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Building Gaming PC [NEED HELP]
Hello, my 3 year old computer is becoming a Trash Machine when it comes to New games this is why I decided to invest in a New Gaming PC. So I would like to ask for your help as I never built a Gaming PC (or any other PC XD ) and I know you shouldn't get a "Pre-Built" one cause they are terrible..
So let's start with the Basics, this (future) computer will be used for Minecraft and High End Games (Battlefield 3 / Crisis 3 etc) and Multitasking. Because I just know the basics of Building a PC I would like to ask for your help.
What parts should I get to achieve the most out of the PC and what setup should it be?
Now here comes the tricky part involving Money, for now don't worry about the price when suggesting but please don't go like Super Crazy (i.e 3000+) XD
Thanks For your help
~Method
So let's start with the Basics, this (future) computer will be used for Minecraft and High End Games (Battlefield 3 / Crisis 3 etc) and Multitasking. Because I just know the basics of Building a PC I would like to ask for your help.
What parts should I get to achieve the most out of the PC and what setup should it be?
Now here comes the tricky part involving Money, for now don't worry about the price when suggesting but please don't go like Super Crazy (i.e 3000+) XD
Thanks For your help
~Method
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If you really dont want to so the building, many stores will do it for you for about 50 bucks or so.
And i agree 8gb ram is enough, though take at least 1600mhz ddr3 id reccomend
And i agree 8gb ram is enough, though take at least 1600mhz ddr3 id reccomend
CyberPower PC's are really the way to go if you dont know exactly how to build a PC, although it isn't hard to make one.
You should be jealous.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Dpyhi2 ... r_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Dpyhi2 ... r_embedded
Irrelevant post. Please provide constructive, helpful info, rather than this kind of stuff
What do you think of this site: http://www.logicalincrements.com/?aid=cr
Is it helpful or does it lack in stuff?
~method
Is it helpful or does it lack in stuff?
~method
personally for overclocking I would take a watercooler, but again I don't know how you feel about them. the corsair H100i would do e really good job keeping your cpu cool. and it isn't even that expensive. here in Holland it costs like €100 or so. So not a too expensive solution and pretty quiet too!
It's the one I have selected for a new pc I am going to build. ima use it on a intel i7 4770K. hoping to overclock it to like 4.4-4.8 GHz. Friend told me that the processor would be easely able to handel that. so im giving it a shot. (wanted an i7 anyways )
It's the one I have selected for a new pc I am going to build. ima use it on a intel i7 4770K. hoping to overclock it to like 4.4-4.8 GHz. Friend told me that the processor would be easely able to handel that. so im giving it a shot. (wanted an i7 anyways )
So getting 16Gb of RAM is a bad idea?
~method
~method
I consider it overkill :p you can still get more if you find yourself using it all up, but you must be running a lot of unecessary things for that to happen, or you are genuinely using it up with say video editing
Agreed
So, so far what I have chosen for the parts (and everyone has suggested) will make up a good PC that will last me for a long time?
~method
~method
If you put it together correctly and safely, then yes. It should last a few years. By a few years I mean 3-5 as I am not sure, and you can prolong it even more by upgrading parts. Make sure to stick with the same brand though if you wish to upgrade.
I decided to Add up the price of the parts and these are the results:
Intel Core I7 4770K 3.9Ghz +
Asus Z87-K Haswell Motherboard +
Cooler Pc Bundle
= £378
Nvidia Gtx 770 Graphics Card
= £350
Corsair CX750 750W
= £67
Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB DDR3 RAM Memory 1600Mhz
= £94
SSD 128Gb
= £70
Overall Pice = £970
Intel Core I7 4770K 3.9Ghz +
Asus Z87-K Haswell Motherboard +
Cooler Pc Bundle
= £378
Nvidia Gtx 770 Graphics Card
= £350
Corsair CX750 750W
= £67
Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB DDR3 RAM Memory 1600Mhz
= £94
SSD 128Gb
= £70
Overall Pice = £970
what cpu cooler is in that bundle? cuz when you are overclocking (guessing you will since you go for a "k") its better to not use the stock cooler but get a stronger one. I personally prefer water cooling, but I know some people already get heart attacks thinking of putting one in their pc
It's a standard retail Intel cooler, so guess I'll have to get a proper one
~method
~method
Yea, i would get a better one. The stock one isnt the best and is kinda noisy too i wouldnt do video editing with it (went up to 79°C for me when i did)
When it comes to buying RAM how do I know which RAM will fit into my motherboard and will be good?
