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YOU are addicted to the level system [RANT]

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Level 36 : Artisan Nether Knight
Posted 05/18/12 7:18:56 am
05/18/12
This rant is for those who take the level-system to seriously:

After being active here for almost 2 months, I've noticed one thing that really disturbs and annoys me. I'm not implying that the level-system is bad. Frankly, I see it as a nice award. 

So the problem is that people tend to take the level-system more seriously. Blogs about how to get more XP are made. Spamming/duplicating of the one creation or bad unfinished content happens. All this leads to a uncreative, unoriginal community, filled with people hungering for more XP. You are addicted.

Now why is this XP bar so important? In what way would that change anything? The only thing you can get rewarded with, is the chance to pick some new unlocked names/statuses. For example "Master Enderdragon". I do see that a new awesome name or more exclusive name is kinda cool to have, but I can't see how that alone, could fill the importance you guys are combining with the level-system.

Instead of trying to get a lot of XP and rank up so you can impress someone, try rather to create something unique that takes more time than usual. Post it early so you can get continuously feedback while you are working. By that, you're creating a wealthy comment-section, and a small group that follows your work. Be always open for changes, but stick to your original plan.

Back to the problem...

So why? Why are you whoring for attention and spamming a lot of bad content? Why is this level-system so important for you? What kind of reward do you bind with ranking up?

Please give me a reason below in the comments.


~ Tiger, Uniblue Media

TL;DR: People are addicted to the level system and I am wondering why...

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LiamCraft
Level 34
Artisan Nerd
October 6, 2012, 2:56 pm

idc much about the levels, except I hate the "artisian" prefix. ~_~
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Cal_Gaming
Level 19
Journeyman Dragonborn
November 14, 2012, 3:20 pm

Does it make you feel like a fancy dominos pizza?
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LiamCraft
Level 34
Artisan Nerd
November 28, 2012, 12:43 pm

Yes, actually.
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Cal_Gaming
Level 19
Journeyman Dragonborn
November 28, 2012, 12:44 pm

:3
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Unnatural_Apple
Level 32
Artisan Turtle
October 4, 2012, 11:31 am

I agree, but i only care when i get to a big goal: lvl 40 etc 
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guygombaa
Level 9
Apprentice Taco
October 3, 2012, 5:59 pm

The levelling up system is actually a problem.

Please be aware, what I'm about to say dosen't really apply to me XD

See, what if somebody who's been making skins or maps for years now, & is really good at it, but they JUST join this website, & get absoultly no respect just because that bar reads "Level 1" It's not fair on them.

People with lower level's on ANYTHING are never taken seriously, infact, alot of you probablly will read this message and think it mean's nothing, because my bar still says Level 1.

So what if I haven't been on this one website as long as you? I've been on the MC forums for a year now, & I've been playing Minecraft since just after Alpha. I know what I'm talking about. I may not be the best Map maker or Skinner out there, but that's just because I haven't had alot of experience.

My experience isn't measured well by that bar. I've EARNED my experience. Have you?

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wespacectas
Level 13
Journeyman Warrior
October 2, 2012, 11:30 am

Oh yeah that's what i want to hear very nice speech filled with unique content and it says alo't in just one blog.This blog expresses how people should always post quality and quality of there own makings not copying or spamming or any unoriginal content.And this blog so well made that it just barley doesn't puncture the well fabricated sense of feelings of the people who read this blog.Diamond favorite and a subscribe to you. - wespacectas
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bhmiji077
Level 29
Expert Pixel Puncher
September 28, 2012, 3:52 am

i like getting xp... but i never posted and never will post a blog on how to get xp or make a blog only to get xp.. i don't understand why some people care so much about xp
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supergreen5
Level 11
Journeyman Pokemon
May 29, 2012, 11:45 am

i use to be addicted to it but now im bored of it (after 2 days)
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LongGirls
Level 39
Artisan Enderdragon
May 29, 2012, 11:49 am

same it got boring after level 3
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bopart
Level 12
Journeyman Princess
June 3, 2012, 7:15 pm

I got bored after level 1.
There's like no point in levelling up 'cept your mini title thing.
:D Apprentice Princess.
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kingmit
Level 14
Journeyman Archer
September 19, 2012, 2:39 am

he only reason why i would want a higher level is not because of the name, its because people will respect you on the site, i know i listen to advice from higher levels but i often don't like lvl 1's telling me how to improve and boasting that they could do much better!
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calebthebushyheaded
Level 11
Journeyman Artist
May 29, 2012, 4:57 am

I saw someone ask for another to spam their creation in order to get xp. and someone did.

