Honestly.
Some things that people make as Pixel Art is pretty amazing.

I wouldn't go and ban it because one simply doesn't like it.
A vast majority of the Minecraft community does like pixel art and so does a majority of the PMC community.

It'd be limiting users and stopping them from posting what they're probably best at.

I honestly don't mind them and occasionally stop and look at some.

If you look at it this way.
In some form, everything on Minecraft is pixel art.

I agree with you Doggle

Recognition?
What exactly is the purpose of recognition on a site that feeds of off a game that will most likely last only 2-3 more years, and that is being generous?

You just went against the basic human nature that is the sense of creativity, Not just anyone can do pixel art. I ask you, why do you play Minecraft? The best and honest answer would be "To have fun." So why restrict having fun. People should do anything that makes them happy. Even if it is generated, (I had no idea that was possible...) people still might have fun. I see it this way; You don't have to look at their pixel art, you do not have to promote it, but you should not despise a simple way to show your creativity. You enjoy Minecraft for other reasons. We do not criticize you for it. Relax and let people do what they want to do. If you think about it, they are doing everything that you do. Just in a different form. Social statures should not be set by one person. That is the basis of democracy. Anyone can think whatever they want to think and no one is there to tell them they are stupid and wrong to believe so. In earlier times, people criticized painting and drawing. Now look what it has become. I bet you have both painted and drawn. No one restricts you from that. It would be wrong and unjust to do so. Therefore, let people do whatever, they have the right.

Look, LOOK, FUDGING LOOK. We as a minecraft society play minecraft because minecraft is a large, random, FREE, world. I can make ANYTHING I want on minecraft and nobody can limit the amount of publicity it gets. Planet minecraft is le best place to post my pixel art work and I wouldn't have come to PMC if it wasn't for the idea of posting ANYTHING minecraft related. KSO, this idea is not your best.

Just saying: pixel art is useless

Meh, I don't like pixel art.
IF I had the power to ban it, would I?
No.
Even if people cheat, I fail to see the point.
Using CreeperCarole's closing data as a basis:
What is the difference between a Level 1 Miner and a Level 500 Miner?
One person had a decent idea, and people liked it.
I could take pixelated apples, and slap them on a pixelated stick, and rub pixelated caramel, and post it on PMC, and people could like it, and I could get hundreds of levels.
And what have I gained?
A website for a video game that will most likely be gone before the decade ends has me on a high rank that proves nothing.
i cud tak liek dis, and be level 9001, and would anyone respect me?
Unlikely.
What should matter is that YOU feel that YOU have contributed, and YOU feel proud.
The people who use exterior programs, what of it?
Do they feel proud of what the program did in under 10 seconds.
Unlikely.
((Also CreeperCarole, I believe the big difference between MCEdit/WorldEdit/Etc in most minds is that those devices take a while to learn fully, and takes moderate-large effort to utilize))
I know a person who is, like, level 10, and I think he is a very intelligent and respectable person.
I know a person who was once JUST like that person, then became excessively popular, and I respect them just as I respect the level 10 Miner.
Which one do I like better?
The Level 10 Miner, because the excessively popular one either became to busy and couldn't really do anything that I was involved with, because they were trying to stay popular.
I used to try to become popular on this site, and I tried various methods, and it wasn't working out so I became angry and unofficially left for a time being.
In that time being, I discovered, "Why in Sam's Name do I even care!?"
Why would I want to be popular in a virtual reality, or a related existence.
Why would I want people who I would pretty much never meet and get to know be begging for more from me?
So I ask this, why do you want the people who "cheat" to stop?
Is it because you want them to feel better about their lives and are afraid they might spiral into a deep dark depression because they stop feeling proud about themselves?
I am pretty sure that you don't.
I am pretty sure it is because YOU want to be on the popular reel.
And to that I say: "Who Really Cares?"
This entire website, all of Minecraft will, most likely, be gone in 5-10 years.
And if not, computers will change, and Minecraft won't run anymore, so it only lived a SLIGHTLY longer life, and this website would be unneeded, and all of your achievements would be lost for ever, and all of the people who cheat's achievements will be gone.
So why?
Why do you really care?

let's face reality here: all MC builds are pixel art. All of 'em. some are 2D, some are 3D. You make them out of little cubes. Therefore: pixel art.

if you say "no pixel art" the next step is "no builds unless they're redstone." I don't see anyone proposing no noteblock schematics, even though you can import them through a 3rd party program. You can also make all your builds with MCEdit or other world editors.

