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Who built ocean monuments? (Lore)

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created 10/08/2019 4:28 pm by Makaneek history
last reply 10/15/2019 12:08 pm
I'm convinced that guardians are hive-minded fish that construct enormous hives out of their own shed scales, which they weld together with their laser beams, but I'm interested to see who agrees.

My report on guardians

A video about real ancient fish with some guardian-like qualities
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10/15/2019 11:28 am
Level 23 : Expert Pirate
TheRealBlank512
personally I think an ancient underwater mob that is long since extinct built them. Think about it, the interior of the monument to built with the fact that the temple is full of water in mind(doors with drop offs in large rooms, holes in the ceiling, ect.). And It's clear the guardians are only meant to guard the temple based on their name. and i think they guard it because the temple was made from the scales of their fallen comrades. as for why I think said underwater mob valued gold in a similar manner to how we value diamonds and the gold in the monument was the whole reason they built it. to protect it. hence the mining fatigue that the elder guardians give you and as for why it's protecting so little gold that's because it'll all they could get. How are they supposed to go mining if they can only breath underwater? they didn't. instead they took the gold from the underwater ravines sprinkled through out the oceans and that's all they could ever find and since they could only obtain a very limited amount of gold, 8 blocks would be considered a fortune and worth protecting with life and limb. this is where the guardians come in. they built the temple out of the scales of their fallen comrades which makes them want to guard it out of respect for their fallen. and as a bonus they guard the gold for the ancient mob.
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10/15/2019 12:02 pm
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
I don't think it's necessary to assume the existence of any mob with no direct evidence of its existence. Since guardians are certainly capable of building monuments, why assume some hypothetical mob did? anyway, that's my opinion. I'm open to further debate if you want.
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10/15/2019 12:08 pmhistory
Level 23 : Expert Pirate
TheRealBlank512
The reason i think it's some other mob Is for two reasons: 1 they're called guardians not builders or constructors. and 2 In my opinion I don't think the guardians could have built it. It's too complex for creatures who get their kicks out of killing squids for no reason. also if they did build it why don't they fix the monument when it's broken by the player?
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10/14/2019 11:18 pm
Level 5 : Apprentice Scribe
El Luna De Seus
Another Theory-The guardians abducted us humans and enslaved us-then making us build the ocean monuments
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10/15/2019 9:39 am
Level 32 : Artisan Pokemon
JediJerboa
I considered that possibility as well, as well as the idea of human sacrifice to placate the Guardians.
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10/14/2019 10:04 pm
Level 42 : Master Toast
Hand-E
I have a theory: Minecraft is a 2009 sandbox video game and this shit doesn't matter.



I personally love this theory.
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10/15/2019 11:31 am
Level 26 : Expert Birb
birbo_
makaneek is right but good one
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10/15/2019 8:30 am
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
You are obviously looking for a fight, so I won’t give you one. Please don’t insult my hobby. It is none of your business if what I say matters or not.
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10/14/2019 7:53 pm
Level 5 : Apprentice Scribe
El Luna De Seus
Minecraft was actually originally the real world, made by Us-Until a super savage boi turned us into blocks, which inturn made all of our buildings blocky, unable to cope with this new block world thing, we started to build other buildings, those said structures then started to rot away, and the people still living there became drowns-Duh
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10/14/2019 9:03 pm
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
Interesting...
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10/14/2019 5:17 amhistory
Level 32 : Artisan Pokemon
JediJerboa
The Guardians are well, guardians of their temple. I do not believe that the Guardians made it. However, I believe they were seen as sacred creatures, thus why there is treasure within the temple. As for why the temple is built of scales and tiles, I believe these are shed scales, making them perfect decoration for such a holy place.

