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A simple question with not a not so simple answer. While many have said that no video games are not art and many more agree, it is still hard to say. While you can look at art as something that progresses and makes a statement about something then yes video games are art. There are plenty of statements....
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skull983398Pykesskull983398On the contrary. The reason why my explanation for the graphical design is more in depth than my other explanations is because those designs are going to be one of the greatest parts of any game. I do understand what you mean, but most people who play games look at the graphics before everything else.
That's still not the point though. No matter how great of graphics you have, the context behind it is what pulls it together. That's what makes video games a very powerful art form.
I understand, but are you saying that new gamers look at the context of the game? The greatest amount of gamers are in the "new" division. They don't play games to enjoy the story. They don't care about the characters. The main reason (in my experience) that new gamers play video games is to simply have fun. It is only once they break the bonds of that division that they ever begin to realize that a video game is more than a simple past-time.
Couldn't have said said it better myself.
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Pykesskull983398On the contrary. The reason why my explanation for the graphical design is more in depth than my other explanations is because those designs are going to be one of the greatest parts of any game. I do understand what you mean, but most people who play games look at the graphics before everything else.
That's still not the point though. No matter how great of graphics you have, the context behind it is what pulls it together. That's what makes video games a very powerful art form.
I understand, but are you saying that new gamers look at the context of the game? The greatest amount of gamers are in the "new" division. They don't play games to enjoy the story. They don't care about the characters. The main reason (in my experience) that new gamers play video games is to simply have fun. It is only once they break the bonds of that division that they ever begin to realize that a video game is more than a simple past-time.
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skull983398Pykesskull983398It depends on what you are considering art. Think about this for a moment.
The definition of the word "art": The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination.
Put very simply, video games are, often times, the most impressive forms of art. How is that possible? Take the game Okami for example. It uses a Japanese water color style for the graphics, which causes the game to look spectacular. There is also leading games, such as any of the Assassin's Creed games and any of the Fable games which use amazing three-dimensional art for their games. Each of the mentioned games have artwork that fit with their feel perfectly.
Is the drawing style the only form of art in a video game? No. People have to write the story, otherwise, it is only a digital painting. The authors spend almost as much time writing scripts as the artists spend painting scenery and characters.
Still, these are not the only artistic parts of a video game. Someone has to program it. Someone has to take the art and the script and make it all come together.
I like the way you explain it, but there is a flaw with your explanation. You emphasize a bit too much on the graphical view of games, while the aesthetics is what truly takes a game from the level of being a game to being art. You can make a beautiful looking world, but if there's no reason for it to be beautiful, then it's hard to call something out of place art. Please see my first post in this thread for an idea of what I'm getting at here.
On the contrary. The reason why my explanation for the graphical design is more in depth than my other explanations is because those designs are going to be one of the greatest parts of any game. I do understand what you mean, but most people who play games look at the graphics before everything else.
That's still not the point though. No matter how great of graphics you have, the context behind it is what pulls it together. That's what makes video games a very powerful art form.
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The arts, such as theater, painting, literature, and cinema have been around for quuiiite a long while now. Give videogames time to get on their legs and soon enough they too shall be considered art (and are already well on their way there).
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indeed that seems to be the general consensus.
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I think it might be more that gaming communities are simply more appreciative of games than the general public, or rather that individual.
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It is funny how a site that is directed at a video game cominity gets these responses when a site directed at the comunity as a whole gets more of these responses:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/04 ... e_art.html
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This person admits repeatedly that he/she didn't even try games. You can't call any painting, statue, story, music, etc. art until you actually experience it. Tell that person to play a damn game that isn't fucking bejeweled or farmville, and then tell me that no game will ever be art. The thing that person doesn't understand that just because eventually a game becomes incompatible with current technology, it can always be revived via emulators making it an eternal art form for as long as internet is existent more or less. Also once the internet dies you'll have much bigger problems to worry about than whats art and what's not.
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Well, you are using Roger Ebert as an example, who is extreamly critical, and is also old. What does being old have to do with anything? It's the kind of 'back in my day' mentality. But, that is another topic. Either way, he is off base on a few things, and comments completly disagree with him.
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I haven't read this thread before posting, but I am going to say that without a doubt...
Yes.
Some are, some aren't - but with all the work that goes towards a major video game and even some smaller ones, you gotta appreciate what they've done regardless. You have your concepts, your character sketches, designs, colour maps ... script and environment paintings, modelling, animation, and then the game mechanics, all of it. Games are born of art, made by artists, so it is natural for them, IMO, to be considered art.
But of course 'art' is subjective. If the question is, 'do you consider Minecraft to be art?' I would say no, but some of the mods and texture packs, even skins that have been created (even with the limited 'canvas') would fall under that category for me. Aesthetic tastes are different of course.
Yes.