 

which makes pmc have less quality

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Darkeagle21
Level 1
New Mage
May 28, 2012, 6:55 am

People like to have a way to compete with others.
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IdealIdeas91
Level 14
Journeyman Engineer
May 27, 2012, 11:29 pm

The level system is their way to compensate for their lack of no life.

They feel the higher their Lvl, the more attention they received which makes them feel more whole.

When really its just a piss poor substitute for real friends and more importantly a life in general.
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nintendoadam
Level 22
Expert Ninja
May 23, 2012, 3:21 pm

i agree
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stormbreaker92
Level 1
New Explorer
May 20, 2012, 10:51 pm

-_- wow.....just wow.....this has got to be the fastest I have ever seen blog get out of hand with immature comments, not saying that it's your fault Uniblue but this is now simply stupid how petty everyone is getting with their replies. Look I know my opinion will probably be hit with nothing but insults and all, however I do wish to say these few things. First the talk about Uniblue's different posts for the different resolutions, please get over it, there's nothing wrong with wanting to show off a little (This is just what I would do if I actually had submissions) and be proud of ones work. Next the level system is both good and bad, it give users rewards for being active and contributing to the site. Now I do agree that if one uploads submissions to simply get xp then yes they are addicted to it, but this could also be used to push users to work harder to create more popular and loved content. Honestly the talk about ones level being a factor in people taking you seriously is unfortunately true. It's honestly a horrible way to treat others who actually try at their work and just get ignored. I have more opinions on this topic but if I was to type it all then it would be a essay (Not saying this isn't already) and not a comment. Oh and one more thing for those that say that Uniblue just created this for more xp I see no where on the blog that says please give me a diamond or favorite if you agree so (Without trying to sound disrespectful) I do agree with the blogs contents however I will not give a diamond or anything as Uniblue has said he doesn't care for xp and he can still take the time to see and understand my opinion unlike many here.....
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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 20, 2012, 11:25 pm

Thank you for your reply and for focusing more on the case. Sadly, a lot of people have looked more on my level, trying to lead the discussion away and focus more on why I shouldn't complain. I've chosen to ignore all such comments and I hope others do as well.

I do agree and admit that I have posted one texture pack in 5 different version due to that known people like Scuttles or Sphax, are doing the same thing. Which again leads me to that conclusion that it's accepted by most people. I also admit that I do it so more people would easier notice my texture and more easier, find it later. I really do want recognition for my work, like most others.

Yes, the level system has pros and cons. It's a good motivation and a nice form for reward after hard work. It's also setting differences between all creators and can easily indicate how much the creator has influenced in quantity. Sadly, it doesn't indicate the quality of the creators work, but if the level er very high, it's most likely high quality work, requested by many. 

This can be both a good thing and a bad thing. People tend to respect and sometimes, agree to what "high-levelers" say, and usually don't pay so much extra attention to what "the regular/low-levelers" says. Again, this can be both good and bad. The XP stands for "experience points" and tips and constructive criticism from a high-leveler, is in some cases, more important or exclusive. Again, judging text by text and not by it's author is also important.

Not giving me a diamond is totally fine. As I have commented several times below, and hopefully stated above: I do not care for XP and it has a minimum to none value for me. Also, why should you? This is a blog about how the situation is, and about how people are posting their content, how the content appear and my thoughts. I shouldn't get a diamond for this. This text above took me a couple of minutes to write.

Anyway, thank you for your reply! :D
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Bleyd
Level 19
Journeyman Pirate
May 20, 2012, 6:34 pm

I honestly don't get why people are complaining that a high level member is pointing out the flaws of the system. If anything, having a higher level shows more experience with the system and knowledge of what's wrong with it. If a level 3 made this blog, they would get bogged down by comments like "lolz u just jelus cos ur a nub"
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Camo7
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Level 66
High Grandmaster Demolitionist
May 20, 2012, 7:27 pm

"If anything, having a higher level shows more experience with the system and knowledge of what's wrong with it."
Actually, I would argue that being an active member of the site longer gives more experience in this matter, especially those of us who remember the Pre-XP era.
I do agree that it is better for a higher level member to make this type of blog though.
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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 20, 2012, 9:25 pm

