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So people demand I get people to help me make my game..

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created 07/24/2015 8:07 pm by Jedi
last reply 08/08/2015 1:38 pm
I'm looking for artists, ones who can make very realistic high poly models of cars, guns, buildings, and misc props.

Photorealism is key.

Where should I find some?

If you want to apply you need to show proof of what you can do.
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08/08/2015 1:38 pm
Level 45 : Master Cowboy
Chron
/lock
08/08/2015 1:36 pm
Level 28 : Expert Artist
Jedi
I've found a way to afford to hire a professional artist.

A moderator has been asked to lock the topic.
08/08/2015 3:05 am
Level 25 : Expert Dragon
amazoDog161
Pointless post is pointless: Unity
08/08/2015 2:52 am
Level 40 : Master Mage
Pixel
You can't expect free professional art, models or anything without payment. It's arrogant to think that a paid modeller will come and work for you for nothing, especially if you're "Creating" a game using the most generic engine and offering nothing in return. You didn't even say that they'd get credited for their work.
08/08/2015 12:55 am
Level 34 : Artisan Droid
youngnill
That's pathetic come on. just take him he's offering help and you're gonna be picky. It'll give you a general concept of the game and people can see legit evidence of the game progression. I can see why you're last thread got locked.
08/08/2015 2:44 am
Level 25 : Expert Dragon
amazoDog161
This. This. This. Jedi read. Read. Read. Read.
08/07/2015 7:45 pm
Level 12 : Journeyman Explorer
53MP3RF1
Jedi
I have 90% of the mechanics finished, but without an artist I have NOTHING to show to people. Which is why I can't do a kickstarter/indiegogo.


Whoops, sorry to have taken such a long time to respond on this.

Jedi
GuyThatHasNoLifei didnt read the article but i found it http://www.pcworld.com/article/2017328/ ... cheap.html

I don't need a graphics designer, I need a modeller.

Thanks anyway tho.


First of all, get your team's titles straight. You need an artist to show people things but your need a model-maker, not a graphics designer?

serdarminecraft
Jedi
serdarminecraftSoo im not hired?
:/

While your art style is unique, its not exactly what I'm looking for.


Obviously someone is willing to work with you, either for less of a price than normal or for a stake in the game once it is finished. However, your being so picky makes me think the game will never get off the ground because you're looking for the "perfect model-maker" or the "best graphics designer".

JediWell this got quiet..


Yes, it got very quiet. As others have pointed out, the majority of the reason for that is because you've:
A) turned down resources others have provided you, content in believing some miracle person will come along with a free resource of graphics designers, model-makers, and other highly-skilled people that will do your bidding,
or B) ignored people who were willing to help you make your game, who may have been inexperienced or not as good as professionals but were in it for the satisfaction of making something, the learning experience, or a stake in the game when it is released.

Regardless of this, I still can't see why you can't just make some very bad-looking models etc. so you can show off the actual game, and then figure out some better options once you can get some cashflow from a Kickstarter or IndieGoGo.
08/07/2015 4:01 am
Level 18 : Journeyman Warrior
serdarminecraft
btw the models i made, the photorealisim isnt about art. Its about the lighting and graphics of the game, i make models not stunning lighting effects and stunning graphical textures.
08/08/2015 12:42 am
Level 28 : Expert Artist
Jedi
I don't mean to be rude but..

No matter how good the lighting and textures are.. It won't change the fact that it isn't shaped like any car I've ever seen in real life.
08/07/2015 8:49 am
Level 25 : Expert Artist
Creatable
Ugh... Partially that's the truth. But if were to pop a fancy texture onto one of your models, because they are low poly it would look awfully weird, I do understand where you are coming from.
08/07/2015 2:16 pm
Level 18 : Journeyman Warrior
serdarminecraft
My models arent low poly
08/07/2015 2:17 pm
Level 24 : Expert Lumberjack
Alva
Yeah that's not low poly at all. Jedi just likes to criticize people and be arrogant
08/07/2015 7:31 pm
Level 26 : Expert Princess
Snowyfox
I don't really think that's the case. Relax.

