Kill me please

This proves something big. First of all you hypocrites don't want to participate until something happens to you, then eventually it destroys you. Then you all did not read my words in details and tried to pinpoint every non sensical obvious thing just to prove me wrong. I again and again said that I'm pointing out the bad, I'm pointing out the bad then I also said that we should take responsibility. But no, you guys act casuall and do nothing about and and on top of that I learnt that I should leave the community, if I pinpoint something wrong. Ok then. Let the outside world see us dying out. And I am serious

Mods, please lock this thread and Mark my words. Bye bye planetminecraft. I have had enough of you.
Seriously this is what you wanted so this is how it's gonna happen. You don't want stand ups to improve something, rather you want to not care and look mature. I though being mature means taking responsibility.

I don't agree with the part that most of the 12 years old should not be allowed to play.
And i think you know why

RenegadeRad

RenegadeRad
And no one is judging you, but still we have to remove the toxic part of the community

So how do you propose doing this? Are we going to screen levels of toxic-ness before players are allowed to run Minecraft? Or are we going to ask the griefers and hackers and all-around jerks to please stop, because a guy on the PMC forums wants them to?

A community that doesn't have extremes is a bad community. A perfect utopia is boring as hell. Dissent, chaos, war, general mayhem are all productive, in the grand scheme of things. I like the trolls, the griefers, the kids, whatever you want to call them. They give us reason to feel good about ourselves, they give some reasons to move on to other things. It's a little overbearing for the topic, but adversity drives choice-making.

Dark Souls has an awful community that shuns new players and ostracizes people who refuse to git gud. It's an absolutely fantastic community, well regarded by most on the Internet, because of this individuality. You don't have to be a saint to be liked, Renegade. Personality, diversity, the spice in the soup is what makes the good stuff stand out. Suck it up. No one really has an issue with these people.

2) The under - teen (under 12) kids - They are extremely immature, noisy, uncreative and abusive that have been exposed to the internet and are creating a whole lot of Bigotry issue everywhere. Not all of them are like that, I am talking about the bad ones. And these bad ones are almost everywhere which makes the world again generalize and stereotype the Minecraft Community. These kinds of kids are also the ones who spam uncreativity all over the net. Under 12 should not be allowed to play until they are in supervision, because they are immature and don't have the brains to grasp the world. Even, they are small and they should play outside rather than sticking to the computer, teens and people above the age of 12 should be allowed exposure to the net (majority of them in supervision because they still are not experienced enough, not all but most of them.) as they now start to have a tough life and stress due to studies and the hitting of the reality of this world (not wanna sound melodramatic but it is true!).

That's purely you letting those annoying kids get to you. You state that they are annoying, you acknowledge that you don't like them, but if you let that get to you, your not really that more mature than them. A part of maturity is knowing when to do something.

6) Not using your brain - Now lets talk about basically everyone here https://hypixel.net/threads/guide-forms ... hem.75661/. Now also one thing - why do you as a player rush? Why don't use strategies in the game? Do you think rushing to your opponent make you look cool? No it wont, it would look like an ape who as an itchy butt has gone on a rampage. When you use strategies and play like real, you wont make the whole game a cluster*bad word* but make it more longer and interesting.

Now, wouldn't it be good if you thought and your opponent didn't? Doesn't seem like a problem to me. And why most people don't think about what they do is probably because this game isn't like FPS games where people win millions by being good. There are no ranks, there is no encouragement to get good. Minecraft is a pretty laid back game, there is no competitive aspects to it like COD or CS:GO.

FoxyI'm not entirely sure what you're trying to accomplish with this or what your goal is.
You say this:

RenegadeRadNow listen right, do know that I am not saying you to go these people and abuse at them, you will then directly become the ''fanboys and kids'' of the bad part of the community. In order to do this, WE NEED TO SHOW THE WORLD THAT THE MINECRAFT COMMUNITY CAN TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND ACTUALLY HAS GOOD PEOPLE.

but this is already common knowledge.

RenegadeRadHow to solve this?
1) Report - Report and discuss to other good non fanboy members of the community like on PlanetMinecraft, MinecraftForums or Facebook in details if you find something illeagle, non creative, copied, spam, a bad server, an immature player, a bad player, hacker or if any famous community icon is doing something bad. Then with lots of members take an action.