What the Guardians are truly guarding is still a mystery. Perhaps they hold the secrets of the ancient civilization locked away, and still defend their temple from intruders.
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10/14/2019 11:04 am
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
While this is technically possible, I find it unlikely for several reasons:
  • The monuments bare absolutely no resemblance to any human-made structure.
  • Monuments can spawn in already loaded chunks, hinting that whoever makes them is still alive and well.
  • There is no real evidence for anyone ever inhabiting the monuments besides guardians and elder guardians.
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10/14/2019 12:14 pmhistory
Level 32 : Artisan Pokemon
JediJerboa
I never said that the ancient civilization was comprised of humans. For all we know, this could be an Atlantis situation.

As for why they appear in already-loaded chunks, I believe the temple opens itself when it senses an intelligent presence. But once they realize you’re not one of their worshippers, well, you best run.


Another thing that should be noted is that it is a temple, a place of worship, not a place of residence. The temple was made for the Guardians to live, not for any worshipper to stay in. Think the Pyramids of Egypt. The pharaoh was seen as a holy figure, so when he died, he was entombed in the pyramid, a place where no mortal could trespass on. These Guardians are sacred creatures. You gave your offerings and prayers and then you left.
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10/14/2019 4:40 pm
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
I'm afraid you're mistaken. It is by no means a temple. That is merely a fabricated name that stuck. The in-game Structure name is Monument which does not mean temple but is defined as a structure built to remember something, not worship something. As to what's being remembered, it could be anything, but I take it to be Minecraft's version of the prehistoric Devonian period when the sea was filled with Placoderm fish, the guardian's relatives.
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10/14/2019 5:22 pm
Level 32 : Artisan Pokemon
JediJerboa
Monument is a very broad term. Monuments are also made to commemorate certain things. Looking at the definition of monument, a monument is a statue, building, or other structure erected to commemorate a famous or notable person or event.Temples fall under this category. Look at the Sanctuary of Dion in Greece, the site was erected to honor Zeus and the Olympian gods. It can be said that the monument was created for the Guardians to thank them for some sort of deed or their service to the ancient civilization. A home for their saviors, perhaps.
Yet why the Guardians were so honored shall never be known, as the civilization has most probably perished, along with all of its knowledge.
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10/14/2019 5:44 pm
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
But still, there's no evidence anyone but guardians were ever involved with the monument.
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10/14/2019 12:25 am
Level 1 : New Miner
OkCubie
What about both? By this I mean that ancient people figured out how to control the guardians and used them to build the monuments, and when the ancient people disappeared, the guardians were left in a strange stasis, always defending their temples for a people that no longer existed.
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10/14/2019 11:03 am
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
While this is technically possible, I find it unlikely for several reasons:
  • The monuments bare absolutely no resemblance to any human-made structure.
  • Monuments can spawn in already loaded chunks, hinting that whoever makes them is still alive and well.
  • There is no real evidence for anyone ever inhabiting the monuments besides guardians and elder guardians.
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10/14/2019 4:26 pm
Level 1 : New Miner
OkCubie
I thought about the second point, but I didn't include it in the comment.
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10/13/2019 9:53 pm
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
Have a boost, thread of mine!
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10/10/2019 1:50 pm
Level 15 : Journeyman Cake
Ender_N3ptune
i think some sort of other civillization built them with gaurdian scales and they had a way to "tame" them but eventually they lost control of the gaurdians and the gaurdians killed the other race off and inhabited the temples
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10/10/2019 1:55 pm
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
I respectfully disagree, but I'm open to debate.
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10/14/2019 11:26 am
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
While this is technically possible, I find it unlikely for several reasons:
  • The monuments bare absolutely no resemblance to any human-made structure.
  • Monuments can spawn in already loaded chunks, hinting that whoever makes them is still alive and well.
  • There is no real evidence for anyone ever inhabiting the monuments besides guardians and elder guardians.
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10/09/2019 11:21 am
Level 64 : High Grandmaster Hero
Captain_JEK
I don't think guardians would have been able to build temples.
Most likely in my opinion is that the temples were built by other creatures (not necessarily humans though) and guardians later found those temples and settled there for some reason (maybe they were ideal for mating).
Or the temples' creators intentionally breeded guardians and already gave them their name "guardian" because their purpose was to guard the temples.