I personally understand what they meant by "low poly", but I do agree that it's not low poly at all. It just has a certain simpler look, but that can help in many cases, so, can't really complain or praise or give any comments in general.
08/07/2015 8:01 pm
Level 24 : Expert Lumberjack
Alva
I admit I'm being slightly biased but if you saw his other post and how he handled suggestions you'd agree with me
08/07/2015 3:52 am
Level 25 : Expert Dragon
amazoDog161
BennyBoy1803Hey there, I'm in fact a builder trying for a job in the building community. I can build a range of Amassing buildings, walls, vehicles and loads more. I use a contrast of colours and blocks to make the builders look atractive. I have lately been working on a lobby lately with no mods or cheats. It was built on a super flat world with no help. It took me around 4'hours to build . I'm gonna start working on a small Morden city soon and would to build it on your server. I'll work FOR FREE!!!

This is not buildings for a server, or anything in minecraft for that matter. Jedi is recruiting for 3D modelers for his game.

Anyway, back on topic. Can you build a car on a huge scale, almost looking realistic? Then you could use Mineways to export it to an OBJ file.
That *might* be abled to help OP, but idk how realistic he wants it...
08/07/2015 3:38 am
Level 1 : New Miner
BennyBoy1803
-snip-
08/07/2015 1:04 am
Level 25 : Expert Artist
Creatable
If you need a team so bad, have you tried getting a few buddies together and teaching them the basics, might be difficult at first but if a teams required its an alternative. Another idea is checking around on some forums for some people, PMC might not be the best but there are hundred of game dev forums you can find.
08/07/2015 12:42 am
Level 37 : Artisan Taco
Rice
Jedi
Also I can't afford to pay AT ALL.


If you cant even pay anything at all to hire people for a team, then you wont have a team.

If you dont have a team, this game wont work

i think we all know where this is heading
08/06/2015 11:26 pm
Level 28 : Expert Artist
Jedi
Well this got quiet..
08/06/2015 11:42 pm
Level 24 : Expert Lumberjack
Alva
Maybe because you denied every suggestion of people that tried to model for you, and ignored every post of people that took the time to type out paragraphs of information to help you.
07/31/2015 5:14 pm
Level 28 : Expert Artist
Jedi
53MP3RF1
Jedi
You are aware most Americans make less then $10 an hour right?

Also I can't afford to pay AT ALL.


You are aware that the people making less than $10 an hour are doing unskilled work (e.g. working at a fast food place, being a server at a restaurant, etc.) for the most part? Any skilled profession (e.g. construction, design, etc.) makes a lot more than that. I know someone who, as an apprentice of a woodworking company, made something like $24 an hour. It's skilled labor that drives the economy of countries, and for good reason.

Also, as MissMarifire said:

MissMarifire
You're assuming professional artists, 2d and 3d, are willing to work for you from the get-go for free. This is nigh impossible, if not downright impossible, as freelance work is usually measured by how many hours it takes for them to make what you need. Plus, professional artists have lives, some families, that they need to support, which is supported by the jobs they do, and usually that means if you don't have the money, they won't work for you. This isn't being "cruel" or "a horrible person", it's a business, and in order to get the service you need you have to pay money. Yes, as a game designer you need resources for your game. However, if you are not willing to pay the money to get what you need, obviously you're not going to get the resources. For now, you would be better off either saving the money to hire a professional to make you art for your game, hire someone to make low-poly models for your game (You never know, I have seen low-poly indie games work out very well compared to "photorealistic" games), or make your own models.


For now, I would focus on creating your game and its mechanics. Don't worry so much about texturing or modeling, just create basic shapes. If you can get to the point where it's feasible to hire someone to texture and model for you, go for it. Once you've made significant progress on the game mechanically, I would even suggest starting an IndieGoGo fundraiser or something, so you can acquire the money needed to hire a designer.

I have 90% of the mechanics finished, but without an artist I have NOTHING to show to people. Which is why I can't do a kickstarter/indiegogo.
07/28/2015 2:34 pm
Level 17 : Journeyman Network
Ren3DM
found a website of artists, designers that you can hire :
07/28/2015 4:07 pm
Level 28 : Expert Artist
Jedi
I can't afford to pay $20-$60 an hour.
07/28/2015 4:12 pm
Level 17 : Journeyman Network
Ren3DM
i found someone for like 10 bucks an hour but you can probably negotiate with them
07/28/2015 10:51 pm
Level 28 : Expert Artist
Jedi
You are aware most Americans make less then $10 an hour right?

