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My PC now suddenly doesn't meet the requirements to play Minecraft Java?

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created 06/23/2018 11:36 am by Weirdfisher
last reply 06/30/2018 2:16 pm
So since the new 1.13 snapshots rolling in , I can't play Minecraft properly there is a lot of lag and lag drops from 30 fps to 10 , etc . I can clearly remember my PC running 40-30 FPS and a sudden drop in FPS is very confusing. I asked a guy on the bug tracker page and he told me "your PC does not meet the requirements" I mean it USED to play Minecraft so well before...

Any way to overcome this sudden lag and sudden FPS drops? I can't play Minecraft properly since a long time. Any thing that helps is appreciated.
Thank you all in advance.

Oh and here are my PC Specs:

OS: Windows 8.1 Pro

Processor: Intel Core i5-2400 CPU @3.10GHz 3.10 GHz

Installed Memory (RAM): 4.00 GB (3.85 GB usable)

System type: 64 bit Operating system , x64 based processor

PC name : Dell Vostro 460

Graphics : Intel HD Graphics 2000

(Graphics)Allocated memory:1760 mb (1.76 GB)

Its not a pretty highend PC , Its from 2011 but its a shock that it "doesn't meet the requirements" to play a basic game like Minecraft. The developers should make adjustments to make the game to be able to run on older PCs.
Again I would appreciate any help or any tips to overcome my problem.

EDIT: I can confirm that I can run Minecraft 1.12.2 with 40-50 fps no optifine.


I was wondering that would deleting all the worlds make a significant change? I sure do have a lot of worlds even ones which I don't play on.

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Weirdfisher
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06/30/2018 2:16 pm
Level 10 Journeyman Network
Fade IN
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Probably just a bug within the new version
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06/26/2018 10:15 am
Level 24 Expert Nerd
ParkerTheDev
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Hey!

Looking at your specs, you should be able to play Minecraft. I have very similar specs and I get 250 FPS (with OptiFine). Just because you have an older PC doesn't mean that Minecraft cannot run on your system. My laptop is a 2011/2012 MacBook Pro and it runs Minecraft perfectly fine, so in theory this shouldn't be the issue. With that being said, I've listed a few things that could help, if it doesn't work, reply!
- Download OptiFine. This will really improve your FPS, plus any existing issues.
- Uninstall Minecraft. If you uninstall the game and then re-install it, this could fix some of the issues.
- Restart your computer. Sometimes a quick restart fixes some of your issues.
If none of that works, please feel free to PM me or reply to this comment. I'd love to help!
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06/27/2018 2:00 am
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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@PakerTheDev , yes that's what I was thinking that my PC isn't very ancient (Trust me I had a much worse one and the only game I could play was Simcity 3000 and TheSims 1 ) and should be able to play Minecraft fine but turns out it can't with the newest 1.13 snapshot. I mean I'm not a tech geek but 1.76 GB shouldn't it be enough ( mind me , you can correct me if I am wrong) to play Minecraft? Or as everyone says that Intel HD Graphics 2000 is pretty much dead and has no support or the requirements to play Modern Minecraft.
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06/27/2018 9:20 am
Level 24 Expert Nerd
ParkerTheDev
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Like other's have stated, I suggest a new graphics card if needed. I suggest a GTX 1050, as they are around 100-150 bucks. :)
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06/26/2018 4:58 pm
Level 17 Journeyman Cake
carbonawk
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"Just because you have an older PC doesn't mean that Minecraft cannot run on your system. My laptop is a 2011/2012 MacBook Pro and it runs Minecraft perfectly fine."

That is all great and all, but simply because your machine works does not mean his should work.


"so in theory, this shouldn't be the issue"

"in theory" your reasoning has nothing to do with anything technical. The problem has already been pinpointed, and it was not due to age. But due to lack of features. Which are needed to support the newest version of Minecraft.