~method
~method
Any 240 pin DDR3 RAM will fit in your motherboard. Just get the cheapest 2x4 gb kit of RAM you can find. Like this.
Unusual timings it has 8-9-8-24 (or something similar) it im sure it would work fine
Also is this Bundle a good one or not worth it?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core-I7 ... 20d3ab974f
~method
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core-I7 ... 20d3ab974f
~method
No Video rendering is GPU and CPU but not a problem for me and i have tri SLI
It can also be ram intensive, as the data gets stored in ram
The heart of a PC is its PSU never go cheap on this or it could be kaboom and good buy to everything in your box :/
this is almost the same as what i use
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Corsair-CX750 ... %26ps%3D54
this is almost the same as what i use
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Corsair-CX750 ... %26ps%3D54
From my past experience I can remember when I had a low PSU and a High Voltage Graphics Card, the PSU decided to burn itself (not exactly mind) also I did look at this one and it looks really good
~method
~method
So get a SSD like this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SanDisk-128GB ... 4855f82ed6
And then install the Operating System on it and all the Softwares like Sony Vegas & Steam etc?
~method
And then install the Operating System on it and all the Softwares like Sony Vegas & Steam etc?
~method
That is very beneficial. Especially during load up of the OS and rendering in 1080p or hd.
So the SSD is the key to fast Operating System and Video Rendering (overall speed of the computer)?
~method
~method
MethodSnowylips[snip]
Hmm, seen Alienware Computers but got to say that In my opinion it would be cheaper to buy the Alienware parts separately and build a PC from that, but if you say you can run any game in Ultra it sounds really good
~method
Yeah, it would be MUCH cheaper to get those parts and build it yourself, but the combination of parts I find is more than enough for any serious gamer I've just been streaming Minecraft in a HD texture pack with shaders and it didn't noticeably strained my computer
Okay, I found all the parts that you suggested for me to get on Ebay and I'm going to link them here just to check that everything is fine:
Processor / Motherboard & Cooler: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core-I7 ... 20d3ab974f
Gtx 770 Graphics Card: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zotac-GTX-770 ... 232c52712b
or a Gtx 670: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Palit-Geforce ... 1c3347d0f6
PSU: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Corsair-Enthu ... 20d2d8273c
8gb Ram: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8GB-Memory-Ki ... 27d369696c
Case & Hard Drives should be easy to get anyway's so not going to list them for now, unless you suggest any good ones
These are a quick search and the cheapest (if could find) on Ebay UK if you seen cheaper then let me know and also is that the right combination of parts?
~method
Processor / Motherboard & Cooler: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core-I7 ... 20d3ab974f
Gtx 770 Graphics Card: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zotac-GTX-770 ... 232c52712b
or a Gtx 670: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Palit-Geforce ... 1c3347d0f6
PSU: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Corsair-Enthu ... 20d2d8273c
8gb Ram: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8GB-Memory-Ki ... 27d369696c
Case & Hard Drives should be easy to get anyway's so not going to list them for now, unless you suggest any good ones
These are a quick search and the cheapest (if could find) on Ebay UK if you seen cheaper then let me know and also is that the right combination of parts?
~method
All I have to say:
i8 processor and GTX 770 if you're rich.
i8 processor and GTX 770 if you're rich.
No such thing as an i8
(tip) No more then 8gigs of ram. Only egg heads do that.
Video rendering can be quite cpu and ram intensive, so a lot of video rendering machines should run on 16gb. My machine runs of 16gb and it allows me to keep things like Steam running all day without issue. On my 4gb machine and my friend's 8gb machine, they cannot keep steam open, play minecraft and keep a stable good framerate.
Alienware x51 is a decent machine, I was looking at getting it, but for a few hundred dollars more you can get a better machine, whether it would be an Asus computer (I got mine for $1300au which is about 2.5x more powerful) whereas the Alienware x51 is $760 at the price I could have gotten it and it was not worth it for me as I knew I would be requiring a better cpu, not a better gpu.
I also suggest, if you can afford it get something like 128gb ssd (solid state drive). You can put all your software like Sony Vegas on it and put your OS on it too. It would make everything run even faster as a solid state drive runs off electricity whereas a hard drive runs of a wheel of sorts and is mechanical.
Alienware x51 is a decent machine, I was looking at getting it, but for a few hundred dollars more you can get a better machine, whether it would be an Asus computer (I got mine for $1300au which is about 2.5x more powerful) whereas the Alienware x51 is $760 at the price I could have gotten it and it was not worth it for me as I knew I would be requiring a better cpu, not a better gpu.