Also I can't afford to pay AT ALL.
07/30/2015 11:18 pm
Level 12 : Journeyman Explorer
53MP3RF1
You are aware that the people making less than $10 an hour are doing unskilled work (e.g. working at a fast food place, being a server at a restaurant, etc.) for the most part? Any skilled profession (e.g. construction, design, etc.) makes a lot more than that. I know someone who, as an apprentice of a woodworking company, made something like $24 an hour. It's skilled labor that drives the economy of countries, and for good reason.

Also, as MissMarifire said:

MissMarifire
You're assuming professional artists, 2d and 3d, are willing to work for you from the get-go for free. This is nigh impossible, if not downright impossible, as freelance work is usually measured by how many hours it takes for them to make what you need. Plus, professional artists have lives, some families, that they need to support, which is supported by the jobs they do, and usually that means if you don't have the money, they won't work for you. This isn't being "cruel" or "a horrible person", it's a business, and in order to get the service you need you have to pay money. Yes, as a game designer you need resources for your game. However, if you are not willing to pay the money to get what you need, obviously you're not going to get the resources. For now, you would be better off either saving the money to hire a professional to make you art for your game, hire someone to make low-poly models for your game (You never know, I have seen low-poly indie games work out very well compared to "photorealistic" games), or make your own models.


For now, I would focus on creating your game and its mechanics. Don't worry so much about texturing or modeling, just create basic shapes. If you can get to the point where it's feasible to hire someone to texture and model for you, go for it. Once you've made significant progress on the game mechanically, I would even suggest starting an IndieGoGo fundraiser or something, so you can acquire the money needed to hire a designer.
07/28/2015 2:22 pm
Level 17 : Journeyman Network
Ren3DM
i didnt read the article but i found it http://www.pcworld.com/article/2017328/ ... cheap.html
07/28/2015 2:25 pm
Level 28 : Expert Artist
Jedi
I don't need a graphics designer, I need a modeller.

Thanks anyway tho.
07/28/2015 2:14 pm
Level 50 : Grandmaster Dragon
Eternal_Edge
Helpful or not, it's against the rules.
07/28/2015 12:42 pm
Level 47 : Master Robot
Doppla
Unity in my opinion offers more with it's asset store and thriving community.
07/28/2015 12:50 pm
Level 32 : Artisan Pixel Painter
Kioki
dont change the topic
07/28/2015 1:48 pm
Level 21 : Expert Network
MissMarifire
Kioki, do not mini-moderate. Leave it to the moderators.

I feel like it's somewhat related, as Unity is a game engine and there was an argument on the thread about it. Personally, I like Unity, it's a very flexible game engine, and I've had my fair share of projects that I've done on Unity. However, this being said, I will not hesitate to lock the topic if any more flaming arises, whether be OP or otherwise, as flaming is not tolerated from anybody, and I certainly won't be hesitant to ban anyone who decides to flame again. This will be the final warning.
07/28/2015 2:02 pm
Level 25 : Expert Dragon
amazoDog161
OK. Istnt mini-modding kinda helpful to you mods anyway? Or not?
07/28/2015 4:38 am
Level 25 : Expert Dragon
amazoDog161
I was going to do some cool stuff with Unreal but I don't have enough space on my hard drive

Also, if you get anyone to make those models, (I'm going to try), make sure that the models are not static. Have wheels, openable windows, seats(if you want them to move), the trunk lid and the lid for the front of the car separate models, then group them up in Unreal, so they're kinda like a single model, but then you can use code or blueprints to move those parts around individually as well, so you can have the wheels spin, openable windows, animations for the trunk and front of the car, & etc.
07/28/2015 2:38 am
Level 18 : Journeyman Warrior
serdarminecraft
Soo im not hired?
:/
07/28/2015 8:40 am
Level 28 : Expert Artist
Jedi
While your art style is unique, its not exactly what I'm looking for.
07/28/2015 3:02 pm
Level 18 : Journeyman Warrior
serdarminecraft
:'(
07/27/2015 6:22 pm
Level 32 : Artisan Pixel Painter
Kioki
I'm so confused...
First you all said (on the other thread) that there are many people who would work for free, but they get some of the profits upon release.

Now you guys are saying he needs to pay someone in order for them to work for him?
07/27/2015 6:47 pm
Level 21 : Expert Network
MissMarifire
Different people responding to different instances. Given the original thread wasn't obliterated off, I myself would've responded about the same as I did in this thread.
07/27/2015 6:07 pm
Level 20 : Expert Artist
Vigri
MissMarifireI feel as if there's multiple problems with this thread.

