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imo staff is useless servers only really need like a ratio of like 1 admin per like 10-15 daily active players.

I agree, just because because someone wants there server to run a certain way, your not proving your mature enough.

Other way, I would just be a nice and active person and that might change everything, including the requirement.

zeno410Somebody who's articulate, polite, and self-controlled can almost always get a waiver.

No, not really...

Age restrictions aren't enforceable, because you can't normally know how old somebody is. But they are a useful guideline. You could always try talking to admins about their age policy. Somebody who's articulate, polite, and self-controlled can almost always get a waiver.

True, but servers are different in quite a bit of ways. Firstly (relating to this topic), they don't know the age of most people on server (usually). Unless they're a super-pedo (or just a kind guy), they don't know the person's age. They might be a friend of their's or something, but they wouldn't mind it if so. But yes, EmpathyHeals, you are correct about most of the staff being made of friends that have been known for a while. If adults play on the server, why do they feel it's unfair? They have other servers to play on if a 10-year old is an admin (Of course, demote/ban them if they go mad with power).

I don't mean to start a super-debate or war around here, just my opinion.

AzrelWhen you join a server and feel like applying for staff many of you might notice that they have an age requirement or ask a question how old you are.

What's your Opinion? How do you feel about this? Should it be allowed? Should it not?

One way to look at it is like it's somebody else's party. They might invite everyone or just certain people, but not everyone gets to be the "host" and the "usher" and the "chef." Some who help are people the host hires, but most are real life friends they have known for a while. The theme of the party, what games / events they choose, is all up to the host and party planner; you can earn their trust but it's not often someone will just let a stranger take over. When the enjoyment of many people is at stake though, usually it is adults who need to be in charge, because there are many details and sometimes complex issues to deal with. The host needs to make sure everyone at the party has a great time, and leaving kids in charge is risky. Even if younger people prove themselves, it can be an issue of credibility, because some adults who play on servers or come to parties for that matter do not like to see a child running things. It may not seem fair, unfortunately.

I really think its not the age but the way you act and respond to certain situations on servers... Done

Age does matter. Scientifically speaking someone under the age 24 doesn't have a fully developed understanding (brain). I'm 33 and unless I really knew someone and trusted them, I would not seek someone under 16 as a staff member. Also, the KEY point in this is that if someone comes on my server and the first thing they do is ask about staff. I ban them right away as I know that's all they care about.

I don't think age matters that much in the grand scheme of things, as much as maturity level. Yes, older people have more developed frontal cortices, but, I know 12 year olds who are far more mature then 25 year olds. Just my two cents.

Regardless of whether they're mature or not, there will be people that will go absolutely insane if they find out that a 10 year old is part of the server staff. It can scare off some people from joining a server and cause others to quit. Members who don't quit sometimes just rage all over the server, complain to the owner when they get on, or just cause them to be a jerk to the kid on staff. I've seen all of these things happen with several Minecraft servers and in several other games.

So really just don't always assume a server owner who sets an age limit for staff is just intolerant of kids since it can really just be to avoid problems with member and guest players.

It makes sense to me. I agree younger kids.. Can be mature, but some people don't believe so. If it's the server rules, it's the rules.

MrProtagonistI run an uncensored "mature" server, and all my key staff are at least 18. However I have mods as young as 13.

Got an application for admin from a 15 yr old. Says he ran servers and knew all about configs and what not. I asked him for a link to something he designed, as he mentioned he did graphic design also.

I get a link to a file on his computer. The whole file://c/user deal. His impressive app then became null and void to say the least.

While this 15 year old was immature, you're implying that all children are immature. I'm 14, but most people I know online are under the impression that I was 20+. IMO, don't hire people based on age, hire them based on maturity and experience.

Point here is that I employ adults because they have more experience with computers, handling situations, they have a work ethic from having a real job, and they have more competence with figuring things out on their own rather than asking every question that comes to their mind while doing a project for me.

Not all adults have more experience with computers. Most people born since 2000 have used computers most of their lives, while someone born in, say, 1980 might have only just picked up computer skills in (just an example) 2005. Children are proven to be faster learners than adults, so would you trust a 14 year old with 8 years worth of computer skills (i.e. me) or a 30 year old with 3 years worth of computer skills?

I just don't have time to hold the hands of a bunch of kids wanting to learn but not research on their own. I also have no time for the immature flaunting if power and commands younger staff tend to do.