But guardians themselves lack something they could have moved and precisely stacked blocks of heavy stone (although we don't exactly know how heavy prismarine is, especially underwater) with.
They only possess an "organic ray gun" that as far as I know can't push or pull anything, some spikes and a tail that doesn't look very strong.

So, I think the guardians colonized temples that were built by someone else before.
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10/09/2019 11:41 amhistory
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
I think prismarine has unique properties that reject friction from water, which would explain why tridents throw equally well in water and air AND why guardians can swim so fast with such an awkward body shape. The guardians could lift shed shells with their spikes while a second guardian welded it into place with its beam. But I am interested to know more about who you think built the monuments.
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10/09/2019 12:04 pm
Level 64 : High Grandmaster Hero
Captain_JEK
Lol, the idea with the shards being welded together is great! It makes a lot of sense somehow xD
With this knowledge, that guardians potentially were able to build temples, it could be possible that they built them for their spiritual leader: the elder guardian chilling inside the temple.

As there is no evidence of other creatures having made the temples (it was an assumption made by me because I couldn't imagine how guardians should have made the temples), this so far is the best explanation for why the temples exist and who made them xD
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10/09/2019 12:20 pm
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
Preach it!
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10/09/2019 9:42 amhistory
Level 19 : Journeyman Button Pusher
Abdera Associate
I feel like the answer is in their name: Guardians. I believe that an ancient civilization built the Monuments long ago and made the Guardians to...well...guard them. I mean look at them, the Guardians appear to be made of the same material as the Monuments and we all know that it's definitely not for camouflage.

And if you take into consideration Mat Pat's Wither theory, it not only explains why they're built underwater and even why the Guardians are so aggressive.
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10/09/2019 10:30 amhistory
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
I respectfully disagree. Of course they are made of the same material. guardians drop prismarine shards which I take to be their scales, and there really were prehistoric fish with hard, bone exoskeletons. Wouldn't it be more interesting if the monuments were millions instead of thousands of years old? my theory requires this. as for the name, ancient explorers named them because they guarded the monuments.
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10/09/2019 11:42 amhistory
Level 19 : Journeyman Button Pusher
Abdera Associate
I don't mean to cause any strife, because I believe that in situations like this (where lore is so vague nothing has been officially written for all to see) each person is entitled to an opinion with none of them being inherently wrong or right. With that said, I would to ask a few questions just to see how you might explain them.

Well, how did these fishy creatures make the Dark Prismarine and more importantly, the Sea Lanterns? I can see how you might explain the Dark Prismarine through their constant killing of squids, but how did they make the Sea Lanterns?

Also, why hide the gold (or even have any at all)? Most creatures that possess treasure like to look upon their spoils, but the Guardians have it locked away. Why?

And why keep sponge? Sure, it might be wet now, but why keep it at all?

Finally, I find it a little odd that the Guardians are the only fish-like creature that doesn't require water to live.
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10/09/2019 11:49 amhistory
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
Prismarine crystals, and thus sea lanterns are bioluminescent electric eye crystals from guardians, which they generate the beam with. (I know it's gross but it kind of makes sense.)

Real animals like crows and magpies also hoard shiny objects, and they hide it so people and enemy guardians can't take it as easily.

Sponge? easy. that's their eggs, which take several years to hatch. Drying them kills the embryo inside.

the last one shouldn't exist. mojang should fix that. Perhaps they can store water inside their bodies so they don't suffocate?