#1: You're assuming professional artists, 2d and 3d, are willing to work for you from the get-go for free. This is nigh impossible, if not downright impossible, as freelance work is usually measured by how many hours it takes for them to make what you need. Plus, professional artists have lives, some families, that they need to support, which is supported by the jobs they do, and usually that means if you don't have the money, they won't work for you. This isn't being "cruel" or "a horrible person", it's a business, and in order to get the service you need you have to pay money. Yes, as a game designer you need resources for your game. However, if you are not willing to pay the money to get what you need, obviously you're not going to get the resources. For now, you would be better off either saving the money to hire a professional to make you art for your game, hire someone to make low-poly models for your game (You never know, I have seen low-poly indie games work out very well compared to "photorealistic" games), or make your own models.

There are however obviously exceptions to this, such as Yandere Simulator, whereas talented people have volunteered even to this day. However, the developer of Yandere Sim produced a barebones game as a presentation, and the artists of the game liked the concept that the Yandere Sim developer gave to them, and wanted to support him. However, OP on the other hand didn't really have anything to present as his game, so not only will artists be uninterested in making things for your game, but we don't really know anything about the game in mind. You haven't given us anything about your game, whether be information, a test demo, nothing.

#2:
Click to reveal


Basically what this guy said. Your game is extremely early in development, and rushing one part of the game is not the way to go, especially one with such specific art style. You're better off creating a basic version at first, then once you get the money, you can hire someone and develop your game more thoroughly, using better graphics and refined mechanics based on the basic mechanics you previously had.

#3:
SparkzyeDemand? Dude; do whatever you want. No one is going to run you. It can take longer, or shorter. Nevertheless I don't think no one should be "demanding" on how you should make a game, or something else like it.


This. Another example to be used in this situation is The Sims 2, however it is not the fault of the audience but rather the owners of the franchise, EA. Those who know the slightest bit about the development of The Sims 2 could easily tell you this: Near the completion of it's development EA was angry at the Maxis teams for whatever reason they disliked the game, and told them they had to redo it completely (That or the server fire rumor, although iirc it was debunked as false). They were rushed to remaking the entire game, and at its weakest, buggiest stage it had to be released. Was it a commercial failure? No, it's the Sims, it sold far more than the original ever did. However, were the dev teams able to put in everything they wanted into the base game (weather, better meshes/textures, opportunities)? No, absolutely not, and while some elements were implemented via DLC, many weren't, and the dev team did not create the game they could have if they weren't pressured into remaking it so quickly.

As an indie dev you shouldn't feel pressured by other people to "get your game done", in fact, take your time, look things over, take baby steps to develop your game. Play games similar to that of your own to get ideas that you could put in. Let's say, for instance, you want to make a medieval adventure game, with a fully open world and RPG elements. While in development you decide to play, say, Dark Souls. You could pick up the ideas of having a strong enemy AI, or a flexible, vast combat system, or perhaps a harsh, but not downright inhuman punishment for dying. This sort of tactic could be implied into your own game.


Thanks for making my post into a more detailed explanation. But yeah, I totally agree. If you're not said "hiring" someone to do this, as in paying someone. You're not going to get anyone.
07/27/2015 5:52 pm
Level 21 : Expert Network
MissMarifire
I feel as if there's multiple problems with this thread.

#1: You're assuming professional artists, 2d and 3d, are willing to work for you from the get-go for free. This is nigh impossible, if not downright impossible, as freelance work is usually measured by how many hours it takes for them to make what you need. Plus, professional artists have lives, some families, that they need to support, which is supported by the jobs they do, and usually that means if you don't have the money, they won't work for you. This isn't being "cruel" or "a horrible person", it's a business, and in order to get the service you need you have to pay money. Yes, as a game designer you need resources for your game. However, if you are not willing to pay the money to get what you need, obviously you're not going to get the resources. For now, you would be better off either saving the money to hire a professional to make you art for your game, hire someone to make low-poly models for your game (You never know, I have seen low-poly indie games work out very well compared to "photorealistic" games), or make your own models.

