Lift the ban on Server Talk in the Lobby

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Ticket #3746
Opened by: CraftyFoxe
Status: Open
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4/17/17 8:17 pm 4/17/17 8:17 pm
For a long time there's been a ban about server talk in the lobby, but people in the server hall are the only ones who talk about Minecraft anymore. If we lift the ban on server talk in the main room, there will be a more active community / chat. Minecraft should have a larger focus in the chatroom.

21 replies

1
09/10/2019 8:37 pm
Level 4 : Apprentice Miner
Stizz
This should happen rn tbh. It's really annoying getting muted or anything if you even say the word server.
1
08/28/2019 5:47 pmhistory
Level 18 : Journeyman Prince
YourFriendAsriel
If been banned permantly from lobby and server hall
and wanted to ask if i could fill in a ticket
1
06/28/2017 9:36 pm
Level 62 : High Grandmaster Modder
jtrent238
I been banned for the entire thing just wish i could be uinbanned.
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06/28/2017 9:01 pm
Level 43 : Master Architect
LightlySaltedBuilder
Maybe you could just ban server advertising, but allow server talk.
1
05/01/2017 6:31 pm
Level 27 : Expert Musician
Autumn Fyre
Not a good idea because the lobby would end up filled with spam (such as trash-talk/complaints about bad experiences, people asking for opinions, ideas, etc and even "this-is-what-I-did-on-my-sever-today" type stuff).

However, I also agree with Palaeos - if some clear cuts could be made between sever talk and advertising, this could turn out quite nicely!
1
06/28/2017 9:02 pm
Level 43 : Master Architect
LightlySaltedBuilder
Isn't that what chat is for?
1
05/10/2017 8:09 am
Level 74 : Legendary Fox
CraftyFoxe
How is people asking for opinions, ideas, etc considered spam?
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05/11/2017 7:21 pm
Level 27 : Expert Musician
Autumn Fyre
Well a little of it wouldn't be, but it could quickly dominate the chat. Have you ever noticed how many forum posts there are asking for ideas, opinions, etc? I feel like these should stay in the forums.
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05/11/2017 8:44 pm
Level 10 : Journeyman Network
Ralex
It could, but that's why mods exist as well.

MCF runs a chat as well, and it's got a very open-ended #chat, that's in effect "keep it appropriate, no server ads." and it's played out pretty well. There's still not too much server talk, but there's still quite a bit of discussion going on.

The "fear" that it's going to dominate I personally think is exaggerated. There's not much evidence to really say it actually will, just "it could"s
1
04/29/2017 8:30 pm
Level 55 : Grandmaster Cyborg
Pepijn
An annoying problem is that it's hard to just try this out since it involves a policy change. You can speculate all you want, but you can never be certain. Keep in mind though that the current no server talk policy was implemented for a reason. Of course that was done at a time when chat was busier however.

From what I understand is that chat is eventually going to be sort of sitewide (?) which will probably increase the activity of chat again, so that should maybe be considered as well.
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04/28/2017 11:31 am
Level 62 : High Grandmaster Sweetheart
Myraaa
I actually like this, especially because the only people that are ever in server hall are there to advertise. You can't find help in there. If server talk (excluding advertising, obviously) was allowed in the main lobby, it could be helpful for a lot of people.
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05/01/2017 6:32 pm
Level 27 : Expert Musician
Autumn Fyre
That's true!
1
04/26/2017 6:05 pm
Level 61 : High Grandmaster Princess
Havingfun_ISKEY
Server hall shouldn't be the default lobby. As said before by other people, most people come onto PMC chat to talk in the general lobby anyways, and it would quickly become annoying for people who aren't interested in servers. It's the members' fault if they don't read the rules.
1
04/26/2017 5:54 pm
Level 10 : Journeyman Network
Ralex
#chat implies that most topics are acceptable. #serverhall *to me* is not clear at all about it's meaning, and I can easily see it being just a place to advertise servers.

What is wrong with generic server chat in #chat? As long as it doesn't descend into advertisements, it's still chat effectively. It doesn't really make sense to me that such a limit should be made on chat. It's effectively like calling it "off-topic" chat because you can't talk about MC, because Server Hall is there for it.
1
04/26/2017 8:43 pm
Level 74 : Legendary Fox
CraftyFoxe
I agree that general server chat should be allowed in the Lobby and not outright server advertising with IPs. Like a conversation can actually happen where we can discuss the minecraft community in depth. Some people aren't looking for a server, but they just want to talk about stuff.

No server talk rule should be changed to No server advertising. And this is usually the policy of actual servers talking about other servers. As long as they don't say the IP/ direct link to server website , its not advertising.
1
04/29/2017 10:48 pm
Level 57 : Grandmaster Turtle
Palaeos
If we were to change policy on this it would have to be clear where the line between talk ends and advertising begins, there is always going to be that one guy who wants to push and see how far he can talk about his server before it being considered advertising by the rules. I can see a new tactic of advertising being a guy who joins chat just to tell us he is going to play on his server if we don't consider it advertising.

I'm open to the changes so long as the boundaries are clear from the start.
1
04/25/2017 1:50 pm
Level 71 : Legendary Gent
Zitzabis
Lobby is a topic neutral ground where it can then split topics out from it. Hence why we have server hall as a location to speak in, and lobby is the default. People don't come to chat for server talk, they come for chatting. So the Lobby is the best default.

If server hall is the only place that talks about MC, then people can go there. But chat is not about talking about MC, but instead...chatting.

There are more people looking for non-server than server talk, and as server talk mostly consists for plugin troubleshooting or spamming your server IP, it's best to designate it to it's own room so that people can go there if they need that stuff.
It is unwise to make people have to move to another room to avoid that kind of clutter, instead it should work where people can move to another room if they want that clutter.
1
04/25/2017 1:40 pm
Level 10 : Journeyman Network
Ralex
"Server talk" is very generic. It would make sense that some talk about servers be okay, but not to the point where it's going into advertisement.

"I want to run a server, what could I look for in regards to X" would make sense in chat.
1
04/21/2017 10:26 pm
Level 74 : Legendary Fox
CraftyFoxe
Another way to fix it is to make Server Hall the default room instead of Lobby. So people who aren't particularly interested in servers go to another room.

You know how many countless people first come on to chat only to get infracted to chat for server talk everyday. That would fix it.
1
04/25/2017 12:33 pm
Level 46 : Master Bunny
akashi
most people come into chat to talk in the lobby, also those people who come on first should read the rules as it clearly states no server talk in the lobby.
1
04/21/2017 10:04 pm
Level 19 : Journeyman Unicorn
Elliemination
Disagree. Sorry ):

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