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Hello.
Now I don't know that much about computers so If I get something wrong please don't laugh at me.

I have a computer with an "Intel Pentium 4 Processor with HT Technology and Celeron D" (from HP)

It had 512MB of DDR2 DIMM RAM and it's got a 40GB loud af HDD and that's all I know about it.

It's a really old computer but I'd like to put some life into it.
I want to use it for school (MS Word) and other pretty light tasks but also I would like to (maybe) play Minecraft on light settings so I bought a few things that are still being shipped:

AMD ATI RADEON HD 3650 Video 512MB GPU
320GB HDD (I have the HDD and it works pretty good.)
2GB RAM

So with the current specs and those things added would it work and be good for just simple tasks and some Minecraft (maybe)? Will it not work with the computer?

BTW it's too late for something else lmao I just want to know if it will work okay. I have a very small budget so that's why I can't get much.
Thanks.
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09/09/2015 10:15 pm
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Well*

I wish I could help but there really isn't anything worth buying that is under $18

As far as I know
I am by no means an expert
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09/10/2015 8:55 pm
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Sold a few things. I am thinking about tossing this one and buying another + upgrading.
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09/09/2015 10:10 pm
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The P4 should let the system boot, but at 84W it might run too hot.
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09/09/2015 10:06 pm
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Initially came with 512MB of RAM and an Intel Celeron D processor. Upgraded to 2GB of RAM w/ a Pentium 4 650 CPU. I didn't get the CPU yet.
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09/09/2015 6:54 pm
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Doesn't support Core 2 duos... Has a very small choice of CPU's I can put in it. I got the Pentium 4 650 which according to a user on the HP forums that it is the best CPU for this computer. I think I'm going to just sell this PC for around $80 because It's now more decent because of the RAM (and soon to be CPU) upgrade and should be pretty usable.
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09/09/2015 9:23 pm
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The Pentium 4 650 is on PLGA775.
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09/09/2015 9:44 pm
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Yeah. After some research I found out that my socket is a LGA775.
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09/09/2015 9:54 pm
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What's your computer model again? I don't want to search through the thread to find it.
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09/09/2015 9:58 pm
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HP DC5100 Small Form Factor (SFF)
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09/03/2015 3:17 pm
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Got the 2GB of RAM in the mail. Made it faster but still pretty slow. I can now even play YouTube videos.
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09/01/2015 7:06 pm
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Like I said, this computer doesn't support that new PCI as it supports the old PCI. It's a very old computer.


Oh right, I forgot you even said that. Ignore the fact that I just posted. It was a fake gpu which I should've noticed in the first place.

Anyway though, to go back to your question, you will probably not find any good gpus worth your money that use the old PCI slot. I would honestly recommend saving your money and getting something better in the future. I cant recommend any gpu that will work with the old PCI slot, because very few of them will give you a noticeable performance increase


Yeah, I actually already started looking into CPU's because I think that will make it better. It's slow af and is basically unusable.
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09/01/2015 7:02 pm
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Like I said, this computer doesn't support that new PCI as it supports the old PCI. It's a very old computer.


Oh right, I forgot you even said that. Ignore the fact that I just posted. It was a fake gpu which I should've noticed in the first place.

Anyway though, to go back to your question, you will probably not find any good gpus worth your money that use the old PCI slot. I would honestly recommend saving your money and getting something better in the future. I cant recommend any gpu that will work with the old PCI slot, because very few of them will give you a noticeable performance increase
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09/01/2015 6:40 pm
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-Woody-If you can save up a little bit more ($65), then I would highly suggest getting the gpu I link at the end of this post, and putting it in the PC you're getting in February. For now, I would just deal with your slow PC because in order for it to perform well, you'd have to basically replace the entire thing.

Anyway, this is a new GTX 680 with a buy-now price of only $65ish. That is one of the best GPU deals I think I've ever seen. (The 680 retails at over $300ish today), and is good enough to run just about any game in 1080p at medium-high settings. I would highly suggest asking your parents or someone to loan you like $50 more to pay for this, because in February I doubt you'll get a deal as good as this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vamery-GTX680-2 ... 1425291032


Like I said, this computer doesn't support that new PCI as it supports the old PCI. It's a very old computer.


HAH! Nobody will loan me 50 bucks lmao.
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09/01/2015 6:36 pm
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Ignore the existence of this post. Please do not click the link I had at the bottom originally.
Forget this post ever even existed, it is quite obviously a fake card, and I should have noticed that.

