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Input onto new forum structure

20 emeralds 76 replies 1,767 views | started 10/23/2017 4:55 pm by Ralex
Greeting PMC forums users!

As time has progressed, we are aware that the current structure of our forum is both lacking and ineffective in both usability and clarity. We have sat down long and hard at looking at how to restructure the forums in order to make the navigation and classification of the threads easier to find, and to bring the content you want to see first.

As such, we are looking for your own inputs into the structure.

A few ground rules about this though, so you do not get carried away:

A) This will likely be a full forum restructure, so do not expect anything to stay outright. If there's no value that we can see, expect it to disappear.

B) We do not need a full structure from users. If you only want to offer a suggestion for a part, feel free!

C) This would only be a structure change. Actual functionality of the forum is not changing. We will not change how threads look, but will change how they are grouped.

D) This change will result in a rules change in order to address the new structure. Just because the rules say you can or can't do it now does not mean it will not change. You can suggest rule changes if they are fitting with the new structure.

So give us your ideas and thoughts about the forum structure! What works, what doesn't, what would you change if you could?
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Ralex
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11/13/2017 11:05 pm
Level 9 Apprentice Dragon
1blackhawk
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We should change how you bump your forum thread. Maybe you could make it so anyone except yourself can bump your thread.
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11/14/2017 11:38 am
Level 51 Grandmaster Mlem Mlem Bat
Karrthus
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that would turn into crazy spam
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11/14/2017 11:51 am
Level 9 Apprentice Dragon
1blackhawk
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How. Everyone bumps their own thread, so if we modified that so only other people can bump your thread, that would take away needless, pointless, idiotic threads. I've seen a thread with more than 300 replies, and more than 200 were from the person who made it. And as a result, that thread was in the PMC forum activity for more than 3 weeks straight.
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11/07/2017 6:49 pm
Level 11 Journeyman Ranger
TheFedoraLord20
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"Wanna join my server?" has to go.
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11/08/2017 9:19 am
Level 51 Grandmaster Mlem Mlem Bat
Karrthus
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when we tweak the rules i think we should have a look at formats and/or guidelines for how people post their server threads
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11/07/2017 7:10 pm
Level 23 Expert Network
Nightshade73
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Wanna join MY server? ;))))
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11/07/2017 12:10 pm
Level 33 Artisan Fish
CHorse
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Make it so I can find MY posts again. I don't like having to click on forums then realizing I have to go back to my profile agains to look at the posts I've been in.
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11/07/2017 6:14 pm
Level 81 Elite Scapegoat
Paril
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Coming soon, yes.
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11/07/2017 1:24 pm
Level 25 Expert Pokemon
JediJerboa
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I know right? I said the same thing!
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11/07/2017 2:50 pm
Level 33 Artisan Fish
CHorse
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Duz dat mean we're 'great minds'?
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11/07/2017 2:55 pm
Level 7 Apprentice Network
granmasboy99
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As said by many others, I wholeheartedly agree in the sense that server posts need to be completely removed from the equation in the forums. I think PMC Forums still have a use these days, but for those that are posting, their posts won't get seen at all because of the constant spam of servers that 9/10 people are 100% uninterested in joining. Keep the servers under the server page, not in the forums that were designed for a complete different use.
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11/07/2017 9:31 am
Level 25 Expert Pokemon
JediJerboa
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I would like my search function back. I don't like spending 20 minutes sorting through my 900 posts to find what I'm looking for. It's making transferring info from my sci-fi thread a real pain.
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11/07/2017 6:17 pm
Level 81 Elite Scapegoat
Paril
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A more powerful search is on the list, but it's gonna be a while. Searching is a pain to implement. I have a rudamentary system working, but I didn't want to put too much energy into a MySQL searching engine if we're going to push it all to solr in the future, which will allow for advanced features like "search for my posts between January and June with "sci fi" in the title".
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11/08/2017 12:03 am
Level 25 Expert Pokemon
JediJerboa
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Thank you for the update. It's definitely going to make my life easier.
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11/06/2017 11:13 pm
Level 23 Expert Explorer
Nii-chan
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My honest opinion is to just straight up remove these forums since 1) nobody uses them and 2) when they are it's nothing but server ads.

Waited for two and a half years to get a new forums and it's worse than it was before. You'd be better off just focusing all the resources just for the uploads of maps and such (probably should also remove Blogs while you're at it).