Also, I have just been active here for 2 months. I don't have that much history knowledge, even though I have 112 000 XP points. I do have opinions.
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RoughSpirit
Level 1
New Explorer
May 20, 2012, 6:29 pm

I wouldn't mind if they kept it or got rid of it, so long as I have my "Pony" title.
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htrevor14
Level 15
Journeyman Artist
May 20, 2012, 5:42 pm

hi :D
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Reatos
Level 28
Expert Taco
May 20, 2012, 10:43 am

Having a higher level means you will be more noticed, and that you will be praised by your subbers. You will also go onto the leaderboards, which will make you even more noticed. And when you're even more noticed, you will get donations if you set up a paypal account, or some other type of donating source. So really, they want a higher XP level, so they will earn money and be praised.
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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 20, 2012, 10:54 am

I would never have donated to a guy because of his LVL. If you ask me, that's just VERY STUPID.

I didn't really know people took the "LVL-leaderboards" seriously either and I can't rally image why they do. Oh well. Maybe I will never understand this big hunger for XP...
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Reatos
Level 28
Expert Taco
May 20, 2012, 3:27 pm

"I would never have donated to a guy because of his LVL. If you ask me, that's just VERY STUPID."
 

I do not mean his/her level makes people want to donate, I mean they donate because they aprreciate his/her work and feel that they need to give him/her something back for his/her hard work.

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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 20, 2012, 9:17 pm

Oh? My bad :/
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JoFF93
Level 32
Artisan Pirate
May 20, 2012, 10:25 am

Hummm... I think this level system make us want to post better and better submissions !
For me it's a good way to give motivation
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zombiekiller10
Level 21
Expert Miner
May 20, 2012, 5:38 pm

what he was saying is instead of doing that, basically people spam with one basic sucky thing, like those "blank" in a hoodie skins that are everywhere
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Smasher200
Level 29
Expert Pixel Painter
May 20, 2012, 10:08 am

I'm not addicted. I just like uploading stuff and making people happy with my skins.
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Smasher200
Level 29
Expert Pixel Painter
May 20, 2012, 10:05 am

Looking at this picture makes me want to make a PMC Profile Generator
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Theoreticallyy
Level 7
Apprentice Blacksmith
May 20, 2012, 8:06 am

However, I do agree with what you are saying. I think being "noticed" of
PlanetMinecraft is just being a relatively high level. How else will
your name spread, and get clicked on? The other thing I dislike about
the level-system, is that when you scroll down and peak at the
subscribers, it's only the eight that are the highest level whom
subscribed to that specific person. In that way, PlanetMinecraft is
promoting this addiction and therefore, the rich with levels, just get
richer. Why? Because it is a matter of availability. Who wants to take
there time and and click on subscribers so they can see some low-level folks. The rich are getting richer, the poorer, remain poor.
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Camo7
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Level 66
High Grandmaster Demolitionist
May 20, 2012, 7:30 pm

"I think being "noticed" on Planet Minecraft is just being a relatively high level. How else will your name spread, and get clicked on?"
I disagree.
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Theoreticallyy
Level 7
Apprentice Blacksmith
May 21, 2012, 11:31 am

When you disagree, I would love to here why. Disagreeing has to be constructed on the basis of something. I disagree because...explanation is the format to properly represent yourself in an argument. I would love to here your points; debate is something I major in, so I find it fun.
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Camo7
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Level 66
High Grandmaster Demolitionist
May 21, 2012, 4:37 pm

Apologies, I wanted to see if you would respond. I had something to say, but was too tired at the time to write a coherent and intelligent response. So here goes (still not very awake).

I disagree with the notion that being a higher level automatically makes you "noticed." I think that being noticed by the community leads to having a high level. But you can also become a high level by having decent, but not particularly noticed submissions, over a long time span.
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solemnote
Level 21
Expert Spider Rider
May 20, 2012, 7:08 am

I just want the title of "pokemon" and "tacos"! I may be addicted to the level system, but I DO NOT COPY OTHER PEOPLE. :P
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Zombineman
Level 20
Expert Pixel Painter
May 20, 2012, 6:20 am

Aren't you by making a post like this, trying to get XP?... just saying...
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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 20, 2012, 9:16 am