Two comments:

1. How do you expect this to solve the problem? Things like theft, illegal activity, spam, etc. are easily solved on sites like this with a simple report, which many people already do.
However, things like immature behavior of a specific individual or "a bad server" are both extremely subjective to begin with and out of the control of everyone but the people responsible. Sites like ours aren't able to punish a server because we personally think it's bad while there are people using it who like it. Because of this, there's not much reporting these things will do, so that just leaves your suggestion of discussing them with others in the community. Ultimately, however, this does little to nothing to help the situation since protesting these issues most likely won't solve them. Even if you went as far as creating something like a petition with thousands of signatures to have these people stop what they're doing or shut down a server, the decision is still entirely up to the ones you're protesting, who will likely just ignore you as long as there are still at least some people who support them.
2. As far as I can see, what you're suggesting already happens, despite everything I've just said. I can't tell you how many times I come across some person complaining about some Minecraft YouTuber, server, build team, specific individual players, etc. The two main reasons this tends to fail to get much attention or support are that the sheer number of individuals or groups that people complain about is too large and specific for anyone to keep up with, and that 99% of the time most people simply don't care about the thing people are complaining about because it only directly affects an extremely small amount of people not including themselves.
In the end, all this ends up accomplishing in the eyes of people outside the Minecraft community (as well as many within it as well) is making a large portion of the community look like a bunch of whiny kids complaining about hundreds of issues hardly anyone really cares about or can do anything about to begin with. This seems to be the exact opposite image you're wanting to create for the community.

When all you do to solve an issue is fervently protest a problem and hope that the amount of voices yelling the same thing will eventually cause someone else to fix the problem, you get what seems to be the modern concept of activism. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and much of the time the effort spent on protesting could have gone to actually solving the problem instead.

However in this case, even the realistic possible solutions have a pretty significant chance of failing so you're somewhat stuck at this point.

RenegadeRad2) Be Fair - Be fair and don't stick to your opinions because you are dealing with a whole community here. Be fair, think for the both sides and if something is really bad, then take action. Discuss with people who have similar thinking. Its kinda like moderating ya know... which is not too strict... like PMC... (*hides*)

I'm not entirely sure what discussing topics with people who have similar views as you will do to help you fairly consider the merit or validity of alternate or opposing viewpoints. In fact that's widely considered the exact opposite of what you probably want to do if your goal is to make an unbiased judgement or decision based on a fair analysis of all viewpoints.
If after considering all viewpoints you still come to the conclusion that "something is really bad," then you arrive at the issues seen in your first point.

RenegadeRad3) Raise a voice, start a movement - Tweet, post on forums anything bad like things mentioned before make the whole situation similar that to the FineBros incident.

The reason the FineBros were met with such a large opposition from the community was because if they succeeded, it would imply the possibility (for anyone) to do something that directly negatively affected everyone that used YouTube from every community. Law is not something you can simply choose to participate in or ignore as you like or see fit. This is completely different from something like a bad server or a bad player on it where you have the option to leave for a better alternative open to you at any time, and associating yourself with what you see as bad is in no way required.

RenegadeRad4) Encountering - If you encounter a victim or the bad one, don't be rude, smartly discuss with them and point out their wrong which would silent them. Don't start to fight like an animal with them using abuse and stuff. Act savage, and be cool. Always listen to the victim but don't completely side with it as they may be lying or may not be completely correct.

As someone who deals with this sort of thing on a daily basis, a situation in which immediately pointing out facts that prove someone wrong 'silences' the person arguing almost never happens. And I deal mainly in objective matters with that have a definite answer. Many of the situations you're talking about are subjective and have no definite answer, meaning you'll probably never encounter an instance in which a single response you give will solve everything.

RenegadeRad5) Use your brain - I think I don't need to say anythig..

no comment

RenegadeRad6) Victory Dance - Always play this song when you succeed in bringing down something bad.

no comment

This is good too.

YES THANK YOU FOR #2!!! Those little kids who rate all of my minecraft server projects on Hypixel bad are so immature! They rate everything poop to promote their own projects.

To solve this problem: singleplayer.

Ranting won't do anything..do you even realize that the staff won't change a thing no matter how much you even rant? One answer? Deal with it.

The worst part about the community is the people that start arguments over it. People read the arguments, and then get opinions. Basically, rants are for wusses, just go singleplayer / chat off
I don't understand why people make such a big deal out of this stuff

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to accomplish with this or what your goal is.
You say this:

RenegadeRadNow listen right, do know that I am not saying you to go these people and abuse at them, you will then directly become the ''fanboys and kids'' of the bad part of the community. In order to do this, WE NEED TO SHOW THE WORLD THAT THE MINECRAFT COMMUNITY CAN TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND ACTUALLY HAS GOOD PEOPLE.

but this is already common knowledge.

