Afootpluto1. U DON'T need 32 GB of RAM

Stop being confrontational and presenting your opinion as facts. If you have sources for your claims, please present them to us so that we can actually understand what you're trying to tell us. Don't accuse others of "not knowing what they are talking about" when you haven't even presented a single source for your claims.

Windows has a very complex memory management system. I can't explain it all in one post, but the MSDN reference can explain it better than I can.

Having more RAM is always a benefit because it reduces swapping, which is bottlenecked by your hard drive (and SSDs can't be used for swapping, only HDDs can). The more RAM you have, the more Windows can reserve for various purposes; if Windows ever goes beyond a certain amount for pools, it has to either reallocate the pool to fit (which you need unused/shared RAM to do) or may swap unused pools to the HDD so that it can find more space for itself.

If he can get additional RAM for cheap, there's no reason not to do so. If it's taking up a huge percentage of his system I wouldn't bother, though.

Afootpluto

ObscurityGamer

Afootpluto
If it is a pre-built maybe. but for custom builds it is pressing the correct key when u r turning on ur PC

Well that's good to know, that's 1 thing to mark off the list of reasons not to buy Win8 that I've discovered. Would you mind helping with the rest?

I am done replying to these things because you have proven u don't know much about computers.

So far all I've proven is that I haven't built my own PC (yay, for being broke), I don't know much about Win8 (This is due mainly because I can't stand it to be willing to go through unneed stress from it and I only got it about 2 months ago), it's not a good idea to try to redesign a computer when you're rushing to get to work, based on what a most people here have said most of the big computer people on YouTube are wrong about just about everything they've said about GPUs (this truly wouldn't surprise me), when someone doesn't say enough about what they are looking for answers for it can turn into a mess, a lot of people tend to say the same thing others have said, most people think the days of the optical drives are dead, we can all agree that MCFlameCraft over spent on his computer, and even though just about every poll and most computers nuts, except for youtubers, say that Win8 is awful the people of PMC still seem to think Win8 is good and should be used in a build instead of Win7.

ObscurityGamer

Afootpluto

ObscurityGamer
Linux, Win XP, Win7. Turn on computer press the button corresponding with your MOBO, or the one you are prompted to.
Win8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZcYbxOcPV0

If it is a pre-built maybe. but for custom builds it is pressing the correct key when u r turning on ur PC

Well that's good to know, that's 1 thing to mark off the list of reasons not to buy Win8 that I've discovered. Would you mind helping with the rest?

I am done replying to these things because you have proven u don't know much about computers.

Afootpluto

ObscurityGamer
Linux, Win XP, Win7. Turn on computer press the button corresponding with your MOBO, or the one you are prompted to.
Win8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZcYbxOcPV0

If it is a pre-built maybe. but for custom builds it is pressing the correct key when u r turning on ur PC

Well that's good to know, that's 1 thing to mark off the list of reasons not to buy Win8 that I've discovered. Would you mind helping with the rest?

Afootpluto

ObscurityGamer

Afootpluto
1. U DON'T need 32 GB of RAM

No, really?
If you even bothered to look at the last 2 links you would see a huge lack of 32GB of RAM. Gee, I wonder why.

U dont need 16 either.

I know, Toad already made mention of this. I really don't have much of a reason for not switching from 16GB to 8GB, but I didn't and you don't need to go repeating what other people have said unless it's a quote and has good reason.

ObscurityGamer

Afootpluto

ObscurityGamer
Also here is my re-edit http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36ZvdC. It's about $14 over the $2000 budget but it's overclockable, has a better GPU, head room for Crossfire, Win7 with support for 32GB of RAM (Which I know is going to be WAY more than he needs), 2 2TB dirves (Also more the he needs), and if you want to bring down the price http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yqMrRB. Keep in mind I was making this build to show him what he could get for the money he spent on his computer. Something more reasonable for him to get, without having 100% fact as to what he needs, would be this http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vcLH7P. And since there are so many confused Win8 lovers http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6xqQcf. Now then I know the price can be drought down even more by using an i5 instead of an i7, removing the Blu-ray drive, and using a r9 280 - 290 instead of the r9 290x. However, since we can't know 100% for sure if he's doing heavy or light rendering until he tells us I'll be sticking with the i7, I'm going to just assume that he wants to watch Blu-rays on his computer (and some people are still going to want optical drives for installing Windows), and since you're spending this kind of money on a computer you should go a head and get that r9 290x.