Game's dead and if anyone new or old came they'd most likely go to MCF.
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11/07/2017 11:45 am
Level 22 Expert Blockhead
Nitwick
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1) the forums are frequently used, you apparently have not paid attention.
2) your vision is skewed by the fact that the forum throws every thread created onto the front page, and the bulk happens to be servers. It does not mean other threads aren't there, simply that you have to search for them.
3) Where's my salt emoji?
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11/07/2017 12:56 pm
Level 23 Expert Explorer
Nii-chan
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1) 2 non-server related posts a day on a site of two million does not an active forum make
2) A cursory glance of any section will net you at least 1/3rd server-related topics
3) Try Twitch.
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11/07/2017 3:16 am
Level 81 Elite Scapegoat
Paril
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With almost 8 years of content, it's a bit of a stiff decision to "straight up remove". Not much is gained by removing something that people do use. Admittedly, they aren't used as much as I want them to be, but they are still being used quite heavily, and as such there is still a reason for keeping this alive.

Server advertisements are definitely a problem, and I agree whole-heartedly that we need to figure out a way to keep them from being the only thing people see. The fact that so many new servers pop up there is kind of nice, in my opinion, but it's not fun to see only servers on your feed when you have no interest in joining them. For that reason, you can unfollow that category, and you'll never have to see them again; I didn't understand why this argument came up since I had unfollowed it from the beginning of the new forums, but I definitely see it now. We're going to see what we can do about that.

Same deal with removing blogs. There's a ton of good content there, and contests for blogs do quite well. No good reason for doing so.

Game's not dead; Minecraft is an enigma in that it's had so many peaks over the years. I don't think it'll be dead any time soon. If it had died, I wouldn't have a job any more.
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11/08/2017 7:06 am
Level 56 Grandmaster Princess
Havingfun_ISKEY
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I agree with most of this, but, what's your definition of "quite well"? The past two blog contests or so got less than 100 entries. Even for a non-skin contest, and considering it's 2017, it's still kind of sad, to be honest.
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11/07/2017 10:07 am
Level 15 Journeyman Geek
xXGothicXx
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I agree.
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11/07/2017 8:29 am
Level 23 Expert Explorer
Nii-chan
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Server advertisements are definitely a problem, and I agree whole-heartedly that we need to figure out a way to keep them from being the only thing people see.

Setting Table of Contents as the front would be a good start instead of Trending.

Game's not dead; Minecraft is an enigma in that it's had so many peaks over the years. I don't think it'll be dead any time soon. If it had died, I wouldn't have a job any more.

I'm not talking about dead dead because the Game has a lot of content, but in the same way that World of Warcraft is not quite as alive as it was back during Burning Crusades. The community is not as it once was and the game is not as it used to be albeit that 1.12 did do a lot of good for the game, other titles have come to take its place.
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11/07/2017 12:21 am
Level 15 Journeyman Geek
xXGothicXx
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As much has all the server adds bug me, I must disagree, I think the forums are a great way for the players to talk, since no one is ever on chat and it's always down. I feel server adds however should be put into a different area, not the forum, because A, they are extremely annoying, and B, they flood the forums. I also do agree though, that yes, they should focus on maps and better ways for the more popular things, and to be honest, get rid of blogs, they are never used.
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11/07/2017 1:30 am
Level 81 Elite Scapegoat
Paril
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Chat's been down like three times in the past few months, and they've all been fairly recent & caught quickly.
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11/07/2017 12:03 am
Level 42 Master Blockhead
LeeTheENTP
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Across all platforms, Minecraft has sold 122 million copies, 16 million of which were sold this year. As of February, Minecraft has averaged about 55 million monthly players - that means 45% of purchases are being used on a monthly basis. Those figures should be expected to grow as the killer cross-play feature expands to more platforms.

The game's far from dead.
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10/29/2017 4:07 pm
Level 16 Journeyman Architect
PixelNinja112
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Also, what if there was a karma-like system where you lose xp for reported and deleted replies, so that it's not possible to spam posts for xp, because they'll lose xp instead of gaining.
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11/07/2017 11:43 am
Level 51 Grandmaster Mlem Mlem Bat
Karrthus
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you do loose exp from having your thread/post if you spam threads for exp karrthus will have ya
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10/29/2017 5:44 pm
Level 10 Journeyman Engineer
Kequo
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I somewhat agree.

I'd like to see a module on profiles that show how many approved reports a username has made. That way someone can show off how much they're helping the community.
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11/07/2017 11:45 am
Level 51 Grandmaster Mlem Mlem Bat
Karrthus
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if the count started from now there would be like three people with these numbers on their profile, people do not activity report things which makes it harder for us as staff to find everything
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10/26/2017 9:45 pm
Level 16 Journeyman Architect
PixelNinja112
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In my opinion the should enlarge the size of replies, because currently they feel more like comments than replies, which is the main thing I don't like.

