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Factions Servers, and why they are so awful these days.

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First off, I do not hate factions,in fact, I love factions so incredibly much. However, I have recently found that factions servers have been using factions the wrong way.

Recently, a friend and I felt like finding a good faction server, to test out our skills ( we had somehow just mined 6 stacks of iron in less than a hour, and decided to see how we would fare on a faction server if we could mine that amount up on there as well), however a few hours later, we were both sat horrified at the complete lack of what we were looking for.

We found countless faction servers had completely no idea how to make a faction server. This immediately became apparent when you spawned with not just a few iron tools, but a whole stack of diamond blocks, and a complete set of enchanted diamond armour. Despite our horror at the servers we found that did this, we played on to see if that was just one negative thing among a sea of positives. However, when we checked the list of plug-ins we found a whole bunch of protective add-ons, such as lockette, and lwc.
This was not just one server, this was pretty much every one we found. We didn't find a single server that we were satisfied with enough to stay on.

Perhaps my time owning a server is making me say this, but a faction server should never give players a single iron ingot, never mind a full set of glowing blue gear and a sword that could kill a zombie in a single kit. The idea of letting players protect the chests and making them unable for other people to open on a faction server is simply ridiculous.

These excuses of faction servers are a complete and utter abomination to what a faction server, in my friend's and my opinion, should be, and what we are used to playing.
A "Good Ol' Faction Server", should start off with a player receiving nothing more than, at the most, a leather kit of armour, a set of stone tools, and a few apples. The player should then flee from the spawn point, escaping the watchful eyes of experienced factioners roaming around spawn in iron gear with their diamond swords, looking for an easy kill. They should travel to a location far from any other possible raiders, and attempt to seclude themselves within the thousands of millions of surrounding blocks. Spending the first night in, most likely, a make-shift camp, when at at any second a powerful faction could walk over a hill and end your short life, is one of the most thrilling and exciting experiences a player can witness in minecraft. They should then spend their time gathering resources for themselves, and attempting to hide their precious valuables within the caves or hills they call home.
Soon, it shall get to a point, after various betrayals and various raids of enemies' bases, that the player originally darting away from diamond swords soon shall carry his/her own, and be chasing those who are just starting off, just like they did, back at the start of their factioning career.
This is factions at it's best, but what I see around me these days, is simply a disgrace to what once was. Perhaps these servers intend for the players to get straight to fighting, or perhaps they think that by giving people everything, they cannot whine for anything more. This should not be the way it is. If a player needs to whine for items and resources, they do not belong on a faction server. If your are a server owner and want players to be able to go straight to PvP, you do not need the factions plug-in.

Please, do not mis-use the factions plug-in. It is meant for people to be able to earn their own protection, that anyone could bypass if they were not skilful enough, not for players to be able to kill people around spawn repeatedly, take their stuff, and stuff into a chest that nobody but them can get their hands on.

Overall, a few tips for server owners:
1. Give a kit consisting of nothing more, if even, a leather kit of armour, stone tools, and a few apples.
2. Disable ender chests, as they are unfair for raiders. Think about it, a chest can contain 27 stacks of diamond block,that's 1,728 diamond blocks, or 15,552 diamonds.
3. Enable fire-spread, and explosions. They play a great part in faction raiding.
4. Enable chests raiding, if someone can get into a base without belonging to the faction, the base isn't good enough.
5. Don't go overboard with the shops. The prices should be harsh, so that players have to earn resources themselves, instead of trading a stack of wood for a diamond chest-plate.
6. If you don't want these things on your server, ask yourself, why are you making it a faction/pvp in the first place? If you can't find an answer, it's time to stop the drop parties, or change your server's type.

Thank you for reading my view on what is wrong with factions these days. Post a comment if you agree, or post a thought-through argument if you don't. A diamond or a favourite is always appreciated. :)

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  • jtrent238
  • Level 60
  • High Grandmaster Modder
  • February 25, 2016, 2:25 pm
Im Making A Factions Server Its Going To Be Good.
  • VividElites
  • Level 11
  • Journeyman Miner
  • October 14, 2015, 5:35 pm
I feel as from my experience when joining new servers that's servers tut give you leather and stone tools always seem to be boo you servers and not really professional I agree with almost everything you said. But on my server you get a kit start with iron armor and diamond sword with some steak wood and 5 diamonds. It's not rediculously op but it kinda fits for what you're saying if someone has prot 4 and sharp 5 swords there is no at spawn that they're gonna survive. Also I know on some servers players like the chests openable in claimed land. But no base is ever unraideable (except for some bedrock vaults). So then they can just continue to cannon into the base and just blow up the chests. Also they have the chance to get creeper eggs in the game.