1. U DON'T need 32 GB of RAM

No, really?
If you even bothered to look at the last 2 links you would see a huge lack of 32GB of RAM. Gee, I wonder why.

U dont need 16 either.

ObscurityGamer
Linux, Win XP, Win7. Turn on computer press the button corresponding with your MOBO, or the one you are prompted to.
Win8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZcYbxOcPV0

If it is a pre-built maybe. but for custom builds it is pressing the correct key when u r turning on ur PC

Afootpluto

ObscurityGamer
Also here is my re-edit http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36ZvdC. It's about $14 over the $2000 budget but it's overclockable, has a better GPU, head room for Crossfire, Win7 with support for 32GB of RAM (Which I know is going to be WAY more than he needs), 2 2TB dirves (Also more the he needs), and if you want to bring down the price http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yqMrRB. Keep in mind I was making this build to show him what he could get for the money he spent on his computer. Something more reasonable for him to get, without having 100% fact as to what he needs, would be this http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vcLH7P. And since there are so many confused Win8 lovers http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6xqQcf. Now then I know the price can be drought down even more by using an i5 instead of an i7, removing the Blu-ray drive, and using a r9 280 - 290 instead of the r9 290x. However, since we can't know 100% for sure if he's doing heavy or light rendering until he tells us I'll be sticking with the i7, I'm going to just assume that he wants to watch Blu-rays on his computer (and some people are still going to want optical drives for installing Windows), and since you're spending this kind of money on a computer you should go a head and get that r9 290x.

1. U DON'T need 32 GB of RAM

No, really?
If you even bothered to look at the last 2 links you would see a huge lack of 32GB of RAM. Gee, I wonder why.

Afootpluto

ObscurityGamercurrently using Win8. I hate the feel, I hate how it won't let me use most of my compilers or do really most of my coding without having to do editing who knows where, I hate the feel (I installed Classic Start because this part bugged me so much I was ready to throw my computer out a window), I hate how much more, unnecessary effort it takes to get to the BIOS.

I never had problems with compilers.

U access the bios the same no matter what operating system u r using.[/quote]
Linux, Win XP, Win7. Turn on computer press the button corresponding with your MOBO, or the one you are prompted to.
Win8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZcYbxOcPV0

What compiler(s) are you using?

ObscurityGamer
Also here is my re-edit http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36ZvdC. It's about $14 over the $2000 budget but it's overclockable, has a better GPU, head room for Crossfire, Win7 with support for 32GB of RAM (Which I know is going to be WAY more than he needs), 2 2TB dirves (Also more the he needs), and if you want to bring down the price http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yqMrRB. Keep in mind I was making this build to show him what he could get for the money he spent on his computer. Something more reasonable for him to get, without having 100% fact as to what he needs, would be this http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vcLH7P. And since there are so many confused Win8 lovers http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6xqQcf. Now then I know the price can be drought down even more by using an i5 instead of an i7, removing the Blu-ray drive, and using a r9 280 - 290 instead of the r9 290x. However, since we can't know 100% for sure if he's doing heavy or light rendering until he tells us I'll be sticking with the i7, I'm going to just assume that he wants to watch Blu-rays on his computer (and some people are still going to want optical drives for installing Windows), and since you're spending this kind of money on a computer you should go a head and get that r9 290x.

1. U DON'T need 32 GB of RAM

ObscurityGamercurrently using Win8. I hate the feel, I hate how it won't let me use most of my compilers or do really most of my coding without having to do editing who knows where, I hate the feel (I installed Classic Start because this part bugged me so much I was ready to throw my computer out a window), I hate how much more, unnecessary effort it takes to get to the BIOS.

I never had problems with compilers.
U access the bios the same no matter what operating system u r using.