Also it would be nice to be able to see a short excerpt from the original post in the sidebar, like you used to be able to, or if not by hovering over it should be visible.
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11/07/2017 3:18 am
Level 81 Elite Scapegoat
Paril
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I'll think about the first part. The only reason they are the size they are is for consistency with the site & submissions. We wanted them to feel like they were part of the same website (and potentially re-use this code for the submission comments in the future).

I like the idea about the excerpt; I don't remember that being there in phpBB.
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10/27/2017 9:33 am
Level 21 Expert Network
SwanCraftMC
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Replies have been bugging me and I didn't know why. Now I know why. xD They do indeed feel like comments. It doesn't really have that discussion feel.
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10/27/2017 6:09 pm
Level 22 Expert Blockhead
Nitwick
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Amen to that. One of my core complaints with the system.
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10/27/2017 2:26 am
Level 20 Expert Button Pusher
Cib Plays
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Totally
10/27/2017 6:49 pm
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11/07/2017 3:17 am
Level 81 Elite Scapegoat
Paril
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You can; that's what favoriting is for.

The poll thing is intentional, to prevent users from skewing the results. You can't rename existing options or delete them without wiping the votes. You can, however, re-organize or add new options without wiping them.
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10/29/2017 3:56 pm
Level 16 Journeyman Architect
PixelNinja112
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You can favorite threads, which is basically the same thing as pinning them.
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10/29/2017 3:59 pm
Level 20 Expert Dragonborn
GoggleD0GG
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But what if I'm too lazy?
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10/26/2017 4:05 pm
Level 20 Expert Button Pusher
Cib Plays
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The forums need icons like the site menu for sections such as Table of Contents. This would make it easier for members particularly new members to find what they're looking for.

On a separate note, I personally would like to see the "Your Posts" section added back in from before. For people who don't know this section only contained posts you've replied to or created.

I already know there's a section where you can edit what appears in your feed but it needs to be simplified and made obvious.

I also think the following sub-forums should be added.

- Build Teams
- Hiring Staff (Servers)
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10/26/2017 4:16 pm
Level 20 Expert Button Pusher
Cib Plays
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If we want to make the forums simple and clean, I suggest that the Table of Contents is to be added back as the default front page of the forums. The sub-menu on the right hand side of the page is just
annoying.

I also think that a Personal Feed and Your Posts section tabs should be added in place of the Trending, New , Active and Best tabs at the top of the forum front page.
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11/07/2017 6:21 pm
Level 81 Elite Scapegoat
Paril
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Sort stuff is the top blue tabs, just like everywhere else on the site. Section is in the white dropdown, which personal feed is there; your posts isn't yet, though.
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10/26/2017 12:14 pm
Level 21 Expert Network
SwanCraftMC
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As many have said starting on a table of contents rather than a list of random threads would be lovely. I don't use the forums often, but when I do I have trouble navigating and finding the topic that I want. The Start New Thread is in an awkward location and hard to find. It's intuitive for people to look above the actual thread list for the button, instead of on the sidebar. In my opinion, side bars should not be used for main functionality of a website.
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10/27/2017 10:10 am
Level 10 Journeyman Engineer
Kequo
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I completely agree. As it is currently, it's a mess and is unorganised. I know I may get crap for this, but I'm more of a person who likes things neat and tidy.

Yes, it's something the general community can get used to. However, newcomers tend to get confused by how our current forums work and function due to the current structure.
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10/24/2017 10:16 am
Level 51 Grandmaster Mlem Mlem Bat
Karrthus
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we have talked about things like this, but i might as well put my comments here so we can access them all and the community can see some of the stuff we mentioned

one of the main things we need, aside from how the forums actually layout etc this thread was more for sorting out the sections before we look at the actual forum layout

we need something somewhere that tells people how the forums work, explain to them what each tab does, how to get their threads up to the top in them.

we need to sort out our sections, lots of them are unused or used incorrectly: for example communities/roleplay is used for forum roleplays only, however people use them to recruit for roleplays offsite and there is nowhere to recruit for them, one would assume /teams however that is under minecraft and people would assume it is for minecraft related teams only, which means we should see if we can move /teams to a non minecraft related section in order to accommodate for all recruitment

the hub section is now being used incorrectly as well, it is being used to advertise discord servers which we don't want, we wanted to regulate where discord servers were posted (minecraft servers and teams only, but this can be discussed)


communities/games is a dead section, nobody has played forum games for a long time, and the section is misused to advertise for other things

for sections that are used, we need to have guidelines in place to say "this is what you post in this section" so then people have no excuse to post in incorrect sections. We are aware that the server section does take over however it is one of the few sections that is used correctly in most places.
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10/25/2017 12:18 pm
Level 51 Grandmaster Mlem Mlem Bat
Karrthus
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one more thing