Sorry. If there was a button that stopped the XP, I would gladly have pressed it to demonstrate the cause of this thread. Why can't I make a thread that gets a lot of hits, without getting lot's of comments implying that I only made this for XP? I DON'T CARE ABOUT XP.
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Theoreticallyy
Level 7
Apprentice Blacksmith
May 20, 2012, 8:02 am

I second that comment.
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zombiekiller10
Level 21
Expert Miner
May 20, 2012, 5:39 pm

i uhhhh.... quadruple that comment
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TheDenux
Level 55
Grandmaster Hero
May 20, 2012, 5:36 am

Because it's a reward you dumbass, it's obvious! People love rewards! What's not to understand?
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Camo7
Site Moderator
Level 66
High Grandmaster Demolitionist
May 20, 2012, 7:34 pm

"Because it's a reward you dumbass"
well look who's trying to look cool.
As he said, the point of xp is to be a reward. the problem is when people become addicted to a reward that is largely irrelevant to their lives, and then start spamming garbage. It also leads to a 'warship the higher levels system,' where people judge you by the arbitrary number next to your name and not by the skill, talent, and quality displayed in your work.
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TheDenux
Level 55
Grandmaster Hero
May 21, 2012, 4:12 am

Well usually people at high levels have achieved the high level by doing some quality work. The reward system is the same on facebook, post a funny comment and you will get rewarded by likes. Those are exactly the same likes as giving diamonds. And people with a lot of likes seems to think: Wow, people actually like me, how nice of them. It's a form of saying "Good Job Greg!" and who doesn't want to be appreciated?
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Camo7
Site Moderator
Level 66
High Grandmaster Demolitionist
May 21, 2012, 4:07 pm

On that note, I also believe you can be addicted to facebook.
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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 20, 2012, 5:56 am

Yeah, but these points doesn't mean anything, and if they are a reward, then you should at least deserve them. Not duplicating your own thread, begging for diamonds and subscribers, and publish all kind of stuff just to get XP. I don't understand why people get like this for worthless XP.

Also, why did you call me a dumbass? Did I offense you or something?
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Cenoxium
Level 8
Apprentice Mage
May 20, 2012, 7:02 am

It's in our genetics as human beings to love rewards. Do you know those science tests when a dog does something good he gets a snack? That's called Positive Reinforcement System
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TheDenux
Level 55
Grandmaster Hero
May 20, 2012, 6:26 am

That's exactly what I mean! Of course they are worthless, but it's a REWARD!
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Terzaerian
Level 56
Grandmaster Necromancer
May 20, 2012, 12:54 am

Anti-feature people sure love making vague allusions to people spamming/duplicating projects, but frankly I've never seen it happen and I'm on here quite a bit. Got links or proof? "The mods took care of it" isn't an excuse, either. As for "unfinished" builds, frankly it's a legitimate strategy. An updated project is always going to gain more views and votes than a project that is shot into the system finished, once, and left, no matter how well tagged it might be. The REAL problem is when people put unfinished projects into the system, and then don't finish them. There are ways to deal with this problem, and supporting the anti-feature crowd of this website by ranting against XP isn't one of them.
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Camo7
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Level 66
High Grandmaster Demolitionist
May 20, 2012, 7:38 pm

"Anti-feature people sure love making vague allusions to people spamming/duplicating projects, but frankly I've never seen it happen and I'm on here quite a bit. Got links or proof?"
Have you taken a thorough look around the skin section lately?
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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 20, 2012, 1:48 am

I never said that XP was the problem. I actually think its positive (read the first lines). The people who are producing bad quality content, or breaking laws, etc.... because of the XP system is what I think is the problem.

I think unfinished projects are a good thing. People can discuss and give the creator criticism while hes/shes working, pointing out stuff the creator would never have noticed. The creator could get a lot of inspiration from the comment section too.

I don't like to set myself in the example, but I released my texture pack when it was ca. 15% done, and people have really been giving me a great boost and spotting stuff, I never would have seen. It's still not done.
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Terzaerian
Level 56
Grandmaster Necromancer
May 20, 2012, 9:51 am

Even if you didn't come out and say it, that's one possible take-home lesson that can be implied from it. As well, you cite jgsampo's blog on the matter, which was more focused on the faults of the XP system than the folly of exploiting it.