I also suggest, if you can afford it get something like 128gb ssd (solid state drive). You can put all your software like Sony Vegas on it and put your OS on it too. It would make everything run even faster as a solid state drive runs off electricity whereas a hard drive runs of a wheel of sorts and is mechanical.
I have to follow the rules. So I cant comment back as you are a Moderator
Ive got 8gb and i can keep steam, minecraft with shaders, firefox with a youtube video as well as a few other programs open. If you cant keep a stable frame rate then it must be that you're lacking in computing power
._. Im just getting the 700$ X51 AlienWare Computer.
May i say that on amazon 660's are really cheap at the moment, so if i was you i would get one
So basically what I should get is:
i7 (what k?)
8gb - 16gb
Gtx 670 / Gtx 770
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
and a higher Voltage PSU so it doesnt overheat so like 700v - 750v
64bit Windows 7 Ultimate / Enterprise
1tb on each Hard-drive
CPU Cooler
and a Case
Is that right?
~method
i7 (what k?)
8gb - 16gb
Gtx 670 / Gtx 770
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
and a higher Voltage PSU so it doesnt overheat so like 700v - 750v
64bit Windows 7 Ultimate / Enterprise
1tb on each Hard-drive
CPU Cooler
and a Case
Is that right?
~method
The CPUs with a k can be overclocked which is what you want. If you get the I7 3770K get the Z77 Extreme4. If you get the 4770k get the Z87 version. You don't really need a 700 watt PSU for just one video card.
No but really: i7 3770k, 16GB, GTX 670 is far more then enough 770 is kind of overkill unless you get a better processor.
If youre getting an LGA1155 motherboard then get the 3770k if you want to overclock and the 3770 if not. Also, psus are measured in watts, not volts. And only get 8gb of ram
SnowylipsStrum355Just a few notes: 4th gen intel processors are already out, and there is no such thing as a gtx680 ti.
If they meant the 660 ti SLI, dooonn'tt. Not worth your money or you melted computer
OP:
I find this is pretty decent. I can currently run any game in Ultra, still record and not get any noticeable frame drop. Not sure if it's within your budget, I got that for $1800 AUS from Alienware (yes I know, some of you hate AW, but I don't care) and I'm sure you could find the same for cheaper if you shop around a little bit
Hmm, seen Alienware Computers but got to say that In my opinion it would be cheaper to buy the Alienware parts separately and build a PC from that, but if you say you can run any game in Ultra it sounds really good
~method
I know Haswell is out. From what I've seen their is little improvement and it's not worth the added cost of the new CPU and the new motherboards. I definitely agree that two 770s is more than needed. I just wanted to see what I could fit in for 1600$.
Here is more than you will probably ever need or gaming. You could drop one of the 770s and replace the power supply with a CX500M/CX500.
Choose a case that you like but make sure it's compatible with your parts.
Click to reveal
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($140.91 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($399.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($399.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1510.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-22 13:42 EDT-0400)
I didn't put in RAM because 8 gigs of RAM comes the mobo.
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($140.91 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($399.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($399.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1510.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-22 13:42 EDT-0400)
I didn't put in RAM because 8 gigs of RAM comes the mobo.
Choose a case that you like but make sure it's compatible with your parts.
I think that's a good setup, but 2 of the Gtx 770's I would swap for a 1 but higher graphics card and still have same or even better experience
~Method
~Method
Im guessing you dont know 4th gen intel cpus are out? Also i think TWO 770s is too much, one 780 would be fine
Strum355Just a few notes: 4th gen intel processors are already out, and there is no such thing as a gtx680 ti.
If they meant the 660 ti SLI, dooonn'tt. Not worth your money or you melted computer
OP:
I find this is pretty decent. I can currently run any game in Ultra, still record and not get any noticeable frame drop. Not sure if it's within your budget, I got that for $1800 AUS from Alienware (yes I know, some of you hate AW, but I don't care) and I'm sure you could find the same for cheaper if you shop around a little bit
Just a few notes: 4th gen intel processors are already out, and there is no such thing as a gtx680 ti.