There are however obviously exceptions to this, such as Yandere Simulator, whereas talented people have volunteered even to this day. However, the developer of Yandere Sim produced a barebones game as a presentation, and the artists of the game liked the concept that the Yandere Sim developer gave to them, and wanted to support him. However, OP on the other hand didn't really have anything to present as his game, so not only will artists be uninterested in making things for your game, but we don't really know anything about the game in mind. You haven't given us anything about your game, whether be information, a test demo, nothing.

#2:
Click to reveal


Basically what this guy said. Your game is extremely early in development, and rushing one part of the game is not the way to go, especially one with such specific art style. You're better off creating a basic version at first, then once you get the money, you can hire someone and develop your game more thoroughly, using better graphics and refined mechanics based on the basic mechanics you previously had.

#3:
SparkzyeDemand? Dude; do whatever you want. No one is going to run you. It can take longer, or shorter. Nevertheless I don't think no one should be "demanding" on how you should make a game, or something else like it.


This. Another example to be used in this situation is The Sims 2, however it is not the fault of the audience but rather the owners of the franchise, EA. Those who know the slightest bit about the development of The Sims 2 could easily tell you this: Near the completion of it's development EA was angry at the Maxis teams for whatever reason they disliked the game, and told them they had to redo it completely (That or the server fire rumor, although iirc it was debunked as false). They were rushed to remaking the entire game, and at its weakest, buggiest stage it had to be released. Was it a commercial failure? No, it's the Sims, it sold far more than the original ever did. However, were the dev teams able to put in everything they wanted into the base game (weather, better meshes/textures, opportunities)? No, absolutely not, and while some elements were implemented via DLC, many weren't, and the dev team did not create the game they could have if they weren't pressured into remaking it so quickly.

As an indie dev you shouldn't feel pressured by other people to "get your game done", in fact, take your time, look things over, take baby steps to develop your game. Play games similar to that of your own to get ideas that you could put in. Let's say, for instance, you want to make a medieval adventure game, with a fully open world and RPG elements. While in development you decide to play, say, Dark Souls. You could pick up the ideas of having a strong enemy AI, or a flexible, vast combat system, or perhaps a harsh, but not downright inhuman punishment for dying. This sort of tactic could be implied into your own game.
07/27/2015 5:06 pm
Level 20 : Expert Artist
Vigri
Demand? Dude; do whatever you want. No one is going to run you. It can take longer, or shorter. Nevertheless I don't think no one should be "demanding" on how you should make a game, or something else like it.
07/27/2015 2:08 pm
Level 25 : Expert Dragon
amazoDog161
Now, now, now. Let's just say that i sucked at modeling cars and got nowhere and i dont have a result? xD
07/27/2015 8:16 am
Level 18 : Journeyman Warrior
serdarminecraft
By the way, im not good at making materials and textures. So these models will look MUUUUCH better when textured by someone else.
07/27/2015 8:05 am
Level 18 : Journeyman Warrior
serdarminecraft

07/27/2015 12:48 pm
Level 28 : Expert Artist
Jedi
uh...

I'm pretty sure I said the word "Photorealistic" somewhere..
07/27/2015 4:49 pm
Level 18 : Journeyman Warrior
serdarminecraft
Umm, well these models would look much nicer with better textures. Im just not a good texturer. If someone else can texture these it would look much more better.
By the way, I can be better at making small random props like phones, bottles, money, etc. And also some buildings.
07/27/2015 7:57 am
Level 18 : Journeyman Warrior
serdarminecraft
Rendering screenshots. First screenshot of the car rendered.
07/27/2015 7:13 am
Level 25 : Expert Dragon
amazoDog161
Soon at home :3 Anyway, Jedi, I looked up UE4's website, and while it seems like an awesome engine, the main drawback is the 5% royalty. With Unity, you have a free version, but if you make more than 100.000$ a year, you're obliged to upgrade. And the upgrade is a one time fee, but with UE, you pay 5% as long as the game is on the market, and that can get expensive for smaller games. That's my opinion. Although I'd definitely prefer Unreal to make a game, it can get expensive :/ That was just written because I wanted to clear up the annoying Unity VS Unreal flamewar. BOTH are good game engines!
07/27/2015 7:13 pm
Level 48 : Master Modder
minecraftjames222
Actually, you pay 5% royalty if you make sales over 3k. 5% really isn't much for what they gave you.
07/28/2015 4:32 am
Level 25 : Expert Dragon
amazoDog161
K, but still, unity has a better "single-payment" system, BUT they also have different platforms you can build for as paid extras.

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