(Thanks to Namez for pointing that out to me)
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09/01/2015 4:48 pm
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I have no idea, from what i just read it would only work if you have a socket CT-479
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09/01/2015 4:53 pm
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I honestly don't know the exact socket for this computer. I'm almost sure it's 478 because the CPU inside says it is for 478 when I looked it up. Returning 2 things already >.<
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09/01/2015 4:31 pm
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TumblrFoxWell I read in to it more and realized it was socket 479...
Will it work with socket 178 or when I get it do I have to return it.

sockets are a key thing, if a cpu is a certain socket it needs to be that socket, so socket 178 would not work with 479, only sockets i know that are backwards compatible are socket fm2+, am3+ etc, from the amd line


Oops. I mean the CPU I got was 479 and my socket is 478.

The weird thing is the CPU socket has like 'spikes' and the actual bottom of the CPU in there now is flat. Most of the CPU's I have looked at have spikes on them. My current CPU also has a metal plate on the top while the others don't.
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09/01/2015 6:09 am
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TumblrFoxWell I read in to it more and realized it was socket 479...
Will it work with socket 178 or when I get it do I have to return it.

sockets are a key thing, if a cpu is a certain socket it needs to be that socket, so socket 178 would not work with 479, only sockets i know that are backwards compatible are socket fm2+, am3+ etc, from the amd line
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08/31/2015 10:55 pm
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Well I read in to it more and realized it was socket 479...
Will it work with socket 478 or when I get it do I have to return it.
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08/31/2015 10:25 pm
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CaptainMuricaWhat chipset is it? 915GV?

Sorry, I'm a noob when it comes to computers and I'm still learning stuff so by that I think it's a: Intel Core 2 Duo T7500 SLAF8 Processor 2.20GHz

Spec sheet: http://ark.intel.com/products/29761/Int ... 00-MHz-FSB

Keep in mind that this is an old computer and will not support newer things.
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08/31/2015 10:20 pm
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What chipset is it? 915GV? That chipset only supports CPUs with a 533 or 800 MHz FSB. Most Core 2 Duos have 1066 or 1333MHz. Check to make sure you get something that works.
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08/31/2015 10:28 pm
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I just know it's like socket 478 or something so I looked up CPU's that support socket 478.
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08/30/2015 9:03 pm
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whoops... i read the wrong part then... but itll still have issues either way :/
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08/30/2015 9:06 pm
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Yeah. Anything basically to make this thing run Chrome and MS word decent is good enough for me. If you can find a GPU under 18 bucks then I can use it.
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08/30/2015 9:08 pm
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$18 wont get you much good... try saving up a bit and go for the one captainmurica linked... ebay is shady enough you dont know if it still works by the time it gets to you... if the guy isnt a scammer
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08/30/2015 8:59 pm
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It has to be under 18 dollars. I literally can't get anything over 18 dollars.
I'd also want to be on eBay (Unless it can be shipped and is under 18 dollars, but I'd prefer it to be eBay.
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08/30/2015 8:58 pm
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you definitely cant run minecraft, i just looked up your computer specs, and now i know why even chrome lags... http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-compaq-dc5100-pentium-4-640-3-2-512mb-ram-40gb-hdd-windows-xp-pro/specs/ cpu is only 800mhz
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08/30/2015 9:00 pm
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That's the FSB. The CPU frequency is 3.2GHz as stated on the spec sheet you linked.
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08/30/2015 9:01 pm
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CPU Freq. is 2.6 (2.66) GHz

It's the Small Form Factor model.
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08/30/2015 9:00 pm
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Wrong computer.
You need to include "SFF" at the end. Probably the same but..
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08/30/2015 8:56 pm
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This is about as good as you're gonna get:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sparkle-video-card-700042
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08/30/2015 8:56 pm
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Does the old PCI slot have a name? Like when I type GPU in eBay I get the new PCI but I can't find the old slot.
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08/30/2015 8:44 pm
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If someone can find a somewhat decent GPU that supports the old PCI 2.0 32-bit for under 18 bucks that would be great.

But can I replace the CPU? It doesn't look removable but I'm not sure.
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08/30/2015 10:17 pm
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You can, just have to pop the cpu lock lever, and then it'll come on out.

You can replace it, but you're not going to upgrade to anything better. You'd have to replace the motherboard for something better. See if you can return the computer. I saw on ebay (like 30 minutes ago) a system with a core 2 duo e7400 going for $6, just had no HDD. Get that, plus a hdd, and a cheap gpu, and you're good to go.
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08/31/2015 10:09 pm
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So I found a Core 2 Duo CPU that fits the socket. I don't know if I should buy it yet. Will this make it faster? I also have 2GB of RAM also coming through the mail.
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08/30/2015 8:37 pm
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do your pci ports look like the ones on the top or bottom? if its the ones on the top then i dont know of any good graphics cards would fit since its an old pci, if its the one on the bottom then any pcie card should fit

for the bottom one theres a little part that was seperated, which should be bear the back of the computer

has the same connections
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08/30/2015 8:40 pm
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I have the top one and the middle one. Theres 1 of the middle and 2 of the top.
Can't find ANY that fit the PCI slot I have
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08/30/2015 8:19 pm
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And it will make it faster in graphics orientated programs, but for CPU based (Chrome, browsing, etc) it will bog down.