Actually, no complaints here.

Also, nobody over 16 respects the authority of somebody younger than them.

While true, it's kinda sad. If someone age 20 tells another 20 year old to, say, ride a motorcycle without a helmet, but his little 13 year old brother says that it's illegal in this particular state for a reason, who would YOU listen to?

I'll hire younger staff if they show promise and intellect. Otherwise, I have no interest in babysitting kids wanting to be introduced to the world of responsibility and problem solving.

^this^

And that's my analysis of your post!

From what I do on my server. I don't give a crap how old you are. You're getting the damn staff rank if you can show me maturity and understand-ability of how to operate and maintain the server. If you can't do that, I'm sorry but no rank.

And the people who come online to ask for a rank, I simply send them off. Tell them to leave. Yes it lowers the community population. But also removes the beggars from the server to allow the users who actually want to play to enter.

I don't like the application process for anything, I've always believed in only promoting someone if I see them being a good staff. An active player and a good builder doesn't always mean a good staff.
However, there should be an age limit to who you make staff. Recently we promoted a 11/12 year old to Admin due to his constant activity and dedication, but he frequently pushed it, abused and was always immature. He's one of those who talk about weed 24/7 and make sex jokes all the time. We demoted him and banned him for multiple reasons and then he threatened to keep using alts, change his IP and grief. We haven't seen him once yet.

TL;DR If you give a damn about good staff, maturity and the image of your server, don't recruit 10 year olds to be in charge of everyone. 14+ is when I tend to see people becoming more mature and responsible.

So, if you were 8 years old and applied to a job somewhere. Do you really think they would hire you? Or a more experienced 18 year old?

It's not wrong in any way besides funny. In my opinion, the whole application situation in servers make me laugh. You're basically applying to volunteer as an admin for an online community but doing it towards pre-teens who would like you to do so as if it was a real job. *giggles* Better update my CV! :v

(1) I vote maturity instead of age; my life philosophy is highly against age stereotypes, I can make an essay regarding my hate for this perk of society. Sure, maturity is harder to measure than age, but I find it's much more effective and easy to simply see someone's tone and their ability to type properly with sensible grammar than to ask for their age when they can simply lie. I never ask for age in my whitelist forms, I always ask for maturity level or do some test (hidden or not) that requires you to type at least a sentence.

(2) Exactly, why the hell are there staff applications anyways? Ban them from the corners of this universe already, they're horrifyingly ineffective. You either pluck out the best of your players and employees or you do it the way people do in the outside world; through real-time interviews.

I'm fine with staff applications if they're used to a small extent, such as my server where there's only one staff rank, and that rank isn't really a staff rank. But when you start seeing all these random servers that have experienced 0 prior uptime trying to hook up some volunteers from forum threads, you kinda anticipate a 99% chance of epic failure.

İ think they should say that your app is under review and then watch you in vanish mode. Then if your acting mature and your app is good they should accept you. İ did this on my OLD server. ( İ dont have a new server so)

It's their server, so sure, they should be allowed to do what they want with it. I completely understand age requirements because people with more life experience make decisions differently than those with less. It's just a fact of life. Sure, not all younger people act the same. Some are more mature than others and this goes for older people as well, but that life experience and skill with problem solving and socializing with others really depends on how much time you've had to practice. Also, when everyone is a certain age or above, you have a lot more in common. You often watched the same shows as kids, share similar belief systems and the like.

If you were on a Server and the Admin was lets say 11 years old would you allow them to boss you around? If that ever happens I personally would leave the server.

AzrelWhen you join a server and feel like applying for staff many of you might notice that they have an age requirement or ask a question how old you are.

What's your Opinion? How do you feel about this? Should it be allowed? Should it not?

Allowed? Nobody has the power to disallow that.

I think this is not nessasery, because i think they mostly do this to have a profesional and serious staff, But that doesn't have to do anything with age

PS, Im not a native English speaker so dont mind my spelling errors

I think It doesn't matter what your age is or not, it matters about your skills, maturity, etc. But, if your younger than there probably looking for, you may have tough time considering that older people have more experience than younger people.

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NamizyThey shouldnt judge people on their age, do it on their maturity! I am 12 but I am very mature and handle bad situations in a good way!

Telling us that you're mature just makes you look more immature.