Some are, some aren't - but with all the work that goes towards a major video game and even some smaller ones, you gotta appreciate what they've done regardless. You have your concepts, your character sketches, designs, colour maps ... script and environment paintings, modelling, animation, and then the game mechanics, all of it. Games are born of art, made by artists, so it is natural for them, IMO, to be considered art.
But of course 'art' is subjective. If the question is, 'do you consider Minecraft to be art?' I would say no, but some of the mods and texture packs, even skins that have been created (even with the limited 'canvas') would fall under that category for me. Aesthetic tastes are different of course.
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Very good question. Video Games are becoming more and more accepted into the norm for media, and less as an outside substitute for entertainment. Hell, game soundtracks are now in the Grammys or whatever the music award show is. Normally, video games fall under the catagory of visual arts. Think of a game as an interactive movie. Most big name games include a storyline, script, charachter design, enviroment design, all things that are considered in a movie. But then it goes further, controls, gameplay, abilities, all things unique to video games. Gaming is it's own art.
tl;dr, Yes.
tl;dr, Yes.
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Okay here's my thought.
Video games are a combination of artforms that are universally accepted. They combine writing, painting (textures), sculpting (3d modeling), acting, music, and so on.
Since these forms of art are never doubted, whether or not games are art seems like a silly question. Of course games are art!
Video games are a combination of artforms that are universally accepted. They combine writing, painting (textures), sculpting (3d modeling), acting, music, and so on.
Since these forms of art are never doubted, whether or not games are art seems like a silly question. Of course games are art!
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Well so art movies. Doesn't mean that all movie are art. Pornography for example many would agree is not art. But it has many of those parts to it. And there are many games that people are outright disgusted by.
Here is a top ten list of offensive games by machinima:
[youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5VmbcYsCN4[/youtube]
None of which many would consider art.... would you?
Here is a top ten list of offensive games by machinima:
[youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5VmbcYsCN4[/youtube]
None of which many would consider art.... would you?
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They are all art. Just because something is crappy or offensive doesn't mean it isn't art. Is it stupid? Yes. Pointless? Sure--but so is that crappy finger painting of a turkey I made in kindergarten. That is still art! If I were to take a permanent marker, and draw an obscene image of Alex Trebeck and a horse making god cry in a bathroom stall--that would still be art. The stuff on this top 10 list is better than some things I've seen hanging in a museum, and is definitely art. It may be crap, but that has nothing to do with whether or not it is art.
art/ärt/
Noun:
The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture,...: "the art of the Renaissance"
Yes, video games are art.
art/ärt/
Noun:
The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture,...: "the art of the Renaissance"
Yes, video games are art.
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I believe they are just as much of an art form, as say, literature or painting.
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Archaiz27Ehh... I wouldn't take them directly as art but as a skill, hobby and maybe passion.
In my opinion making games isn't looked upon as art - Painting, crafting, singing, writing etc. is.
Maybe in around 10 years time it will be, who knows?
oh we can only hope.
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X3KrossA simple question with not a not so simple answer. While many have said that no video games are not art and many more agree, it is still hard to say. While you can look at art as something that progresses and makes a statement about something then yes video games are art. There are plenty of statements....
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Ehh... I wouldn't take them directly as art but as a skill, hobby and maybe passion.
In my opinion making games isn't looked upon as art - Painting, crafting, singing, writing etc. is.
Maybe in around 10 years time it will be, who knows?
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well at art collage u can do digital media wich is games and stuff
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Pykesskull983398It depends on what you are considering art. Think about this for a moment.
The definition of the word "art": The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination.
Put very simply, video games are, often times, the most impressive forms of art. How is that possible? Take the game Okami for example. It uses a Japanese water color style for the graphics, which causes the game to look spectacular. There is also leading games, such as any of the Assassin's Creed games and any of the Fable games which use amazing three-dimensional art for their games. Each of the mentioned games have artwork that fit with their feel perfectly.
Is the drawing style the only form of art in a video game? No. People have to write the story, otherwise, it is only a digital painting. The authors spend almost as much time writing scripts as the artists spend painting scenery and characters.
Still, these are not the only artistic parts of a video game. Someone has to program it. Someone has to take the art and the script and make it all come together.
I like the way you explain it, but there is a flaw with your explanation. You emphasize a bit too much on the graphical view of games, while the aesthetics is what truly takes a game from the level of being a game to being art. You can make a beautiful looking world, but if there's no reason for it to be beautiful, then it's hard to call something out of place art. Please see my first post in this thread for an idea of what I'm getting at here.
On the contrary. The reason why my explanation for the graphical design is more in depth than my other explanations is because those designs are going to be one of the greatest parts of any game. I do understand what you mean, but most people who play games look at the graphics before everything else.
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The design aspect yes, the actual experience, no.
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skull983398It depends on what you are considering art. Think about this for a moment.
The definition of the word "art": The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination.