Afootpluto

ObscurityGamer
Also here is my re-edit http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36ZvdC. It's about $14 over the $2000 budget but it's overclockable, has a better GPU, head room for Crossfire, Win7 with support for 32GB of RAM (Which I know is going to be WAY more than he needs), 2 2TB dirves (Also more the he needs), and if you want to bring down the price http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yqMrRB. Keep in mind I was making this build to show him what he could get for the money he spent on his computer. Something more reasonable for him to get, without having 100% fact as to what he needs, would be this http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vcLH7P. And since there are so many confused Win8 lovers http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6xqQcf. Now then I know the price can be drought down even more by using an i5 instead of an i7, removing the Blu-ray drive, and using a r9 280 - 290 instead of the r9 290x. However, since we can't know 100% for sure if he's doing heavy or light rendering until he tells us I'll be sticking with the i7, I'm going to just assume that he wants to watch Blu-rays on his computer (and some people are still going to want optical drives for installing Windows), and since you're spending this kind of money on a computer you should go a head and get that r9 290x.

(facepalm)

Okay, I already said if you're going to say something explain why. Actions speak louder than words so I'm really going to need some explanation.

ObscurityGamer
Also here is my re-edit http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36ZvdC. It's about $14 over the $2000 budget but it's overclockable, has a better GPU, head room for Crossfire, Win7 with support for 32GB of RAM (Which I know is going to be WAY more than he needs), 2 2TB dirves (Also more the he needs), and if you want to bring down the price http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yqMrRB. Keep in mind I was making this build to show him what he could get for the money he spent on his computer. Something more reasonable for him to get, without having 100% fact as to what he needs, would be this http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vcLH7P. And since there are so many confused Win8 lovers http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6xqQcf. Now then I know the price can be drought down even more by using an i5 instead of an i7, removing the Blu-ray drive, and using a r9 280 - 290 instead of the r9 290x. However, since we can't know 100% for sure if he's doing heavy or light rendering until he tells us I'll be sticking with the i7, I'm going to just assume that he wants to watch Blu-rays on his computer (and some people are still going to want optical drives for installing Windows), and since you're spending this kind of money on a computer you should go a head and get that r9 290x.

(facepalm)

And the FPS increase isn't worth the cost if there is a increase at all.

What?

Also here is my re-edit http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36ZvdC. It's about $14 over the $2000 budget but it's overclockable, has a better GPU, head room for Crossfire, Win7 with support for 32GB of RAM (Which I know is going to be WAY more than he needs), 2 2TB dirves (Also more the he needs), and if you want to bring down the price http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yqMrRB. Keep in mind I was making this build to show him what he could get for the money he spent on his computer. Something more reasonable for him to get, without having 100% fact as to what he needs, would be this http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vcLH7P. And since there are so many confused Win8 lovers http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6xqQcf. Now then I know the price can be drought down even more by using an i5 instead of an i7, removing the Blu-ray drive, and using a r9 280 - 290 instead of the r9 290x. However, since we can't know 100% for sure if he's doing heavy or light rendering until he tells us I'll be sticking with the i7, I'm going to just assume that he wants to watch Blu-rays on his computer (and some people are still going to want optical drives for installing Windows), and since you're spending this kind of money on a computer you should go a head and get that r9 290x.

Afootpluto

ObscurityGamermy original point on Win8, it SUCKS.

ummmm no, it is faster than window 7

^
And its so much neater ;w;

ObscurityGamermy original point on Win8, it SUCKS.

ummmm no, it is faster than window 7

What was actually wrong with your build was that you gave him an overclocking motherboard and an overkill CPU cooler with a non overclockable CPU, he never said anything about PhysX so AMD would be the better choice. You did admit the SSD was too big, but he also doesn't need a blu ray drive or such an expensive wifi adapter. The power supply is also overkill and everyone should be going for Windows 8 on a new build, there is no reason to not do it.

You should be aware that SLI/Crossfire won't change Minecraft's performance.

SLI and CrossFire require specific implementation by the program/game in question to do anything special - and even then, it's only specific processing units of the graphics card that are even used. It doesn't give you double FPS or anything silly like that.

Minecraft doesn't implement SLI/CrossFire; the game will only suffer from having that enabled, as it has been proven that efficiency is reduced if you try to use it when it is not actively being used by the program.