RenegadeRadHow to solve this?
1) Report - Report and discuss to other good non fanboy members of the community like on PlanetMinecraft, MinecraftForums or Facebook in details if you find something illeagle, non creative, copied, spam, a bad server, an immature player, a bad player, hacker or if any famous community icon is doing something bad. Then with lots of members take an action.

Two comments:

1. How do you expect this to solve the problem? Things like theft, illegal activity, spam, etc. are easily solved on sites like this with a simple report, which many people already do.
However, things like immature behavior of a specific individual or "a bad server" are both extremely subjective to begin with and out of the control of everyone but the people responsible. Sites like ours aren't able to punish a server because we personally think it's bad while there are people using it who like it. Because of this, there's not much reporting these things will do, so that just leaves your suggestion of discussing them with others in the community. Ultimately, however, this does little to nothing to help the situation since protesting these issues most likely won't solve them. Even if you went as far as creating something like a petition with thousands of signatures to have these people stop what they're doing or shut down a server, the decision is still entirely up to the ones you're protesting, who will likely just ignore you as long as there are still at least some people who support them.
2. As far as I can see, what you're suggesting already happens, despite everything I've just said. I can't tell you how many times I come across some person complaining about some Minecraft YouTuber, server, build team, specific individual players, etc. The two main reasons this tends to fail to get much attention or support are that the sheer number of individuals or groups that people complain about is too large and specific for anyone to keep up with, and that 99% of the time most people simply don't care about the thing people are complaining about because it only directly affects an extremely small amount of people not including themselves.
In the end, all this ends up accomplishing in the eyes of people outside the Minecraft community (as well as many within it as well) is making a large portion of the community look like a bunch of whiny kids complaining about hundreds of issues hardly anyone really cares about or can do anything about to begin with. This seems to be the exact opposite image you're wanting to create for the community.

When all you do to solve an issue is fervently protest a problem and hope that the amount of voices yelling the same thing will eventually cause someone else to fix the problem, you get what seems to be the modern concept of activism. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and much of the time the effort spent on protesting could have gone to actually solving the problem instead.

However in this case, even the realistic possible solutions have a pretty significant chance of failing so you're somewhat stuck at this point.

RenegadeRad2) Be Fair - Be fair and don't stick to your opinions because you are dealing with a whole community here. Be fair, think for the both sides and if something is really bad, then take action. Discuss with people who have similar thinking. Its kinda like moderating ya know... which is not too strict... like PMC... (*hides*)

I'm not entirely sure what discussing topics with people who have similar views as you will do to help you fairly consider the merit or validity of alternate or opposing viewpoints. In fact that's widely considered the exact opposite of what you probably want to do if your goal is to make an unbiased judgement or decision based on a fair analysis of all viewpoints.
If after considering all viewpoints you still come to the conclusion that "something is really bad," then you arrive at the issues seen in your first point.

RenegadeRad3) Raise a voice, start a movement - Tweet, post on forums anything bad like things mentioned before make the whole situation similar that to the FineBros incident.

The reason the FineBros were met with such a large opposition from the community was because if they succeeded, it would imply the possibility (for anyone) to do something that directly negatively affected everyone that used YouTube from every community. Law is not something you can simply choose to participate in or ignore as you like or see fit. This is completely different from something like a bad server or a bad player on it where you have the option to leave for a better alternative open to you at any time, and associating yourself with what you see as bad is in no way required.

RenegadeRad4) Encountering - If you encounter a victim or the bad one, don't be rude, smartly discuss with them and point out their wrong which would silent them. Don't start to fight like an animal with them using abuse and stuff. Act savage, and be cool. Always listen to the victim but don't completely side with it as they may be lying or may not be completely correct.

As someone who deals with this sort of thing on a daily basis, a situation in which immediately pointing out facts that prove someone wrong 'silences' the person arguing almost never happens. And I deal mainly in objective matters with that have a definite answer. Many of the situations you're talking about are subjective and have no definite answer, meaning you'll probably never encounter an instance in which a single response you give will solve everything.

RenegadeRad5) Use your brain - I think I don't need to say anythig..

no comment

RenegadeRad6) Victory Dance - Always play this song when you succeed in bringing down something bad.

no comment

Do I have to stand, or can I remain seated and support you in the comfort of my chair?

exceptionally I agree with him

Thanks, but anyone can explain to me what happend with The Fine Bros.?

avronaThis is another reason 1.9 is great. It creates this "natural selection barrier" against the unwanted parts of the community. For those of you that don't know, natural selection is the process of selecting animals best fitted for survival by having the animals that are worse at survival die as they are well.. worse at survival. 1.9 adds things like a fixed combat system, which helps filter away people who just spam click.

exceptionally I agree with him

don't like it, don't play it
(or use another version or mod it)

This is another reason 1.9 is great. It creates this "natural selection barrier" against the unwanted parts of the community. For those of you that don't know, natural selection is the process of selecting animals best fitted for survival by having the animals that are worse at survival die as they are well.. worse at survival. 1.9 adds things like a fixed combat system, which helps filter away people who just spam click.

