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YOU are addicted to the level system [RANT]

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avatar Alvtron
Level 79 : Legendary War Lord
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This rant is for those who take the level-system to seriously:

After being active here for almost 2 months, I've noticed one thing that really disturbs and annoys me. I'm not implying that the level-system is bad. Frankly, I see it as a nice award.

So the problem is that people tend to take the level-system more seriously. Blogs about how to get more XP are made. Spamming/duplicating of the one creation or bad unfinished content happens. All this leads to a uncreative, unoriginal community, filled with people hungering for more XP. You are addicted.

Now why is this XP bar so important? In what way would that change anything? The only thing you can get rewarded with, is the chance to pick some new unlocked names/statuses. For example "Master Enderdragon". I do see that a new awesome name or more exclusive name is kinda cool to have, but I can't see how that alone, could fill the importance you guys are combining with the level-system.

Instead of trying to get a lot of XP and rank up so you can impress someone, try rather to create something unique that takes more time than usual. Post it early so you can get continuously feedback while you are working. By that, you're creating a wealthy comment-section, and a small group that follows your work. Be always open for changes, but stick to your original plan.

Back to the problem...

So why? Why are you whoring for attention and spamming a lot of bad content? Why is this level-system so important for you? What kind of reward do you bind with ranking up?

Please give me a reason below in the comments.

READ MORE ABOUT THIS HERE: http://www.planetminecraft.com/blog/exp-levels-and-all-that-put-in-a-rant/

~ Tiger, Uniblue Media

TL;DR: People are addicted to the level system and I am wondering why...
CreditTiger, Uniblue Media
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10/06/2012 6:56 pm
Level 41 : Master Nerd
LiamCraft
idc much about the levels, except I hate the "artisian" prefix. ~_~
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11/14/2012 8:20 pm
Level 29 : Expert Geek
Cal_Gaming
Does it make you feel like a fancy dominos pizza?
1
11/28/2012 5:43 pm
Level 41 : Master Nerd
LiamCraft
Yes, actually.
1
11/28/2012 5:44 pm
Level 29 : Expert Geek
Cal_Gaming
:3
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10/04/2012 3:31 pm
Level 32 : Artisan Toast
Unnatural
I agree, but i only care when i get to a big goal: lvl 40 etc
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10/03/2012 9:59 pm
Level 20 : Expert Taco
guygombaa
The levelling up system is actually a problem.

Please be aware, what I'm about to say dosen't really apply to me XD

See, what if somebody who's been making skins or maps for years now, & is really good at it, but they JUST join this website, & get absoultly no respect just because that bar reads "Level 1" It's not fair on them.

People with lower level's on ANYTHING are never taken seriously, infact, alot of you probablly will read this message and think it mean's nothing, because my bar still says Level 1.

So what if I haven't been on this one website as long as you? I've been on the MC forums for a year now, & I've been playing Minecraft since just after Alpha. I know what I'm talking about. I may not be the best Map maker or Skinner out there, but that's just because I haven't had alot of experience.

My experience isn't measured well by that bar. I've EARNED my experience. Have you?
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10/02/2012 3:30 pm
Level 22 : Expert Warrior
wespacectas
Oh yeah that's what i want to hear very nice speech filled with unique content and it says alo't in just one blog.This blog expresses how people should always post quality and quality of there own makings not copying or spamming or any unoriginal content.And this blog so well made that it just barley doesn't puncture the well fabricated sense of feelings of the people who read this blog.Diamond favorite and a subscribe to you. - wespacectas
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09/28/2012 7:52 am
Level 42 : Master Dragonborn
bhmiji077
i like getting xp... but i never posted and never will post a blog on how to get xp or make a blog only to get xp.. i don't understand why some people care so much about xp
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05/29/2012 3:45 pm
Level 16 : Journeyman Button Pusher
supergreen5
i use to be addicted to it but now im bored of it (after 2 days)
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05/29/2012 3:49 pm
Level 51 : Grandmaster Baconator
DeerLilac
same it got boring after level 3
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06/03/2012 11:15 pm
Level 18 : Journeyman Princess
bopart
I got bored after level 1.
There's like no point in levelling up 'cept your mini title thing.
:D Apprentice Princess.
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09/19/2012 6:39 am
Level 21 : Expert Archer
kingmit
he only reason why i would want a higher level is not because of the name, its because people will respect you on the site, i know i listen to advice from higher levels but i often don't like lvl 1's telling me how to improve and boasting that they could do much better!
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05/29/2012 8:57 am
Level 18 : Journeyman Artist
AlephNull
I saw someone ask for another to spam their creation in order to get xp. and someone did.



which makes pmc have less quality
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05/28/2012 10:55 am
Level 4 : Apprentice Mage
Darkeagle21
People like to have a way to compete with others.
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05/28/2012 3:29 am
Level 25 : Expert Engineer
IdealIdeas91
The level system is their way to compensate for their lack of no life.