There are those people who will cheat. And there are those people who will do the work painstakingly, block by block. At the end of the day, who really cares? Are you concerned that people who "cheated" are getting xp? The xp doesn't mean anything. Diamonds don't mean anything. Does it lessen the value of YOUR diamonds if someone who cheated got some as well?

Just do what YOU enjoy, and let people do what THEY enjoy. And if you don't want to look at pixel art... don't.

I grew here from posting pixel art. I would hate to see it taken away.

Okay I have two things to say here:

• 1. To the haters, calm down. He is just proposing an idea, not declaring war.
• 2. To
• brandman
• , I don't really like the idea. Pixel art is a big part of the minecraft community. It would not be right to ban it. I would rather maybe see something like a seperate section or something.

Hey, have you seen my BLOG? it pretty much tells you how to distinguish between fake and real.

I have. It was educational to most, but I kinda knew everything that you had to tell.
Also, your blog doesn't really relate to this discussion. We're discussing wether or not to ban it altogether, rather than tell wether or not it's fake.

WolfOfDoom

NobSwitch
Hey, have you seen my BLOG? it pretty much tells you how to distinguish between fake and real.

No, I haven't. I'll check later, as I tend to avoid blogs all together ;3

I've just posted it a few hours ago, It's on the pop reel, I suggest you do read it.

NobSwitch
Hey, have you seen my BLOG? it pretty much tells you how to distinguish between fake and real.

No, I haven't. I'll check later, as I tend to avoid blogs all together ;3

WolfOfDoom

Animatrix[quote="WolfOfDoom"
Also, how are they supposed to submit evidence? If it's a tick-box like in contests, they'll just skip the box and post. It causes an inconvinience for those that do it legit, which is most people.
Again, I completely disagree with this.

I wouldn't know to be honest, that's why I left it open to discussion. As for causing an inconvenience, that's what I'm trying to avoid, at least to an extent. Again, I would want the proof to be user friendly and somewhat easy to upload. Of course, there's always the option to do nothing, as the report system we have in place now works fine as long as users show proper proof that the pixel art was made with a program. But that is yet another problem, as there's no easy way of telling if someone made a pixel art submission with a 3rd party program that I know of. That's why I asked in my previous post for others to post their process of determining if a pixel art submission is legitimate or not.

Touche.

Even though that's a reason not to ban pixel art, that's not the reason I want to get across.

Like posted above, and on page 1, it prohibits creativity.[/quote]
I understand the reason you're trying to get across. And I couldn't agree with your more, however, I'm just trying to assess the situation at hand (How we can stop the illegitimate pixel art/submissions). I'm simply trying to come up with an easy way of determining a if pixel art is legitimate, or an easy way of supplying proof that it's legitimate.[/quote]


Hey, have you seen my BLOG? it pretty much tells you how to distinguish between fake and real.

I wouldn't know to be honest, that's why I left it open to discussion. As for causing an inconvenience, that's what I'm trying to avoid, at least to an extent. Again, I would want the proof to be user friendly and somewhat easy to upload. Of course, there's always the option to do nothing, as the report system we have in place now works fine as long as users show proper proof that the pixel art was made with a program. But that is yet another problem, as there's no easy way of telling if someone made a pixel art submission with a 3rd party program that I know of. That's why I asked in my previous post for others to post their process of determining if a pixel art submission is legitimate or not.
Touche.

Even though that's a reason not to ban pixel art, that's not the reason I want to get across.

Like posted above, and on page 1, it prohibits creativity.
I understand the reason you're trying to get across. And I couldn't agree with your more, however, I'm just trying to assess the situation at hand (How we can stop the illegitimate pixel art/submissions). I'm simply trying to come up with an easy way of determining a if pixel art is legitimate, or an easy way of supplying proof that it's legitimate.