if anyone wants to reply and offer some kind criticism I would be more than happy to hear it as long as you're kind and respectful!
I totally agree with everything you said, I'm making my own Factions server at the momment and I'm going to abide by all of your rules. Players need to earn their resources without getting them handed to them
Thanks for the tip! #minewake will be changing up our faction server!
  • CptSparky
  • Level 1
  • New Crafter
  • October 26, 2014, 7:28 pm
Excellently written. A diamond for you. 
I have noticed among a lot of Faction servers these days that most items are so incredibly easy to obtain  and there is very much a "pay-to-play" feel.  I've been trying to help my friend renovate his Faction server, and I think that it's getting a lot better then it was a few months ago (because of a terrible co-owner who got fired and left). The economy and PvP are getting a lot more balanced, and the kits are smaller, so we re-opened for Beta-Testers to help us out.

I think a big problem is that even when we had our Faction server at top-notch fun, it was just so hard to get noticed and get more players. There are a lot of excellent faction servers out there that just get unnoticed because they don't always have 10,000 votes and 500+ players. 
Anyways, nice article,  I'll subscribe.
  • lobie10
  • Level 8
  • Apprentice Artist
  • July 10, 2014, 2:50 pm
Thank goodness this is not one of those blogs that say factions is terrible because "there's too many", and "it encourages griefing". Anyways, I agree with ya.
  • jadedwolf424
  • Level 19
  • Journeyman Archer
  • March 14, 2014, 12:18 pm
"Lets get creative! "
    -Paige, the notepad
What's your favorite idea? Mine is being creative.
Oh my gosh, how did I leave this unreplied to for a month? I'm so so sorry. I must have just missed your comment. :(
Also I'm afraid I think you just made a reference that flew right over my head. Sorry about that, too.
  • Gigorahk
  • Level 53
  • Grandmaster Taco
  • February 19, 2014, 9:37 pm
The thing with me is... I have played Minecraft for quite some time now. The thing about faction servers is that mods have murdered PVP. I refuse to spend hours as you suggest gathering resources to either get killed by some cheater with NODUS. Or either get XRAYED by some 12 year old kid. Perhaps I would enjoy faction is it was based on skills, and not on whether or not you have an aimbot.
  • Haras
  • Level 1
  • New Crafter
  • February 20, 2014, 11:28 am
Cheating can be easily found, and also easily bannable.
  • Gigorahk
  • Level 53
  • Grandmaster Taco
  • February 20, 2014, 7:34 pm
I would like to see that put into action. I used to play on a very popular pvp server, until they legalized cheating. Then I was like "That's not cool" and pretty much stopped playing.
  • edude44
  • Level 7
  • Apprentice Engineer
  • February 18, 2014, 2:32 am
I completely agree with this. Have a diamond, good sir.
Thank you! :)
umm just wondering is factions like pvp survival? because that's what you made it sound like and if so that's what I've been searching for. not the walls
Yes, a Faction server is quite like a PvP/Survival server. Factions is a plug-in that allows users to claim land to prevent players building there, but the aim of it is to raid other bases using TNT cannons to enter bases and retrieve their loots. A good Factions server is amazingly fun, in my opinion better than a survival/PvP, but as I said, that is simply my opinion.
oh that makes a lot of sense. so you can loot bases but you cant just go up to a base and destroy the whole thing. you have to make creative ways to get in.
what do all the capital A's do I didn't put them in my comment.
It's a glitched symbol. I don't see them, don't worry.
Exactly. It's a lot of fun usually, well, at least it used to be.
I saw the how to grief page and so you seem to have a lot of ideas for being creative.
Well thank you. :)
well the only thing that I personally disagree with on this is ender chests should be enabled. its really hard to get them (never made one but I do know the crafting recipe) and so it is a bit of a reward to be sure that when you log off you will have some stuff if you get looted and people who are looting bases can use them for holding supplies for a journey to another guys base.
I understand how they are useful outside of factions, but on a faction server they mean raiding is useless. People within the faction would split their materials between themselves and place them into the chest. Once they are in the chest, nobody can ever get them. What if you spent a stack of TNT to get into a base to find only an ender chest?
I guess but you can only hold a chests worth of stuff so once you fill it up you need actual chests
You could store 15,552 diamonds in an ender chest. xD
I don't know, it's my opinion. xD
thats true but ive never had more than 10 diamonds in vinilla minecraft just my noobiness i guess :P
hey whats the server ip cause I've also been searching for that server without all the (evil) protections
Yes, the unfortunate thing is the server that I found no longer is online, so I unfortunately can't use it or give you the IP. I have found any good ones since, either. :(
Hopefully you'll find something eventually, tell me if you do. :)
oh well guess I've just got to keep searching
I'm sorry, but I'm afraid so. :(
hey! its not factions but its close enough I found a good server that barley gives you any thing and its pure survival griefing allowed. :)
  • Mr Zybez
  • Level 46
  • Master Artist
  • February 16, 2014, 5:57 am
We tried a factions server for a tiny bit, and it didn't go well. not because we set it up wrong, just that the players that join faction servers already have some sort of expectations that we simply disagreed on. We beleaved in the same things you had said in this article. we have one exception from what you said. We believed that factions needed to have more teamwork less lone wolfing. the thing we hated was that any one player could take down an entire faction no matter the size by himself. having that happened defeated the point in having teammates. in fact it was easiest to destroy the faction you were part of. so we did a few things to help build teamwork and make the server more pvp focused less lonewolfing and tnt. we took tnt block damage off and fire spread off. i know those are 2 things you said never to do. heres the reasons why we did this. we wanted players to build epic base ABOVE GROUND, not an obby box in the dirt. we also chaged the powerloss to be greater and the faction land size to be larger. doing this was supposed to encourage big epic bases above ground that if players died there would be larger sacrifice. we wanted more price for losing a life to give the server a more pvp focus and harder feel. by removing tnt and firespread we thought the players would be more willing to attack head on in battles, instead of 1 player hoping on at 2am while they enemy sleeps. eventuly we decided factions wasn't right because the players that see the word factions automatically assume one type of game play.
Hm, that is a very interesting approach to Factions. I have to say it sounds fun, but the only problem I see is that a lot of bases would be impenetrable. You could build a cobblestone house and nobody could get in. I think that the factions plugin is designed mainly for raiding, not PvP, which is unfortunate because what you described seems to be quite an enjoyable experience. If you give people the factions power though, the only way they can break into a base without joining it is TNT cannons or burning a hole in a wall, and with that disabled you simply couldn't gain entry.
I have to say factions does support lone wolves and larger clans equally. A lone wolf can do very well if they are skilful and secretive, but larger factions will ultimately rule the server. I think you should give it another go, with TNT and fire spread enabled. I would recommend setting up an economy selling cheap building materials to encourage above ground bases, and perhaps have a weekly prise for the best base to make everyone try harder on presentation. Hopefully you get everything sorted out. :)
  • Mr Zybez
  • Level 46
  • Master Artist
  • February 16, 2014, 3:51 pm
"the only way they can break into a base without joining it is TNT cannons or burning a hole in a wall, and with that disabled you simply couldn't gain entry."