I would recommend selling this computer and trying to find another (like a core 2 duo/quad) desktop, and throwing in a cheap GPU.


This.

One quick thing that you could try on there is to install a Linux distribution. A distribution such as Lubuntu or Puppy Linux, would serve you well, as they do not require much in terms of specifications, and they still should do what you need them to. As for playing Minecraft at all, I really wouldn't recommend it. Having anything more than a few tabs of Firefox or Chrome and possibly LibreOffice open would stress the CPU out a lot. As for the RAM, I would recommend you upgrade that.

However, as Killertoad said, your best bet is to sell the system if at all possible and buy a Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad system.
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08/30/2015 8:19 pm
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Also to clarify I'm just looking on eBay for used GPU's
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08/30/2015 8:12 pm
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18 dollars?
That's not a budget. Honestly, save up dude. You can get a laptop that can run minecraft @ Max Settings 60FPS... for around $200 at BestBuy. You're not going to get anything for $18... (unless you meant $180)

I have an HP Compaq, that I bought for basic tasks because my nice laptop broke (which I now got fixed again...) and it can run Minecraft lowest settings at 13FPS at most.
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08/30/2015 8:17 pm
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I'm not sure if you misread but I don't have 18 dollars for a computer but 18 dollars for a GPU/CPU/etc. I have a main computer that I game with and it's pretty good reaching an avg. 60 FPS but it's a laptop. I'm looking to make this desktop run pretty good for light tasks and not so much Minecraft. Sure, I would like to play Minecraft here and there but it's mostly for school.
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08/30/2015 8:26 pm
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Sorry, I did misread your post.
Did you check out this GPU? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-AMD-Radeon- ... 35ec4cfd13

If this was already posted, I apologize once again.
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08/30/2015 8:31 pm
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That's actually the one I returned lmao. I never actually got it but I can tell by the picture that it won't fit the PCI slot.

Also I have tried Linux distributions, various other OSes but this thing is just slow.

This may sound like a dumb question but is there a way to replace the current CPU?
Like it seems like the CPU I got is like stuck to the motherboard. I can remove the metal cooling thing but the CPU doesn't look like it comes off...

Also, I got 2GB of DDR2 RAM which should be good for now
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08/30/2015 8:08 pm
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its going to have issues with minecraft... does it run windows xp? because it looks like it would... but it wont do minecraft all too well... you can try but expect lag... and a lot of it, also upgrade the ram, minecraft.. or anything will hardly run on 2gb.. try to get at least 4gb, because i think thats the max it can support
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08/30/2015 8:10 pm
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Read my above posts.
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08/30/2015 7:35 pm
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*Update*

So, I canceled the order for the GPU because it doesn't seem like it will fit.

It's a HP Compaq DC5100 SFF btw.

Any suggestions on what I should put in it (That's compatible) that will make it faster? (Other than RAM)

My budget is under 18 dollars...
(I am very tight with money right now.)
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08/30/2015 7:28 pm
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Eh, Pentium 4 isn't really going to be good for it, and neither will a Celeron D.

Is the 2gb ram ddr2?

And tbh no the P4 most likely will not do basic tasks good. Depending on which P4 it is, although majority of them can barely run chrome without lag.
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08/30/2015 7:30 pm
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The 2GB of RAM is DDR2. I don't think it supports DDR3

Won't the GPU make it a bit faster tho? It is slow af right now and can't run Chrome without lag.
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08/30/2015 8:10 pm
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Correct, it doesn't support DDR3, that's why I hoped you didn't purchase ddr3 lol.

And it will make it faster in graphics orientated programs, but for CPU based (Chrome, browsing, etc) it will bog down.

I would recommend selling this computer and trying to find another (like a core 2 duo/quad) desktop, and throwing in a cheap GPU.
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08/30/2015 8:15 pm
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Yeah.. The computer is horrible and will probably sell for like $50. That's how much I got it for. I am getting a decent computer around February so I would like to have something decent for the time now.

I am having trouble finding a GPU... I have 3 expansion slots. PCI Express x1, and just 2 PCI Express slots. I keep getting GPU's that fit PCI Express x16 and that doesn't look like it would fit.

Should I like not get a GPU? I don't know anything about how to remove the CPU as it seems to be like stuck on the board.
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