Please read the posts below for a better understanding of why this does not work.
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06/26/2018 5:50 pm
Level 24 Expert Nerd
ParkerTheDev
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Sorry, I'm just trying to help. Please consider that though I didn't read all of the posts below, I'm just trying to be a helpful member here on PMC. I'm allowed to make suggestions and provide possible reasons (regardless of how crazy they are) as to why he is experiencing this.
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06/25/2018 10:23 am
Level 7 Apprentice Pig
Feniksy
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dont play the snapshots, but wait for the real update!
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06/25/2018 10:45 am
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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Yeah thats what I'm doing at the moment. I'm using 1.12.2 for playing.
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06/25/2018 12:18 pm
Level 1 New Miner
Camdesh
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WINDOWS 8.1 Pro I got Windows 10
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06/26/2018 1:55 am
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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So? I mean its cool. It's still supported in form of security patches till 2023 so I guess I'm safe for while?
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06/24/2018 8:41 pm
Level 1 New Crafter
Master_Bw3
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well firdst of all get yourself optifine, it helps a lot

(not out for 1.13 snapshots tho)

the 1.13 snapshots are supposed to have less lag once they are released
06/25/2018 9:20 am
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06/25/2018 10:20 am
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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Is that an insult? Because it sounded like one.
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06/23/2018 10:55 pm
Level 1 New Miner
ItzzAlexx
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Hello!

I saw your thread, and I have figured out the problem. You currently do not have a GPU in your system which will not load Minecraft. All your other specs are very good. Just buy a graphics card, it's one of the most important items in your PC. If you are on a budget, I'd recommend buying a GTX 750. If you have the money, you can buy a GTX 1050 or higher. I have an MSI GTX 1060 for my GPU. If you do not know which graphics card to buy, just look it up on YouTube and you'll learn everything there. Also, I'd recommend buying a graphics card on amazon because they have the best deals. Thank you.

Also, I have a tip if you want to get more frames while you are waiting for your graphics card if you buy one. Download the Badlion Client or Cheatbreaker ( 1.7.10 only for CB ) These both will increase your fps by an average of 30 - 50.

One more tip, I'd recommend switching to windows 10. It's must faster and easier.
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06/29/2018 3:10 am
Level 8 Apprentice Explorer
allmine444
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I'm playing 1.12 and it crashes regularly and I have a suspicion that Windows 10 has something to do with it. Swear it used to be super reliable.
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06/24/2018 1:38 pm
Level 17 Journeyman Cake
carbonawk
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You are wrong, he DOES have a GPU, he does not have a graphics card, and NO they are not the same thing. Why do you recommend these things?

Also, those are launchers with features that you, for the most part, can use with the original client. There is 0 reason to switch. Nor does either client seem to support what this user wants to play, taking away from the original problem. Both clients also send information, and it is NOT clear what.

Also, why recommend things based on information you don't have? a GTX1060? does his power supply even support it? it requires a 6 pin.
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06/24/2018 12:57 am
Level 9 Apprentice Network
Geekles
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A dedicated graphics card is not at all necessary to be able to run
games such as Minecraft since Intel already contains an integrated
graphics core within the processor itself. I ran minecraft years ago
without a GPU, and simply used the integrated graphics card that Intel
provided. A dedicated graphics processing unit is used to be able to
achieve higher frame rates since you dedicate the visual processing
portion of applications to a completely dedicated graphics processing
unit, instead of having all the load on the processor itself.

Here's the inside of one of the Intel processors.