(this is more directed towards the community), a new forum structure is all well and good, however as currently the most active forum mod we also need more members to work alongside us and report things, we have hardly any members that report topics, so many other people just comment on the thread telling the poster that they need to take the thread down etc, people need to report threads, especially high offending ones that contain sensitive/inappropriate content, i cannot see your comments on the offending threads, you need to report them.
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10/26/2017 4:18 pm
Level 20 Expert Button Pusher
Cib Plays
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Karrthus I will be happy to report posts to help out the moderators. I do currently but I admit that I should help more since I have the time.
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10/25/2017 7:00 am
Level 51 Grandmaster Mlem Mlem Bat
Karrthus
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I would like to add on to this that we should think about the YouTube section as well, it usually becomes cluttered by one or two people who are doing a new series and trying to promote themselves, however this is unfair on other people who want to use it, i think we should look at trying to enforce you-tubers to only have a single thread to promote their work on
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10/25/2017 9:48 am
Level 10 Journeyman Engineer
Kequo
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Perhaps also enforcing that in the other sections as well, including the servers? As it seems that's where most the massive flow of recently posted topics come from. This is in terms of people re-creating the same thread to advertise their server. I also am finding lots of misleading threads.

An example: "Looking for staff!"

- User only displays IP.

This can be rather annoying to have threads that are short and pointless, as in some cases people tend to do it for the experience points.
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10/23/2017 9:05 pm
Level 50 Grandmaster Grump
Azie
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I want the option to start on the Table of Contents and have recent threads in a list on the side like it was before. The recent threads list is hardly relevant for me most of the time since it seems to be flooded with server ads and other recruitment. I'm aware that you can exclude certain sections from that feed yourself, but it seems to never save my settings when I change it and I've just given up on changing them again.
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11/07/2017 3:19 am
Level 81 Elite Scapegoat
Paril
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User settings were broken after launch for a while, but it's been fixed. I've unsubbed from servers for a long time.
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10/24/2017 12:42 am
Level 50 Grandmaster Fox
Foxy
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Agreed. Recents are a nice place to visit but the Table of Contents made more sense as the front page, and not everybody notices it's there.
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10/24/2017 8:54 am
Level 10 Journeyman Engineer
Kequo
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An actual front page displaying all the sections and recently posted threads under each section would be a nice start. It's organised rather than spitting out all your threads, even if it's under a certain topic category.
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10/24/2017 8:22 am
Level 22 Expert Blockhead
Nitwick
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There's suggestions, but without a few functionality changes, I don't really see the point. One of my core complaints is the way threads look, some of my suggestions include how the forum functions, and then the table of contents has already been suggested.

In short, meh.
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10/24/2017 4:05 am
Level 31 Artisan Button Pusher
Mercer
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I really miss the "View your posts" feature. It if I post anything I can't follow up on it if I don't remember the thread name. I'd love if something like that was re-implemented.
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11/07/2017 3:19 am
Level 81 Elite Scapegoat
Paril
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I will add a method of getting there from the forums themselves.
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10/24/2017 8:25 am
Level 22 Expert Blockhead
Nitwick
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You can go to your profile, hover over the "forum discussion" tab, and click on the button that says "<number of posts here> Posts". The feature never left, though a few less button clicks would be nice.
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10/24/2017 9:28 am
Level 31 Artisan Button Pusher
Mercer
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Oh! I didn't know that, cheers!
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10/24/2017 6:56 am
Level 9 Apprentice Mage
AtomStation
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Here's an idea that could be pretty cool. Perhaps each user could be able to customize what they see on the sidebar (as well as possibly other things), meaning that beyond just all recent PMC forum activity on appearing on the right, users would be able to add certain topics that they want to the side so they could always have a recent forum activity under a specific topic without needing to go to the table of contents. For example, if this were to be implemented, I would be able to add, say, a tab for servers, news, and games.

Thought it'd be cool!
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11/07/2017 6:21 pm
Level 81 Elite Scapegoat
Paril
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They can, ´╗┐kind of´╗┐. By unfollowing stuff you don't want to see, you'll get a more specific front page for the forums, but it won't affect the sidebar. I agree that the sidebar should be affected by this too.

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