And I'm not contradicting you otherwise. I actually rather like your suggestions, they bring out possible ways to improve the site.

Animatrix

WolfOfDoom

Animatrix
Also, how are they supposed to submit evidence? If it's a tick-box like in contests, they'll just skip the box and post. It causes an inconvinience for those that do it legit, which is most people.
Again, I completely disagree with this.

I wouldn't know to be honest, that's why I left it open to discussion. As for causing an inconvenience, that's what I'm trying to avoid, at least to an extent. Again, I would want the proof to be user friendly and somewhat easy to upload. Of course, there's always the option to do nothing, as the report system we have in place now works fine as long as users show proper proof that the pixel art was made with a program. But that is yet another problem, as there's no easy way of telling if someone made a pixel art submission with a 3rd party program that I know of. That's why I asked in my previous post for others to post their process of determining if a pixel art submission is legitimate or not.

Touche.

Even though that's a reason not to ban pixel art, that's not the reason I want to get across.

Like posted above, and on page 1, it prohibits creativity.

I understand the reason you're trying to get across. And I couldn't agree with your statements/opinions more, however, I'm just trying to assess the situation at hand (How we can stop the illegitimate pixel art/submissions). I'm simply trying to come up with an easy way of determining a if pixel art is legitimate, or an easy way of supplying proof that it's legitimate.

Not trying to be Modest, but was this inspired by my Blog? ANyways, down to Business.


First of all, I see EXACTLY where your coming from, The pixel art programs are a massive program, but I don't think they should be banned entirely, I mean, the Moderators take care of these things quite well, although, Cyprezz COULD
implement Pixel Art Police or something, people who can tell the difference between the two and they would decide wether it's imported or not.

Secondly, It's not going to be banned, I like Pixel art, and so does 95% of the minecraft population, but good idea. I might subscribe to you.

WolfOfDoom

Animatrix
Also, how are they supposed to submit evidence? If it's a tick-box like in contests, they'll just skip the box and post. It causes an inconvinience for those that do it legit, which is most people.
Again, I completely disagree with this.

I wouldn't know to be honest, that's why I left it open to discussion. As for causing an inconvenience, that's what I'm trying to avoid, at least to an extent. Again, I would want the proof to be user friendly and somewhat easy to upload. Of course, there's always the option to do nothing, as the report system we have in place now works fine as long as users show proper proof that the pixel art was made with a program. But that is yet another problem, as there's no easy way of telling if someone made a pixel art submission with a 3rd party program that I know of. That's why I asked in my previous post for others to post their process of determining if a pixel art submission is legitimate or not.

Touche.

Even though that's a reason not to ban pixel art, that's not the reason I want to get across.

Like posted above, and on page 1, it prohibits creativity.

Animatrix
Also, how are they supposed to submit evidence? If it's a tick-box like in contests, they'll just skip the box and post. It causes an inconvinience for those that do it legit, which is most people.
Again, I completely disagree with this.

I wouldn't know to be honest, that's why I left it open to discussion. As for causing an inconvenience, that's what I'm trying to avoid, at least to an extent. Again, I would want the proof to be user friendly and somewhat easy to upload. Of course, there's always the option to do nothing, as the report system we have in place now works fine as long as users show proper proof that the pixel art was made with a program. But that is yet another problem, as there's no easy way of telling if someone made a pixel art submission with a 3rd party program that I know of. That's why I asked in my previous post for others to post their process of determining if a pixel art submission is legitimate or not.

I feel the need to post again.

You do understand that people do art to either challenge themselves, make something their proud of, or to get feelings out in a material form? I don't write poetry for XP, nor for "popularity". I do it so that I can get what I am feeling out in a way that won't destroy people's opinion of me. I have 2 friends that do pixel art, and they don't do it for PMC fame, or XP, or whatever else they might gain from it. They do it so that, nomatter how small the art is, they can finish with a smile on their faces.

To take away the opportunity to share your creation is almost violating human freedom.