and I agree, everyone has the right to an educated opinion.
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10/09/2019 1:46 pm
Level 19 : Journeyman Button Pusher
Abdera Associate
These are all pretty good answers; but I have one last question. Why have underwater lights in the first place? It doesn't look like they need them, so why have them?
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10/09/2019 5:07 pm
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
decoration. over many hundreds of thousands of years, guardians have developed enough rudimentary intelligence to enjoy creating and admiring simple art. That's also why the monuments have so many arches and designs. for creativity's sake.
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10/09/2019 10:40 am
Level 36 : Artisan Slime Tamer
Wildcard_Gamer
Guardians are clearly made of prismarine, and it makes me believe they were built as... 'Guardians' of the monuments...
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10/09/2019 10:53 am
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
obviously they're made of prismarine on the outside but explain why there is no prismarine anywhere except near monuments. I say that prismarine is not a rock, but very strong guardian scales fused together.
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10/09/2019 1:56 pm
Level 42 : Master Archer
LemilasTheElf
My assumption has always been that they were built by people long ago above water, and then they somehow sank or were submerged (sort of like Atlantis). But the ideas people have here are pretty interesting and convincing.

Another interesting thought: If tridents are made of prismarine, where do drowneds get them from? Do they get them from the guardians and ocean monuments, or is there prismarine to be found somewhere else?
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10/09/2019 5:12 pm
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
I think prismarine should be exclusive to monuments, as I imagine it to be forged guardian scales. that said, the ancient humans who built the ocean ruins (but not the monuments) would've hunted their guardian neighbors and made good use of the prismarine, forging it into sophisticated weapons like tridents in a crafting process now lost to the ages.
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10/09/2019 10:13 pm
Level 42 : Master Archer
LemilasTheElf
Yeah, that makes sense. But if the monuments were built by people, then the ocean ruins might be made by the same people. Or maybe by a different group of people who had contact with them through trade or otherwise. Perhaps if crafting tridents was lost to the ages, then prismarine making could also be a forgotten secret, actually made from something else in the Minecraft world.
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10/09/2019 10:37 pmhistory
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
You may be confusing monuments with ruins. Monuments are the large blue ones, and ruins are the sunken villages. I’m saying that monuments were built by the guardians that still live there.
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10/10/2019 1:32 pm
Level 42 : Master Archer
LemilasTheElf
I know the difference between ruins and monuments. I'm just saying that the humans who built the ruins could have been the same people who built the monuments, and that they could have made prismarine by some long-forgotten process of forging or crafting.
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10/10/2019 1:46 pmhistory
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
True, but that wouldn't explain why guardians drop prismarine. I find it very difficult to believe that guardians are golems. And the monuments themselves bare absolutely no resemblance to human architecture. they have no chests, no crafting tables, no workstations on any kind, are impossible to explore without swimming, and they feature an extremely limited range of blocks. I think if humans had built the monuments, they would have been more diverse in construction, especially if they were the same people who built the ruins, which use a much wider variety of blocks known to be accessible to humans.
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10/09/2019 5:52 pm
Level 23 : Expert Button Pusher
047Gaming
I Like The Shedding Scales Idea!!!
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10/09/2019 9:15 pm
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
thanks!
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10/09/2019 11:57 am
Level 31 : Artisan Spider Rider
InfamousArgyle
It wasnt so much people but aquatic humanoid creatures (mermaids???) that built them, in my mind.
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10/09/2019 11:59 am
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
but mermaids are people too!
lol
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10/09/2019 10:39 amhistory
Level 37 : Artisan Fish
CHorse
My personal theory: The guardians built it underwater to evade taxes and for insurance money.
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10/09/2019 10:50 am
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
lol
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10/09/2019 11:40 pm
Level 2 : Apprentice Explorer
TerrariaStardust
I agree with you Makaneek, it seems pretty reasonable that Guardians would have made the Monuments and they could have learned alot from Ancient Humans... Now I know the monuments were implemented in 14w25a, which could mean they have been around for over 14,250,000 years... In my opinion every Minecraft update is an Alternate Dimension.
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10/14/2019 11:30 am
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
I think monuments are Many many millions of years older than humans, and I'm not quite convinced humans could've taught guardians anything, but details, details. Glad you agree!
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10/09/2019 10:34 pm
Level 18 : Journeyman Pirate
Bleyd
Bees
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10/10/2019 12:02 pmhistory
Level 31 : Artisan Loremaster
Makaneek
obviously

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