I understand most of your points, but I don't understand this:

The whole FineBros incident that happened showed what can happen if a community stands up together.

Like what happend? Is it about React World or something? If so, what exactly happend?

^^^^ thank you chron, that is a near-perfect reaction. could not have said it better had I wanted to try.

*yawn*

ChronI don't normally comment on these types of threads, but after reading through some of the comments, I came to this realization:

Why does anyone care?

So what if it dies on a large scale? If you still enjoy it, the way it is/was (fun fact; every old version is still available to play, and I'm sure if enough of you "veterans" bucked up and got together, y'all could make the server y'all want), then why does it matter how other people enjoy it? You are not required to play 1.9, 1.8, or even the game at all. What matters is that people have fun. Mojang knows that some people, quite a few in fact, don't like that Minecraft isn't as "simplistic" as it used to be, so they made every old version accessible from the launcher. They also know that some people want new things added into the game decently frequently, so they update it every once and awhile, giving the people something fresh, something new. Want some of the new aspects, but not all of them? Mods are a thing.

C'mon, veterans. You've hung around long enough to know that you can make this game however you want it. And I'm sure that if you look hard enough someone else shares the same views as you on how the game should be played. There's no need to freak out. If Mojang cut the cord today, and you still had fun, so what? How other people play the game should not affect you, and how you think it should be played should not affect them.

Seriously, stop caring about other people and what they do. You're not forced to join the community in any capacity, and anyone that automatically lumps you in the company of those individuals just because you play the same game doesn't deserve your time.

The reason I don't care about this attitude is because I've seen too many threads complaining about the minecraft community. I simply don't have the time or the will to formulate a proper relpy to each of them.

My advice: read Azimov's Foundation series, and take a good look at the "social inertia" he mentions in the first book.

Azie

RenegadeRad

Read my post again, I said the majority of the people frame a whole gaming community if someone does something bad. I don't care if you don't, because I know you are smart enough that you won't. But I'm talking about the parents of the games, the outside world which is not involved in gaming community does that

And no one is judging you, but still we have to remove the toxic part of the community

I understand your point. However, that doesn't change that trying to change people doesn't work. All you can do is do you.

Look at me sitting here trying to change you by telling you you can't change people. lol Good luck on your thread. I'm out.

So true.

I can't understand how a game where you try just to maybe survive and have fun with friends at times can turn in to something like this. Now people on youtube play it for profit. It's become a center of hate for people like (not insulting you if you like the game) COD elitist's because they think it's childish or for little kid's. Just because a game is rated E or T doesn't mean only children play it. Why have people in the community changed such a simple game into this sort of thing, does anyone remember what MC was like back in 1.5 or even before? That's when the game was really great don't get me wrong i still love the game but for me it just seems that it has changed a lot. But remember when you played it for the first time. Your first house. Your first death. That original community who loved the game then, that's almost gone now people have lost creativity. People create identical skins. Anyone else tire of the same old teen skins? And the same gamemodes are on nearly every server with nothing new. Is it really that hard to come up with something different?

RenegadeRad

Read my post again, I said the majority of the people frame a whole gaming community if someone does something bad. I don't care if you don't, because I know you are smart enough that you won't. But I'm talking about the parents of the games, the outside world which is not involved in gaming community does that

And no one is judging you, but still we have to remove the toxic part of the community

I understand your point. However, that doesn't change that trying to change people doesn't work. All you can do is do you.

Look at me sitting here trying to change you by telling you you can't change people. lol Good luck on your thread. I'm out.

Azie

RenegadeRad

It is damn true that if a community increases we eventually start to have bad people in it, but have you seen those videos? those are too insane! and why can't we do anything? is taking a stand wrong? Look what GradeAUnderA did when he took a stand, the CEO of Youtube listened. Literally

Thats true but we cannot stand this right? I mean everywhere nowdays where I live if you say something like "Yo, I play Minecraft" people start judging me. Also, we can improve them if we want.

A CEO making a business decision due to community backlash =/= changing hundreds of thousands of stupid people so they're not stupid anymore. They'll always be there. The only thing you can do is you. Actively trying to change other people is fruitless.

