I have had trouble with mods since day one. I know to delete the META-inf and put the stuff into the .jar, but it always ends up giving me the black screen. I have come to deleting the bin and re-installing it over and over and very VERY carefully reading and re-reading the instructions to make sure i didn't miss anything. The only mod i got working was too many items (not put in by me) and a furniture mod. Then i tried installing a mo's creatures, but then i had no furniture! In frustration I deleted the bin once again and decided to stop modding to save me the trouble from buying a new monitor (again). Not that it's the monitors fault.... So what is the deal here? do i need certain modloaders for certain mods? do i need to patch it? i just dont get how it's so easy for so many people to mod their minecraft and where it seems i am doing EVERYthing correctly that mine just ends up freezing. And another thing is i just thought of is that i still have windows vista. idk if that makes it more difficult for modding but its a possibility i guess. feel free to give me your feedback on this.