Anyways, you can choose either an i7 or an i5 (i5 4670k is the highest 4th gen i5 you can get, so that should be fine), and then for graphics cards i would choose a gtx670 if youre doing high end gaming, as you said. Ram wise, dont get more than 8gb of ram, seriously. 8gb of ram at 1600mhz will be perfect. When it comes to the power supply, dont go all too cheap. Choose a good, well-known brand. For the gtx670 id get a 600 watt one, some may argue slightly larger but it all depends for the motherboard, dont go too cheap either. The more you pay, the more features you get. Here you can choose any well-known brand too. With the case, i personally wouldnt go get one over 150, as that gets ridiculous. I would also get a better cpu fan too. Dont forget to get thermal grease (or whatever you want to call it), this can help with the transfer of heat from the cpu to the cooler. And for the love of god, dont get 32 gb of ram. 16 is pushing it. I have 8 and can edit videos perfectly fine
And i think thats it. If you need anymore help just reply
Anyways, you can choose either an i7 or an i5 (i5 4670k is the highest 4th gen i5 you can get, so that should be fine), and then for graphics cards i would choose a gtx670 if youre doing high end gaming, as you said. Ram wise, dont get more than 8gb of ram, seriously. 8gb of ram at 1600mhz will be perfect. When it comes to the power supply, dont go all too cheap. Choose a good, well-known brand. For the gtx670 id get a 600 watt one, some may argue slightly larger but it all depends for the motherboard, dont go too cheap either. The more you pay, the more features you get. Here you can choose any well-known brand too. With the case, i personally wouldnt go get one over 150, as that gets ridiculous. I would also get a better cpu fan too. Dont forget to get thermal grease (or whatever you want to call it), this can help with the transfer of heat from the cpu to the cooler. And for the love of god, dont get 32 gb of ram. 16 is pushing it. I have 8 and can edit videos perfectly fine
And i think thats it. If you need anymore help just reply
How much money are you wanting to spend?
I currently am running a prebuilt pc which is just as good as some gaming pcs. Although if you wish for those sorts of features you would be looking for some higher end stuff.
I have a Nvidia gtx 560ti in my computer and it can run Battlefield 3 perfectly well, but it may not handle Battlefield 4 the best. I suggest an Nvidia gtx 660ti or 680ti. I myself would look at purchasing the Asus ones, they are a bit more pricey but they are very high quality.
You'd want to be looking at an Intel Core i7 processor. I can render a 20 minute video in 1080p through my Intel Core i7 2600k in about 15-30minutes. I suggest getting an i5 as they are cheaper and wait for the 4th gen Intel processors to come out. As for i5 it isn't as powerful, but for games it will do, but for video rendering and such, it will definitely help having an i7. I would look at getting i5 2500k or going for i7 4470k. They are great for their price and are worthwhile. I am not sure when the next processor chip set by Intel will be coming out though.
Make sure you have a motherboard that fits your processor. If there is a store which you can go to and buy it, discuss it with them and make sure your list works. For video editing and such I would personally recommend getting 16gb or 32gb, but note that 32gb will require windows 7 enterprise or the windows 8 equivelant.
Hope this helps
~Doggle
I have a Nvidia gtx 560ti in my computer and it can run Battlefield 3 perfectly well, but it may not handle Battlefield 4 the best. I suggest an Nvidia gtx 660ti or 680ti. I myself would look at purchasing the Asus ones, they are a bit more pricey but they are very high quality.
You'd want to be looking at an Intel Core i7 processor. I can render a 20 minute video in 1080p through my Intel Core i7 2600k in about 15-30minutes. I suggest getting an i5 as they are cheaper and wait for the 4th gen Intel processors to come out. As for i5 it isn't as powerful, but for games it will do, but for video rendering and such, it will definitely help having an i7. I would look at getting i5 2500k or going for i7 4470k. They are great for their price and are worthwhile. I am not sure when the next processor chip set by Intel will be coming out though.
Make sure you have a motherboard that fits your processor. If there is a store which you can go to and buy it, discuss it with them and make sure your list works. For video editing and such I would personally recommend getting 16gb or 32gb, but note that 32gb will require windows 7 enterprise or the windows 8 equivelant.
Hope this helps
~Doggle
Thanks Doggle, so far I should Invest in a i7 Processor with a Nvidia Gtx 660ti / 680ti & a 16gb - 32gb Ram Memory. Also will that last for a long time? Cause I don't really want to buy new expensive parts often cause that would drain my money pretty quicky
Well, as Video Editing may require alot of Higher End parts I may not be too focused on that at the moment, would Windows 7 Ultimate do same job as the Enterprise?
Thanks
~Method
Well, as Video Editing may require alot of Higher End parts I may not be too focused on that at the moment, would Windows 7 Ultimate do same job as the Enterprise?
Thanks
~Method
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