The world is made of stereotypes and you'll have to live with it or go cry in a corner. You cannot deny that younger people usually have less experience and social skills. They pay for their servers (unless its on a pc), and they don't want some ignorant kid handling griefers and complaints etc. I'm not saying that you are an "ignorant kid" but most of the young people the owners have met have been. They make their decisions based on experience, it's not like they're trying to harass younger people.

If you really want staff, get your own server and see how hard it is to get people to play on it.

and this

If they beg for admin, then mute them. The same goes for people of ALL ages.

I'm not trying to be harsh but most young kids are easy to get trolled and then they rage then it causes lots a mess for the owner. Another reason is like when you have a 10 year old admins they abuse so hard and when you lower there rank they cry i'm 16 I only hire 14 and up.

Sometimes it is needed. Because if I were an Owner recruiting staff, I would like to know if this guy or girl is suitable for the job and that I won't get some 9 year old kid that doesn't know shit about servers. :/

Yeah, the main reason I edited it is because I realized there was more than just one page /)_-
And no, I was trying to say that you don't need to set an age limit. You don't need to announce "Hey guys you can only apply if you're over 16" or something like that. I can see why you might think I was against myself. But I think that owners should just reject people that they don't think are good enough, instead of setting limits. I know people want to run their servers the way they want to. This is just how I would do it. If I had applications at all. And since you say you read my other post before my edit, you should know why it isn't complaining.

Edit because I don't want to post for a third time: I don't think it's fair to turn away a great application because the person applying is 10. That's what I mean T_T

I think that if someone seems like they're a good choice for staff, then choose them. In some cases, I can see why people want an age limit. But personally, I don't think an age limit is necessary. If you don't like them or you think they're too young, then reject them.
Age doesn't always mean maturity.

i say yes to this there should be a age requirement for staff i would say about 16 years of age seems more responsible than a 10 year old (no offense to any 10 year olds)
but i have known some 16 years olds that act like they are 5 so either way just pick someone thats good at the job and doesnt mess everything up

I think that they should be at least 17 years, beacause the older you are the more grown up you are, kinda

I run an uncensored "mature" server, and all my key staff are at least 18. However I have mods as young as 13.

Got an application for admin from a 15 yr old. Says he ran servers and knew all about configs and what not. I asked him for a link to something he designed, as he mentioned he did graphic design also.

I get a link to a file on his computer. The whole file://c/user deal. His impressive app then became null and void to say the least.

Point here is that I employ adults because they have more experience with computers, handling situations, they have a work ethic from having a real job, and they have more competence with figuring things out on their own rather than asking every question that comes to their mind while doing a project for me.

I just don't have time to hold the hands of a bunch of kids wanting to learn but not research on their own. I also have no time for the immature flaunting if power and commands younger staff tend to do. Also, nobody over 16 respects the authority of somebody younger than them.

I'll hire younger staff if they show promise and intellect. Otherwise, I have no interest in babysitting kids wanting to be introduced to the world of responsibility and problem solving.

AzrelWhen you join a server and feel like applying for staff many of you might notice that they have an age requirement or ask a question how old you are.

What's your Opinion? How do you feel about this? Should it be allowed? Should it not?

Necessary, Most 5 yr old children would hardly know how to use a computer.

It's completly fair. It's their server, they can set whatever requirments they want.

The owner of the server can do as he/she pleases. It isn't your place to demand they change their requirements on anything. If you don't like what they require then leave.

I personally only promoted users who were above the age of 17 for the server I moderated on for 2 years, not because they were above that age but because I knew they were mature. Closer to the end I did promote a much younger user because over a period of time he proved he was mature.

I believe that asking for age ruins the opportunity of being staff for those of us who don't feel comfortable sharing our age.

NamizyThey shouldnt judge people on their age, do it on their maturity! I am 12 but I am very mature and handle bad situations in a good way!

Telling us that you're mature just makes you look more immature.

The world is made of stereotypes and you'll have to live with it or go cry in a corner. You cannot deny that younger people usually have less experience and social skills. They pay for their servers (unless its on a pc), and they don't want some ignorant kid handling griefers and complaints etc. I'm not saying that you are an "ignorant kid" but most of the young people the owners have met have been. They make their decisions based on experience, it's not like they're trying to harass younger people.

If you really want staff, get your own server and see how hard it is to get people to play on it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I agree with this guy to because will you trust a 11, 12 year old? And how would you fell if they boss you around

people won't take you serious if you're only 12 ...