If I seem combative about it, it's because I've already seen functionality stripped out of the site because of misplaced furor. It's a trend that must end.
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NeoTalon
Level 35
Artisan Droid
May 19, 2012, 9:43 pm

lawl, grammar mistakes.
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Kooljasper
Level 21
Expert Narwhal
May 19, 2012, 9:12 pm

I love how you got over 1000 exp off of this...
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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 20, 2012, 1:33 am

Over 1000 worthless XP points. 

Couldn't be happier.
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FarGuardian
Level 24
Expert Scribe
May 19, 2012, 9:06 pm

I-mm-mm--m Not ad-d-d-ict-ted
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danji_x
Level 24
Expert Mage
May 19, 2012, 6:33 pm

I want to get to level 20 so that I am allowed to post donation links and/or Ad.fly on the bigger of my projects (i.e. texture pack) ... But I don't think I've compromised quality for this goal.
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DekuHero
Level 45
Master Nerd
May 19, 2012, 6:28 pm

acceptance is the first step to beating your addiction my friend!


Good luck :P
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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 20, 2012, 1:27 am

I'm not addicted xD
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ZIKANO
Level 1
New Crafter
May 19, 2012, 6:21 pm

I know, right? I just joined Planet Minecraft yesterday and I've already seen a lot of these.
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ryan9988yo
Level 35
Artisan Sailor
May 19, 2012, 5:23 pm

I think that those who cheat/spam and put out unoriginal content are the problems, but there are some people who actually upload some really cool content.  But i do see how that could cause problems. Little noobs wanna get to that level so they'll upload some crap and get a few views. Then they'll do it more.  Those are the people who should get punished for it.  But for others, it is just a cool little name tag to go next to the awesome levels/skins/texturepacks that the community has put out there.
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Gulleye
Level 6
Apprentice Scribe
May 19, 2012, 5:02 pm

Dont you find this ironic?
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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 20, 2012, 1:25 am

From one of my comments below:
"I guess it's a little ironic that a 48-leveler are complaining about the lvl-addicted people out there, but you shouldn't be judging this thread by my LVL-status."
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Ryanduc
Level 9
Apprentice Pony
May 19, 2012, 2:30 pm

yea, hes right. i'd rather have a frontpage texture pack at level 1
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sonico123
Level 3
Apprentice Hunter
May 19, 2012, 12:20 pm

Pffffft I'm not addicted to xp, SUBSCRIBE RATE COMMENT AND DIAMOND JK
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Sumaxi
Level 41
Master Princess
May 19, 2012, 9:12 am

With the level system... I got the class Princess.
In all the ways it sounds like a troll, I really did get the class Princess. I never was addicted or did anything to get levels. I simply put stuff up here -not to get noticed- but to get feedback. In reward, the rank: Princess.
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steadyeddie235
Level 1
New Explorer
May 19, 2012, 7:27 am

I think that levels are great, those that are a good level with good comments show that they put effort into their work and deserve the title :)


But its important to remember that anyone from level 1 does as well, its just important you find that someone and be sure to watch them, and out for new talent ;)
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Greenbeans51
Level 9
Apprentice Archer
May 19, 2012, 7:12 am

I think the level system is a great idea.i wouldnt post anything otherwise as there is no motivation.the people you are talking bout are the people who take it to the next level.i think it should be so if your post gets deleted,instead of the xp you made from the post gets lost,you need to double that so people who take it so seriously will think twice before spamming
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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 19, 2012, 7:18 am

I agree with that the level system is a great source of motivation and a nice reward, but still... what about MinecraftForum? There's no such reward there, and people seem keep posting positively.

I think people have to look at the level-bar and see the fun in it, instead of binding serious goals around it. It's good people set goals that they should reach that and that level, but I think a goal about becoming better and influence others, are a much "richer" goal than a poor status upgrade.
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Greenbeans51
Level 9
Apprentice Archer
May 19, 2012, 8:19 am

Haha i just say its my only motivation atm cause i have no subscribers or anything.once you have a fanbase who wants more posts,then you might as well forget the bar :P
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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 19, 2012, 8:39 am

Well, as long as it motivates you to create what you want to create :)
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Uniblue Media
Level 36
Artisan Nether Knight
May 19, 2012, 6:56 am

Thank you all for discussing this and writing what you think. I'm glad so many of you agrees to this and want to make a change.

For the rest of you that's more busy with looking at my LVL-status, and taking that as something negative, commenting that I shouldn't complain about this, or that I only have made this blog to get more XP... don't even bother commenting. That's just childish and stupid.

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