Put very simply, video games are, often times, the most impressive forms of art. How is that possible? Take the game Okami for example. It uses a Japanese water color style for the graphics, which causes the game to look spectacular. There is also leading games, such as any of the Assassin's Creed games and any of the Fable games which use amazing three-dimensional art for their games. Each of the mentioned games have artwork that fit with their feel perfectly.
Is the drawing style the only form of art in a video game? No. People have to write the story, otherwise, it is only a digital painting. The authors spend almost as much time writing scripts as the artists spend painting scenery and characters.
Still, these are not the only artistic parts of a video game. Someone has to program it. Someone has to take the art and the script and make it all come together.
I like the way you explain it, but there is a flaw with your explanation. You emphasize a bit too much on the graphical view of games, while the aesthetics is what truly takes a game from the level of being a game to being art. You can make a beautiful looking world, but if there's no reason for it to be beautiful, then it's hard to call something out of place art. Please see my first post in this thread for an idea of what I'm getting at here.
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It depends on what you are considering art. Think about this for a moment.
The definition of the word "art": The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination.
Put very simply, video games are, often times, the most impressive forms of art. How is that possible? Take the game Okami for example. It uses a Japanese water color style for the graphics, which causes the game to look spectacular. There is also leading games, such as any of the Assassin's Creed games and any of the Fable games which use amazing three-dimensional art for their games. Each of the mentioned games have artwork that fit with their feel perfectly.
Is the drawing style the only form of art in a video game? No. People have to write the story, otherwise, it is only a digital painting. The authors spend almost as much time writing scripts as the artists spend painting scenery and characters.
Still, these are not the only artistic parts of a video game. Someone has to program it. Someone has to take the art and the script and make it all come together. These people are probably the most skilled artists in the gaming team. They have to do the most complicated work, and still make it look good.
The definition of the word "art": The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination.
Put very simply, video games are, often times, the most impressive forms of art. How is that possible? Take the game Okami for example. It uses a Japanese water color style for the graphics, which causes the game to look spectacular. There is also leading games, such as any of the Assassin's Creed games and any of the Fable games which use amazing three-dimensional art for their games. Each of the mentioned games have artwork that fit with their feel perfectly.
Is the drawing style the only form of art in a video game? No. People have to write the story, otherwise, it is only a digital painting. The authors spend almost as much time writing scripts as the artists spend painting scenery and characters.
Still, these are not the only artistic parts of a video game. Someone has to program it. Someone has to take the art and the script and make it all come together. These people are probably the most skilled artists in the gaming team. They have to do the most complicated work, and still make it look good.
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Hell yes.
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This is a very philosophic question that takes a deep understanding of what most people, and what professionals consider art. I believe depending on the experience of the game itself can we decide which video games are art, and which are just games.
That's not to say that any game that isn't art is bad, it just isn't art.
I believe art is a creation of anything which attempts to break the norm of what most do with said medium.
Minecraft is art because while everyone's trying to have the most detailed looking game out there, Minecraft takes low resolution effects, and puts them to use as part of the games mechanics. Something nobody else would have dare attempted at this day and age. Coincidentally, Minecraft is art, and it's a fun game.
That's not to say that any game that isn't art is bad, it just isn't art.
I believe art is a creation of anything which attempts to break the norm of what most do with said medium.
Minecraft is art because while everyone's trying to have the most detailed looking game out there, Minecraft takes low resolution effects, and puts them to use as part of the games mechanics. Something nobody else would have dare attempted at this day and age. Coincidentally, Minecraft is art, and it's a fun game.
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So in general this make Indy games art true? Because they challenge the norm of play and question our morals. At least the better half of the games do. But at that point there become many imitators and it all blends into the already growing market. So does that make them all art? Or only the first one that came about? (This goes for minecraft as well.)
I mean who's to say that Mario brothers isn't art? It was evolutionary, as was legend of Zelda and hell even pong!
So what makes it an art?
Is it really just perspective?
I mean who's to say that Mario brothers isn't art? It was evolutionary, as was legend of Zelda and hell even pong!
So what makes it an art?
Is it really just perspective?
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Well that's just my perspective on the matter. The trouble with figuring out what's art and what isn't is that for the most part the definition of art is opinion based, and everyone has their own meaning of the word. Everyone! I believe Mario Bros. and LoZ was art, but that's just my opinion. To get a strong grasp on what others consider art is difficult, and not really worth the time. Plus games that aren't art can be just as fun anyway.
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Of course they are. All forms of media are art. hell, in order to work in video game design you need a degree like a Bachelors in Game Art so....
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Video games are also art because it all starts with one simple sketch which develops into animation and 3D models which make up the game it's self. Simply video games are practically millions of pieces of art in one package.
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Good point. Though a lot of people would say that goes the same for movies, but that doesn't make each actor or set piece a work of art so what differentiates the two?
While some people's definition of art is based on time, which would make video games the biggest art projects of all, what is the difference. That's what I'm getting at.
While some people's definition of art is based on time, which would make video games the biggest art projects of all, what is the difference. That's what I'm getting at.
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What do you think?