"we also changed the powerloss to be greater and the faction land size to be larger."

The Faction land was 32x32 instead of 16x16, players only had 10 power instead of 15, when players died they lost 2 power instead of 1.5, and it took 2 hours instead of 1 to regain that lost power.

This was done to encourage wars and fighting. With TNT and fire spread off, and with death having such a heavy toll, we fiugured it would lead to wars.

If you want in to someone base. PvP to gain access. that was the goal.

NOTE: We are going to be trying again in the near future. we are remodeling the factions plugin to suit our needs better. :D
  • Aximili
  • Level 74
  • Legendary Snark
  • February 16, 2014, 3:31 am
Bad economy systems.
How terribly true.
  • Zylerius
  • Level 28
  • Expert Network
  • February 15, 2014, 7:03 pm
I'm tired of faction servers. I search, "Skyblock" and I get, "FACTIONS! PVP! GRIEFING!" And unoriginality written all over it. I'm tired of every new server having "FACTIONS! PVP! GRIEFING! ORIGINALITY DECREASED!" All over it. And servers that I find that I like the looks of have whitelisting on it to prevent griefers and hackers, and say, "Join Whitelist Here!" To go through a million questions, answering all true, to be told no. Cause I was thought to be lieing when I wasn't. Then I watch griefers log on fine through the whitelist fine, and have them grief that server. So yeah I'm pretty annoying right now with this blog, not at you. Your encouraging faction server creaters, making it where the people who don't like faction servers have no where to go. I ain't mad at ya. Its not your fault, its the creators of the Faction Server. As much as I agree with you, honestly, the faction servers are annoying and no one can do anything about it. Mainly people are quitting Minecraft servers cause they can't find a decent server that doesn't have factions or anything they don't like.