@Weirdfisher
In the end here's a few things you can do which @ItzzAlexx did mention.
Updating your PC or really any application/operating system is always
highly recommended due to security updates and performance improvements.
Also resetting your computer to factory settings helps a ton to get a
fresh start. Often unnecessary files and processes add up in the
background overtime. Cleaning your PC entirely can provide a noticeable
difference. There are also options to disable some windows features such
as some of the animations to give your computer a little bit of a
boost. Also go through and make sure you uninstall any software you do
not need. But if you have the money, perhaps it's time you simply
upgrade your PC.
If you have the money, I would highly recommend getting the https://www.amazon.com/Dell-15-6-Inch-Quad-Core-i5-6300HQ-Processor/dp/B015PYYDMQ.
It's the computer I currently use and I've had it for over a year now. I
take it everywhere I go and haven't gotten a scratch, nor has it needed
a single repair. The retina 4k display is absolutely astonishing. The
Nivida GeForce 960m card may not be the absolute best, however it's
definitely a very good gpu for a laptop, and I can easily achieve
anywhere between 150-350 fps on minecraft with 12 chunk render distance,
and everything else maxed out, however I usually cap the fps to a
constant value of 150. Great value, portable, fairly light weight,
beautiful, powerful gaming machine. Note I did get a more expensive
version with the intel i7 4k resolution etc. when it was on sale,
however the i5 etc. should fit your needs, since getting a processor
such as an i7 and 4k resolution is really only necessary if you have
additional needs such as developing/visual graphics. For gaming the GPU
is really your main concern.
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06/24/2018 5:34 am
Level 50 Grandmaster Terraformer
Ivain
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Sure, you don't NEED a dedicated graphics card to play minecraft, but you do need a graphics 'card' of sufficient strength. Which OP does not have. Minimum requirements for running Minecraft is an Intel HD 4000 integrated graphics card. I ran it for ages on Intel HD 4400, which allowed me about 30 fps on low settings, and 40 fps with Optifine.
OP's problem was that his timing was JUST off. The processor he got is from the Sandy Bridge generation, the processor+integrated graphics he needs to run this would be from the Ivy Bridge generation, one generation after that.
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06/24/2018 1:51 pm
Level 17 Journeyman Cake
carbonawk
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Again you make the same mistake as the user above. Integrated graphics chips are A GPU. A graphics card is NOT a GPU. NOR is it a dedicated GPU per se.


"A dedicated graphics processing unit is used to be able to achieve higher frame rates. Since you dedicate the visual processing portion of applications to a completely dedicated graphics processing
unit, instead of having all the load on the processor itself. "

Back it up, you ONLY use a part of CPU, not the whole CPU. Having all the load on this part or not does not matter. It's designed to do it. In fact, I hope it takes full advantage of it.

How did you jump from the earlier in this post mentioned $60 graphics card to $300 graphics cards to a laptop of $800?

This is not a user who spend a lot so far, this would be a rather large cash sink for such a small thing.

Can we please get down to earth and be a bit realistic and get the facts right before going technical?
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06/24/2018 7:50 am
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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Thanks!
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06/23/2018 11:22 pm
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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thanks, I'll see but for now I have a really low budget and can only afford a NVidia GT 730 2Gb DDR3
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06/23/2018 5:27 pm
Level 50 Grandmaster Terraformer
Ivain
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It's not at all shocking. What's surprising and shocking is that you were even able to play past versions of MC with an Intel HD 2000 graphics card. I have an Intel HD 4400 in my laptop and I barely get 40 fps with optifine and everything.

There's this thing called Moore's law. It's an observation of reality. It means that roughly every 2 years, the overall processing power of computers doubles. Assuming 6 years since you bought your PC instead of 7, that would mean current PC's of a similar budget as you originally paid for your PC are about 8 times stronger.

It's completely unreasonable to expect devs of ANY modern game to run backwards compatibility that far back, especially if it's in constant development. If they did, they would basically be unable to add anything new to the game or improve existing systems.
The biggest problem is your lack of a dedicated graphics card. Your CPU is significantly stronger than the minimum requirement of the Java edition, Java edition is theoretically playable on 256mb of free RAM though most people recommend 1024mb (1Gb) since 1.8. Mojang has 2GB listed because that's the amount you should have as part of your PC in total. You have twice that,


However, your integrated graphics isn't nearly good enough.


It requires an Intel HD 4000 integrated graphics, at the least, which is from the Ivy Bridge generation, a chipset generation after the one your CPU is from. It's from 2012, which is a perfectly reasonable amount of backwards compatibility (6 years back, aka 3 iterations of Moore's law)


If you'd gotten any dedicated graphics card compatible with it back then, you would be fine now, but hindsight is 20-20.