That being said, Minecraft is moreso CPU intensive than GPU because of the Java Virtual Machine. 1.8 will be a bit better since a lot of the geometry has moved to VBOs, but you should still be aware that you do not want your CPU to be the bottleneck.

Even if your motherboard supported SLI, you can't sli 750 ti's.

No, your motherboard does not support SLI. I'd sell the whole computer on eBay, or give it back to whoever built it and ask for a refund. It's really, really badly done. There's a overclockable CPU in it (an i7, which is pretty much over the top anyways), but not an aftermarket CPU cooler or an overclockable motherboard. It's also got enough storage for a man to get lost in for years and never find what he was looking for.

However, if you're looking to upgrade the GPU anyways, I'd suggest selling the 750 ti for £95 or £100, and buying an r9 290. It will definitely do what you need and more.

I'm in the same boat as you MCFlameCraft. But when it comes down to it you did over spend on that computer. Here's the link to the pc I designed for myself for the same purpose http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Y4xMTW. Also I took a look at the motherboard you're using and there is nothing in the specs to allow me to know 100% that it can support SLI but nothing to tell me that it can't. And since I looked at your computer's specs I'll take a guess and say that you don't need wi-fi so here's a link to a computer without a card and a $1900 budget in mind http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/. And with that $1900 you could still add in another HDD. Next time you have someone build a custom computer for you make sure you know what you're getting into.

You also said you were mainly looking at getting more FPS in minecraft based games. Upgrading your graphics card will help but not as much as you are probably hoping since Minecraft uses your CPU more that GPU.

I do quite a bit of rendering, I also allocate a lot of Ram to my Programs.

Well, this is my complete build:


1 x Asus H87M-Plus Socket 1150 HDMI DVI 8-Channel Audio mATX Motherboard
2 x Value Ram 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 Non-ECC CL10 DIMM HyperX Blu
1 x Asus GTX 750 Ti OC 2GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI PCI-E Graphics card
1 x LG UH12NS30 Internal 12 x Blu Ray Read 16x DVD Write Combo Drive - OEM
1 x Corsair CSM 650W Semi Modular 80+ Gold Power Supply
2x WD 2TB 3.5 inch Internal Hard Drive - Black
2x Akasa AK-274CG-4GNS 12cm Green LED case fan
1x Kingston Technology 240GB Solid State Drive 2.5-inch V300 SATA 3
1x Intel Core i7 4770K Quad Core Retail CPU (Socket 1150, 3.50GHz, 8MB, Haswell, 84W, Intel Graphics, BX80646I74770K, 4th Generation Intel Core, Turbo Boost Technology 2.0)
1x ADVANCE Hunter X PC Tower Case in black with green LED

You spent that much on a computer with only a 750ti? Why? Just why? You wasted so much money. You should have built it. You could have gotten something that would utterly destroy that "gaming pc" you bough for less money.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£157.99 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£80.81 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£105.56 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£53.15 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£77.10 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£36.00 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB PCS+ Video Card (£285.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Gunmetal/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£74.40 @ Kustom PCs)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£49.93 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£11.32 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£79.18 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1011.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Since you want an upgrade get the GPU Afoot recommended. Also, what are the rest of your specs?

Here is a good GPU that is a little over budget http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr928xoc3gd

I think it only support cross-fire not SLI

Around £150 - £200.

So does the Motherboard support two graphics cards? I'll show you a picture from google: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=H87M+ ... B728%3B460

what is ur budget for a new card?

Do you have Skype, please add me we can write there as its more easier.

Skype: opticflames

No, it was my dads mate. I was there at times when he built it.

did u build ur computer?

On the picture it says PCI Express 3.0/2.0 and it only shows one golden slot thing. Anyways, if this is not possible, what other graphics card would get me about 300 FPS on Minecraft Hexxit? I currently get 80-100 and on normal minecraft 200-300 max settings, its still not what I expected for a £1100 PC.

do u have 2 PCI 16x slots?

Okay, but can it still get two graphics cards?

I would suggest getting a better GPU instead of running 2 in SLI