Again, I ain't blaming you. But a Faction creator can stumble upon this and see, "Oh this blog says that its soooo encouraged to make one! -Makes one even if its unoriginal- -Watches subs decrease- -Makes a rant on it-" I watched someone do that with a blog like this. I'm tired of these faction servers. :l

And I disagree with the protections. Some factions won't allow you to join because you don't have what they want, or you have it, but they don't care. There should be a way to deny locking chests for factions, but for people not in a faction they can lock their chest, and anti-grief their house. All the survivals now seem to be pvp, factions, spawn killing, and griefing with no anti-grief mod that uses sticks or something to keep the house safe.

When I say, "I blame the blog, but not you" I mean some people will take the blog wrong nowadays and, yes, follow it, but add onto the list of faction servers I mean, isn't there enough faction servers? There's no use in creating a rant about it since all it would do is create either more damage or no one will listen, but yeah.

But this factions owning all the land with trees they see is ridiculous. :l
  • Gigorahk
  • Level 53
  • Grandmaster Taco
  • February 19, 2014, 9:47 pm
I agree with you. I am tired of Faction servers. I to have nearly quit Minecraft because I cannot find a proper server. I sign onto a server with 500+ players on, and cannot understand why any of them play. The features suck, the staff suck, you don't feel welcomed, it's hard to get ahead. I sit for 5 minutes messaging admins and mods and none of them reply. All I wanted to know was a few questions. They only care when you say you want to donate.
I agree that Faction servers are somewhat over-popularised, and even more controversial. It's sort of the Marmite of minecraft servers, so I understand how you might not like them.
This blog wasn't aimed at people who want to create a server, but server owners who are already run factions. I see it as abused by server owners these days, so that hardly any faction server is fun. In it's current state I wouldn't mind wiping them all out completely. However, faction servers that I have been on in the past have been amazing. I've met long-lasting friends on them, and they gave me some of the best experiences in minecraft I've had.
I think the problem is that servers aren't dedicated enough to a certain genre.
While there used to be Faction servers, PvP servers, survival servers, skyblock servers, etc. we now have Faction/PvP servers, PvP/survival servers, etc. The servers are trying to do everything at once and therefore each individual piece of the server is worse for it. There are plenty of good servers out there which allow building with protective software, I've found loads accidentally. It seems while I'm searching for a faction server I only find building servers, and while you search for building servers you only find faction servers. Well, anyways, I hope you can eventually find a server you are after. If I ever find one by accident I'll send you the IP. :)
  • PixelCrash_
  • Retired Moderator
  • Level 59
  • Grandmaster Pixel Puncher
  • February 15, 2014, 4:26 pm
On a skyblock server, I happened to pass through a drop party and got 2 stacks of diamond blocks. Yet, I couldn't do anything because I had lost my water (couldn't make cobblestone) and there were no shops to sell the stuff.

You mentioned in your article how annoying you find it to allow players to protect chests, well many people think differently. I was on a factions server that apparently had no plugins preventing x-ray hacks because people kept finding my base even though it was thousands of blocks from spawn and deep underground. It would have been nice to keep some of my stuff in protected chests, but instead I just logged out with my most valuable items. That was a bad server; it also had a problem with drop parties and such.

Anyway, excellent article. I would leave a diamond but I seem to already have done so.
I would argue that a faction server should have both no chest protection and anti-xray/cheating plug-ins. Though yes, an x-ray hacker is always possible unfortunately. If you'd like a little hint, try to make your base as strong as possible before gathering resources. I'd recommend travelling really far out so people can't find you, which will give you time to make a base which isn't able to be breached. Yes, it's possible. 2 Obsidian walls with lava in between them should stop anyone from getting in. Don't create entrances or exits, instead use warps to get above ground to cut down trees. If you can I recommend building an underground tree farm, but I admit it would be quite resource intensive. You should be able to store everything nicely and be perfectly safe. Of course it takes a lot of work to get there, anyone who holds that sort of base will basically rule the server, so everyone else will try to stop you getting to that point. Just seal you're chests with Obsidian if you can't be overly bothered, and x-rayers shouldn't be able to get your stuff.