Now let's look at what you can do right now.
1. Downgrade minecraft. Continue playing 1.12 or earlier, whatever worked.
2. See if Optifine makes it possible to play Minecraft 1.13, when the first optifine version for 1.13 comes out


3. Start saving for a better PC. At this point I'd recommend against trying to upgrade it because an i5 2400 is gonna be completely obsolete soon anyway.
Idk how much you paid for your current PC, but with a guide like this: https://www.wepc.com/builds/best-gaming-pc-under-500/


You can build a PC for about $500, which is what you'd pay for a premade basic workstation.
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06/23/2018 9:43 pm
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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Thanks man , I'm thinking to wait for Optifine.
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06/23/2018 8:49 pm
Level 17 Journeyman Cake
carbonawk
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get a 30$ graphics card and solve this simply issue lol
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06/23/2018 9:46 pm
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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I guess eventually? When nothing can be done.
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06/23/2018 10:28 pm
Level 17 Journeyman Cake
carbonawk
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it's 7 years old, and even back then it was mediocre, at best. Expecting it to run the newest software or let it be games, is pretty silly. If you had a graphics card back then you would still be able to run this game in it's the latest update, that's quite generous as is tbh.

Something can be done.
Want to play the newest software? use the newest or rather different hardware. It really is that simple.
But you have to do it, we can't do it for you.
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06/23/2018 1:19 pm
Level 2 Apprentice Explorer
SnickerToodles
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It's not that your computer isn't powerful or high end enough. Your processor is fine and your RAM is, well, fine for Minecraft.

The problem is that you literally do not have a graphics card -- you have Intel integrated graphics, which basically means that your computer has the capability of starting up and displaying your screen, and not much more than that. I'm really surprised that Minecraft ran at anything resembling playable before this, though I have no idea why it suddenly stopped working.

That graphics card is very old, slow, and has been discontinued. There's really no amount of optimization a game developer could do to make a game run on those graphics, and expecting them to is unreasonable. So buy a real graphics card.

Or don't expect to be able to play any games more intensive than Hearthstone, because that's seriously all I was able to get working at higher than 10 FPS on those graphics while I was waiting for my card to ship.
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06/23/2018 9:44 pm
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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Thanks but I am able to play older 2011 games in a decent frame rate and are quite playable. But not modern games lol.
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06/24/2018 5:32 am
Level 50 Grandmaster Terraformer
Ivain
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yeah, that's sort of the problem. Minecraft may have originally started in 2011, but it's been under constant development since.
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06/23/2018 6:57 pm
Level 13 Journeyman Engineer
_Phrozenbit_
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What Ivain and SnickerToodles already have said.

Also don't forget that this is a snapshot of the new version, not it's release. This means that a couple of things related to performance probably will be ironed out at the actual release of 1.3. A solution would also be as simple to just wait and try again at the release of 1.3 :)
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06/23/2018 9:47 pm
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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True , but its happening since the 1.13 snapshots started rolling out.
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06/23/2018 9:57 pm
Level 9 Apprentice Network
thunderbolt73
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I assume you guys mean 1.13?
1.3 came out YEAARS ago and is definitely not getting optifine
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06/23/2018 6:28 pm
Level 14 Journeyman Network
Electroman01
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The other comments say the problem but a solution you can try is using a modded client with optifine and then setting those settings to lowest. That can gaurentee you running at atleast 10-20 better.
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06/23/2018 9:51 pm
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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Yeah thanks I'm gonna wait for a 1.13 Optifine.
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06/23/2018 6:27 pm
Level 9 Apprentice Network
thunderbolt73
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I'm no expert on computer specs, but I can say that I use a GT 730 and run it perfectly fine at 100+fps. It is pretty cheap if you are needing one. Fair warning though, I have windows 10, optifine, & 8gb of ram so take it with a grain of salt. Your processor is miles better than mine though, I have an Intel Core 2 Duo 3ghz.
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06/23/2018 9:51 pm
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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I would consider buying a Graphic card when there is nothing to be done. I don't play very highend games to need a graphic card.
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06/23/2018 10:08 pm
Level 20 Expert Fisherman
Weirdfisher
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But which GT 730 is it? The 2GB or the 1GB one?

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