If I had a dollar for every time someone judged me for playing video games, being overweight, not being as pretty as someone else, having a mouth akin to a sailor, etc... then I'd be pretty rich. I can show those people that I'm not a bad person, but will that really change how they feel about a group of people as a whole? Probably not. I've been in that exact same boat.

CoD gets a pretty bad rap from people outside its community as unoriginal and toxic. You think it's unoriginal, whatever. My point is that I've met people who play CoD who were pretty cool people and I talked with them and hung out for a while and became friends with them. Did that change my mind about the CoD community as a whole? Not really. I'll acknowledge that there are some good eggs, but I've had far more bad experiences than good ones, especially in game chat.

Read my post again, I said the majority of the people frame a whole gaming community if someone does something bad. I don't care if you don't, because I know you are smart enough that you won't. But I'm talking about the parents of the games, the outside world which is not involved in gaming community does that

And no one is judging you, but still we have to remove the toxic part of the community

Oh look, another rant. I wish I'd get a dollar for every rant on this subject that gets posted on any minecraft website. I wouldn't need to worry about rent then.

This is like, life.
But then in the Minecraft category.
All those things what are bad in the Minecraft community, are in our daily lives.
And we learn of live with that, so shouldn't we do the same with Minecraft?
Sure, be sure that there's not a -nope- or -nope- hunting for you, but you would do the same in real-life, wouldn't you?

RenegadeRad

It is damn true that if a community increases we eventually start to have bad people in it, but have you seen those videos? those are too insane! and why can't we do anything? is taking a stand wrong? Look what GradeAUnderA did when he took a stand, the CEO of Youtube listened. Literally

Thats true but we cannot stand this right? I mean everywhere nowdays where I live if you say something like "Yo, I play Minecraft" people start judging me. Also, we can improve them if we want.

A CEO making a business decision due to community backlash =/= changing hundreds of thousands of stupid people so they're not stupid anymore. They'll always be there. The only thing you can do is you. Actively trying to change other people is fruitless.

If I had a dollar for every time someone judged me for playing video games, being overweight, not being as pretty as someone else, having a mouth akin to a sailor, etc... then I'd be pretty rich. I can show those people that I'm not a bad person, but will that really change how they feel about a group of people as a whole? Probably not. I've been in that exact same boat.

CoD gets a pretty bad rap from people outside its community as unoriginal and toxic. You think it's unoriginal, whatever. My point is that I've met people who play CoD who were pretty cool people and I talked with them and hung out for a while and became friends with them. Did that change my mind about the CoD community as a whole? Not really. I'll acknowledge that there are some good eggs, but I've had far more bad experiences than good ones, especially in game chat.

AzieThese aren't new issues and you aren't the first person to complain about them or start a vague "take a stand protest". Like it or not, every community since the beginning of time contains stupid/immature people of all ages and this thread won't change that. You can't shout "take a stand" and expect change. What are you actually trying to do to change it? Post on social media using a specific hashtag? You might show some people some good, but the bad is still there. It's human nature to highlight/remember bad experiences and people who think of Minecraft and think "toxic" will probably always think that way.

Full disclosure: I can't stand children and that's why I'll never babysit. Now lets talk about why kids are arguably the most important part of our community, not a demographic to be completely alienated. Nowadays there are a lot fewer games available that are rated T and under. Minecraft is one of those games. We all eventually move on or end up playing less but kids are constantly being introduced, growing the community. Without them, our community would eventually die out.

It is damn true that if a community increases we eventually start to have bad people in it, but have you seen those videos? those are too insane! and why can't we do anything? is taking a stand wrong? Look what GradeAUnderA did when he took a stand, the CEO of Youtube listened. Literally

Thats true but we cannot stand this right? I mean everywhere nowdays where I live if you say something like "Yo, I play Minecraft" people start judging me. Also, we can improve them if we want.

These aren't new issues and you aren't the first person to complain about them or start a vague "take a stand protest". Like it or not, every community since the beginning of time contains stupid/immature people of all ages and this thread won't change that. You can't shout "take a stand" and expect change. What are you actually trying to do to change it? Post on social media using a specific hashtag? You might show some people some good, but the bad is still there. It's human nature to highlight/remember bad experiences and people who think of Minecraft and think "toxic" will probably always think that way.

Full disclosure: I can't stand children and that's why I'll never babysit. Now lets talk about why kids are arguably the most important part of our community, not a demographic to be completely alienated. Nowadays there are a lot fewer games available that are rated T and under. Minecraft is one of those games. We all eventually move on or end up playing less but kids are constantly being introduced, growing the community. Without them, our community would eventually die out.

Please write down your opinions here. Make a Stand!