Thanks for the (second?) diamond, or at least the sentiment behind it. You left a diamond here 5 months ago, in case you were wondering. :)
  • Kellen008
  • Level 4
  • Apprentice Network
  • December 23, 2013, 8:58 am
Good guide, sort of true. I'll try to follow these guidelines for my server from now on :D
Thanks, hope your server does well. :)
what's the server ip?
  • PixelCrash_
  • Retired Moderator
  • Level 59
  • Grandmaster Pixel Puncher
  • September 17, 2013, 1:37 pm
I also find drop parties annoying on survival servers; it kind of defeats the purpose of going out and finding your own resources. This was a very well written article, so here's a diamond.
  • Karoomz
  • Level 21
  • Expert Nerd
  • September 12, 2013, 12:07 pm
This is very true. :/

Maybe they just don't know where to find a source of faction servers. ._.

I've never really been a fan of them unless I have a decent faction. ^-^
Sorry for the picture not showing up btw, no idea what's up with it. It shows as a thumbnail on most pages. Must be something wrong with PMC.
All fixed now. :P
  • Lethalpark
  • Level 1
  • New Network
  • August 8, 2013, 5:09 pm
Gotta Admit, this is REALLY happening on the faction's servers. DIAMOND TO YOU, FAV AND SUB!
Thanks for your support! :D
  • Cypher777
  • Level 38
  • Artisan Grump
  • August 8, 2013, 3:33 pm
Awesome article, Pixel! I admire your warrior spirit! A true warrior such as yourself wants a challenge and the excitement of risk and danger. I fully agree that chest protection, block protection, and free kit totally spoils what Minecraft PVP is all about. It would be a pleasure to do battle both at your side or against you.
  • marrioman13
  • Level 4
  • Apprentice Engineer
  • August 8, 2013, 11:53 am
for those that feel TL;DR
Faction servers that use Lockette etc. are pointless and ruin the fun, along with those that give players good stuff from the start.
Pretty much, yeah. I only noticed how much I had written after I posted the blog. xD
  • marrioman13
  • Level 4
  • Apprentice Engineer
  • August 8, 2013, 2:54 pm
nah, I feel longer blogs are better, no confusion, I just know some who dislike it :P
  • Oddissee
  • Level 1
  • New Explorer
  • August 8, 2013, 9:58 am
That's why my factions server has none of this. Lmao, people that run faction servers now a days we're most likely lazy in other factions server and got given all their items. Me; I know how to run a factions server, just don't know how to get the people. I think my factions server is well balanced in economy and the plugins are more "PVP" then "Give-Away". Nice blog.
  • DXWang_
  • Level 33
  • Artisan Nerd
  • August 8, 2013, 11:34 am
I'll come :D
  • Oddissee
  • Level 1
  • New Explorer
  • August 8, 2013, 12:34 pm
See you there.
Thanks, I'll give you server a go. :) You've posted your IP somewhere on PlanetMinecraft, yeah?
  • Oddissee
  • Level 1
  • New Explorer
  • August 8, 2013, 10:38 am
Yep, should be under my posts/under my profile.
Not really popular but oh well takes time.
I know how hard it is to get a solid fanbase, and how unfair getting attention is. You could so much effort into a server, and get no response. I'm coming onto your server now. :)
  • DXWang_
  • Level 33
  • Artisan Nerd
  • August 8, 2013, 9:51 am
I. Completely. Agree. At first I was confused as to what the problem was with protective plugins (1st year of Minecraft), but then I realized you were totally right. Basically ALL Faction servers nowadays lack the actual feeling of... I can't even describe it, I NEVER FLIPPING GOT TO EXPERIENCE IT MYSELF! Gah. So anyways, this post shed a new light on me XD... Diamond and new Subscriber for you!
Thanks for your feedback, it's much appreciated! :D
You missed out, it was real great back then, I wish the good faction servers were easier to find these days.
  • DXWang_
  • Level 33
  • Artisan Nerd
  • August 8, 2013, 11:08 am
:D When and if you do get your server up PLEASE tell me.
Sure, I will. I hope to get it up a while after I finish the map I'm making. Once it's finished, my server shouldn't take long until it's up as well. :P

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