2013 3:02 am
Level 36 : Artisan Creeper
CreeperSoul23
It's a very good reason
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07/28/2013 4:57 pm
Level 28 : Expert Artist
TamashiNeko
Thank you for supporting me. :)
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07/28/2013 5:09 pm
Level 36 : Artisan Creeper
CreeperSoul23
At least haters are good cause they make you know you need more practice LOL
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05/18/2013 3:36 pm
Level 25 : Expert Dragonborn
penge242
keep downvotes!
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05/07/2013 1:02 pm
Level 14 : Journeyman Dragon
MCTheBeast112233
Hmm

Diamonds or Obsidian?
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06/13/2013 7:43 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Architect
DaRealMcCoy
Or Diamonds or Dirt
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06/04/2013 1:14 pm
Level 43 : Master Grump
ModdingMan55
LOL.
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12/10/2013 3:19 pm
Level 9 : Apprentice Explorer
supernotch893
Diamond = upvote
Dirt = downvote
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11/16/2014 10:04 pm
Level 24 : Expert Network
Swag Lord
I think it should be
gold=upvote
deadbush=downvote

I wrote an article on why gold is better than diamonds.
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08/01/2018 2:11 pm
Level 43 : Master Dragon
Iizvullok
More like gold=upvote, dirt=downvote, deadbush=i have no idea what i am doing.
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05/06/2013 9:56 pm
Level 14 : Journeyman Ranger
Endpearl
www.planetminecraft.com/skin/justin-bieber/

Well. This was before down vote was gone.
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05/03/2013 4:09 pm
Level 1 : New Explorer
Zer0_As_A_Number
Give diamonds,or give coal

Witch one?
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04/27/2013 11:27 pm
Level 37 : Artisan Modder
Nbrandwine
Downvotes.
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04/27/2013 9:46 am
Level 47 : Master Zombie
starfighter101
negative diamonds XD
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02/20/2013 1:29 pm
Level 6 : Apprentice Miner
catrcool1122
I wish downvotes still existed... I agree with your points 100%
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04/19/2013 7:57 am
Level 15 : Journeyman Pirate
LordAskelon
So do i.
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02/04/2013 4:37 pm
Level 46 : Master Princess
Whoever01
You have sooo much diamonds
Surprised you have no armour :D
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05/03/2013 11:26 am
Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
_Sir_
+1
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01/19/2013 7:31 pm
Level 25 : Expert Pixel Painter
Cheedles
So THAT's why some things have negative diamonds!
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12/22/2012 8:26 pm
Level 46 : Master Princess
Whoever01
If that pic is you
Nice cloths :D
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12/30/2012 1:45 pm
Level 14 : Journeyman Dragon
Rhinox12
I think the picture is computer generated.
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01/08/2013 9:14 am
Level 53 : Grandmaster Cyborg
TWSSYesterday
It's A Still From The Film 'Gladiator'
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12/14/2012 2:28 pm
Level 28 : Expert Scribe
_DioM_
Downvotes sound to be quite a nice idea. There are many, many half-baked skins, projects, and blogs that call out for them. :P
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12/26/2012 6:31 am
Level 48 : Master Architect
brockblocking
It was too easy for trolls to down vote something over drama on a unrelated event (i.e. drama on a server, now they're hating on your unrelated projects just to get back at you)

They were never a good idea.
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12/26/2012 8:17 am
Level 28 : Expert Scribe
_DioM_
Ah.. Well..
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12/03/2012 8:30 pm
Level 35 : Artisan Narwhal
A554551NAV3NGR
Yeah that was a good idea to remove downvotes
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12/01/2012 10:36 pm
Level 38 : Artisan Ninja
HeroGuy426
Oooooooooooohhhhhhhh, so this must be why I've seen stuff that's a year old and has -12 diamonds. I always wondered how that happened.
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12/01/2012 11:13 pm
Level 69 : High Grandmaster Group
Cyprezz
Yep, once upon a time negative votes were possible. I didn't feel it was right to simply discard them after changing to only positive diamonds, so we do have some submissions with -diamonds today. They are rare. Honestly, I still feel like their should be upvotes and downvotes since realistically not everyone will like what you do no matter who you are or what you are doing in life. But, this is PMC / the internet and you know what, if you don't like something... click on something else. Ultimately, downvotes = food for trolls and I'd rather have everyone getting positive feedback or no feedback than getting negative.
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07/13/2013 2:27 pm
Level 51 : Grandmaster Grump
pistonologist
hi
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