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Posted 10/11/11 3:15:36 pm
10/11/11
To Upvote or Downvote? Only Upvote? It's a reoccurring suggestion on the site. Most recent thread: Down with the downvote. Despite a seemingly overwhelming support to get rid of them, I'm not convinced the site would be better off.
I'd like to make the distinction that downvotes are useful, trollvotes are not. How many are trollvotes and how many do you just suspect? Why is it unreasonable to receive a downvote?
The suggestion to force feedback during a downvote puzzles me. If a downvote hurts, I think getting a reason for each one will hurt even more. It would draw more attention to them. Feed a troll a reason box and I'd expect an increase, not a decrease in use. Actually, the valid reasons are likely to hurt more than the trolls "opinion". We'd go from FUUUUU to Okay... :( If moderators reviewed reasons, we'd be making judgement calls on peoples opinions... nope, no thx. We have to ignore enough grief in our PM box over removing clearly stolen, inappropriate and remix submissions. I also believe knowing who downvoted our work would give birth to a new breed, Revenge Votes! I think requiring a reason is a complicated solution that in fact would cause more complex problems.
I've personally accepted that I'll inevitably get downvotes on anything I upload. Cyprezz Uploads: "Transforming Nyan Mage Tower of Pork-tarts!" Brace for DOWNVOTE! I know 100% will not like what I do. It's unrealistic. I think if a submission is good, an undeserved downvote will actually prompt others to upvote and offset it. Maybe I'm the only one that does that. In the short run a downvote may seem overpowered, which is why we get 1 upvote from ourself, 1 downvote and you're at 50%. Seems accurate actually, I like it and one person didn't, give it time. A quality submission WILL get more upvotes than down in the long run usually settling in the 75-99% range. I feel an upvote without the down isn't telling the truth and I can't seem to convince myself we'd be better off without them as attractive as knowing 100% will like my work, at least according to the site. I would look at the # of upvotes on my submission and wonder how many downvotes would it have? Would it still have 100%?! That would be quite the accomplishment. Or would it be 75-99% and is that really so bad? Damn percentage eating trolls.
I could code things to auto-detect the ogres based on behavior patterns. Have the system manipulate the vote? It could work... does for other systems. :D Would I only code rules to detect suspicious downvotes or take a look at the upvotes too? Perhaps there are a few patterns that are too extreme to ignore. Maybe we don't auto-adjust the votes but alert mods to investigate? If we block a trollvote do they take their trolling into the comments? WHAT IS THE ANSWER!!? I donno, stop yelling.
I think I'm playing devils advocate because I know if you're here and taking the time to comment, you care about your work and it's hard to understand how a downvote is going to be justified, ever. After all, it's our personal creations, it's art. Please consider the other side of submissions. There is lots of stolen content, 0 effort remixes and troll posts that downvotes not only make sense but help identify them as something that needs to be looked into. It also prevents them from getting popular. No downvotes? Then that obviously inappropriate project, texture pack, ripped skin is 100% liked and can only be upvoted. I think that would look worse than a trollvote issue.
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gwas10
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May 22, 2013, 8:28 pm
EDIT: the section for giving bad reviews is a coal.
Or you could add a five star rating button with each comment commented, so each user can choose the amount of stars they think the project needs while commenting.Â
EXTRA: you could add something that adds up all the stars (ex: if 1 comment has 3 stars and another has 4 that would be seven stars) and divides them by the amount of comments for the mean/average. (that would be 7/2 so the mean/average would be 3.5) and there is a section that shows the mean/average.
Lol, no one reply meanly please, it's just an idea. :(
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Hmm
Diamonds or Obsidian?
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Well. This was before down vote was gone.
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Witch one?
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Surprised you have no armour :D
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Nice cloths :D
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They were never a good idea.
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Because I was looking at the HTML on this thing, and it's not hand made.
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d*2/s=Downvotes
If I have 3 submissions with 10 diamonds in all I would have...
10*2/3=6 Downvotes
This would require people to first have quality content before being able to downvote, which will help balance it out. Also it would be cool, say after 10 downvotes on a single submission that submission would be invisible to all but mods, so they can review it manually (Sort of like reporting, but easier to do)
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^ You don't have to do it.
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PMC is such a positive community which is what I love!
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I hate you
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go here and stop him please http://www.planetminecraft.com/project/over-50-projects-star-trek-fleet-that-contains-star-trek-star-wars-halo-ships-statues-and-giant-guns/
i just want to use this site without loging on and wondering how many hut-full comments he has left today please do something about it and you can only be told to burn jew so manny time before you cant take it any more
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SquishyZaUltra
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1. It could EASILY offend someone's culture.
2. If a lot of people downvote, It'll make people feel worthless, and from feeling worthless, they leave.
3. People could do it for fun to make others feel bad.
4. It could easily be used as a "gang-up". (E.x. A group of trolls go around to a list of submissions they would like to troll, and they all downvote them and say that some other people even agree. Pretty much saying that they weren't the ones who downvoted them.)
That is my thought about it. Yes, it would make everything more free in opinion, but it DOES have some downsides. I really don't know how it was, but I'm just making a statement.
-Squishy <3
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Now they at least have to comment on it to tell you what they find unfavorable about it, or they just have to move on.
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201,942 views and only 46 diamonds
in my experience only 0.002% of people leave diamonds
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IKR i have some downers too i have 1 diamod per 12 veiwers and almost 1 download
D: :( :(
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