I understand there is a small problem on this site regarding generated pixel art, but banning it outright isn't helping the situation. Also, how are they supposed to submit evidence? If it's a tick-box like in contests, they'll just skip the box and post. It causes an inconvinience for those that do it legit, which is most people.
Again, I completely disagree with this.

I disagree with the idea for a few reasons, which have been said in previous posts (Restricting PMC's creativeness and what not). But I think rather than banning it outright, and suffering all the possible cons of doing so, we should just make a requirement for users to upload proof when submitting pixel art (Making a requirement such as this is obviously going to take some time, a bit more thinking, and what, but that's the basic idea). Just my opinion and thoughts on the subject, anyways.

That being said, perhaps we can discuss ideas on what type of proof you would have to upload? Obviously, not everyone can make time lapses or videos, so it would have to be user friendly and somewhat easy to upload. Perhaps some moderators/users can post on here and describe how they determine a submission/pixel art was created with a third party tool? Quite a lot of work for just one category of this site, if you ask me. Besides that point, hope to see this thread lead to an implementation of some kind of requirement for pixel art.

Peri_RawesomeI think it should be banned too, I don't really see why, like brand man says, they don't just do pixel art in paint. I don't see that it serves any purpose what so ever in minecraft, or on PMC.

Well, some people use it to express creativeness, themselves, etc. That's a great purpose for having it, in my opinion :3

Are you out of your mind? 3D art and 2D art are same thing, basically. Both express artistic things, like color, and 2D is probably harder than 3D. Painting a wool pic takes quite the skill.

I think it should be banned too, I don't really see why, like brand man says, they don't just do pixel art in paint. I don't see that it serves any purpose what so ever in minecraft, or on PMC.

This is stupid.So what somebody else is using something else?There is some people who don't you know.They did nothing,and you want pixel art banished?I don't think this will every go through.

I agree that computer generated pixel-art is pretty stupid, but there's really no way to stop that, besides doing what you said, which in my opinion is a pretty stupid idea, no offense. Banning pixel art is a bit extreme.

I agree with you, but instead of banning it, we should give it it's own tab, and not mix it with projects.

I personally don't like the idea. The goal is to stop people who break rules/don't put any effort into stuff without affecting anyone who does (or by affecting them to an extremely small degree). This doesn't accomplish that goal. It's a meh idea to begin with, and the other negative responses sort of reinforce the idea that it's not the best.

I mean, I've always thought projects should be an area for true PROJECTS to be posted, like custom maps or cities or mansions and such, not houses or little tiny things, but those do belong in the projects section, and so does pixel art.

How about this?
http://www.planetminecraft.com/blog/pixel-art-01/

brandman
Come on, please leave thoughtful responses, not flame me and leave.

^^ This, if you can't explain why you dislike this idea then posting against it won't do any good. If you explain why you disagree we can see your points and have a decent discussion about the pros and cons of the idea.

Hahahaha stupidest idea ever. SO stupid i actually clicked on it when i saw the title. You're out of your mind

I don't like the idea.

PalaeosMy reason for this is because of the great amount of pixel art that is done legitimately.

I agree with you as well, and I would have to say that this is the biggest con, and I did take that into consideration before creating this thread. Again I don't see how legit ones outweigh the bad created from allowing pixel art, but I can understand how that would P people off. It's really hard to compromise, and the way I see it, it's all or nothing (for the most part).

But I'm sure Cyprezz may be happier with freed up memory, whether that would affect him at all idk, as I don't know how he hosts.

While I agree that the computer generated pixel art is really bad, and hard to prove it's not generated I'd rather we didn't ban pixel art. My reason for this is because of the great amount of pixel art that is done legitimately. This is similar to saying ban skins because of thieves and people who use part pickers, even though it's a bit of a stretch and not what you had meant.
Not to mention pixel art is one of the things I do well in MC.

Also just as there are program's to generate 2D pixel art from a blueprint in MC there is a similar thing for 3D works although it's not as common and a lot harder to prove/figure out it's being done.

I agree, with Animatrix.

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I think that prohibiting someone's creativity is bordering breaking the human right of freedom. If someone were to ban all poetry, due to people aleady rhyming words before you, I'd fight for my right to get it back. It's much the same here.

I disagree 100%