They feel the higher their Lvl, the more attention they received which makes them feel more whole.

When really its just a piss poor substitute for real friends and more importantly a life in general.
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05/23/2012 7:21 pm
Level 27 : Expert Ninja
nintendoadam
i agree
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05/21/2012 2:51 am
Level 2 : Apprentice Explorer
stormbreaker92
-_- wow.....just wow.....this has got to be the fastest I have ever seen blog get out of hand with immature comments, not saying that it's your fault Uniblue but this is now simply stupid how petty everyone is getting with their replies. Look I know my opinion will probably be hit with nothing but insults and all, however I do wish to say these few things. First the talk about Uniblue's different posts for the different resolutions, please get over it, there's nothing wrong with wanting to show off a little (This is just what I would do if I actually had submissions) and be proud of ones work. Next the level system is both good and bad, it give users rewards for being active and contributing to the site. Now I do agree that if one uploads submissions to simply get xp then yes they are addicted to it, but this could also be used to push users to work harder to create more popular and loved content. Honestly the talk about ones level being a factor in people taking you seriously is unfortunately true. It's honestly a horrible way to treat others who actually try at their work and just get ignored. I have more opinions on this topic but if I was to type it all then it would be a essay (Not saying this isn't already) and not a comment. Oh and one more thing for those that say that Uniblue just created this for more xp I see no where on the blog that says please give me a diamond or favorite if you agree so (Without trying to sound disrespectful) I do agree with the blogs contents however I will not give a diamond or anything as Uniblue has said he doesn't care for xp and he can still take the time to see and understand my opinion unlike many here.....
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05/21/2012 3:25 am
Level 79 : Legendary War Lord
Alvtron
Thank you for your reply and for focusing more on the case. Sadly, a lot of people have looked more on my level, trying to lead the discussion away and focus more on why I shouldn't complain. I've chosen to ignore all such comments and I hope others do as well.

I do agree and admit that I have posted one texture pack in 5 different version due to that known people like Scuttles or Sphax, are doing the same thing. Which again leads me to that conclusion that it's accepted by most people. I also admit that I do it so more people would easier notice my texture and more easier, find it later. I really do want recognition for my work, like most others.

Yes, the level system has pros and cons. It's a good motivation and a nice form for reward after hard work. It's also setting differences between all creators and can easily indicate how much the creator has influenced in quantity. Sadly, it doesn't indicate the quality of the creators work, but if the level er very high, it's most likely high quality work, requested by many.

This can be both a good thing and a bad thing. People tend to respect and sometimes, agree to what "high-levelers" say, and usually don't pay so much extra attention to what "the regular/low-levelers" says. Again, this can be both good and bad. The XP stands for "experience points" and tips and constructive criticism from a high-leveler, is in some cases, more important or exclusive. Again, judging text by text and not by it's author is also important.

Not giving me a diamond is totally fine. As I have commented several times below, and hopefully stated above: I do not care for XP and it has a minimum to none value for me. Also, why should you? This is a blog about how the situation is, and about how people are posting their content, how the content appear and my thoughts. I shouldn't get a diamond for this. This text above took me a couple of minutes to write.

Anyway, thank you for your reply! :D
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05/20/2012 10:34 pm
Level 19 : Journeyman Pirate
Bleyd
I honestly don't get why people are complaining that a high level member is pointing out the flaws of the system. If anything, having a higher level shows more experience with the system and knowledge of what's wrong with it. If a level 3 made this blog, they would get bogged down by comments like "lolz u just jelus cos ur a nub"
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05/20/2012 11:27 pm
Level 69 : High Grandmaster Demolitionist
Camo7
"If anything, having a higher level shows more experience with the system and knowledge of what's wrong with it."
Actually, I would argue that being an active member of the site longer gives more experience in this matter, especially those of us who remember the Pre-XP era.
I do agree that it is better for a higher level member to make this type of blog though.
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05/21/2012 1:25 am
Level 79 : Legendary War Lord
Alvtron
Also, I have just been active here for 2 months. I don't have that much history knowledge, even though I have 112 000 XP points. I do have opinions.
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05/20/2012 10:29 pm
Level 23 : Expert Explorer
RoughSpirit
I wouldn't mind if they kept it or got rid of it, so long as I have my "Pony" title.
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05/20/2012 9:42 pm
Level 21 : Expert Artist
htrevor14
hi :D
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05/20/2012 2:43 pm
Level 33 : Artisan Taco
Reatos
Having a higher level means you will be more noticed, and that you will be praised by your subbers. You will also go onto the leaderboards, which will make you even more noticed. And when you're even more noticed, you will get donations if you set up a paypal account, or some other type of donating source. So really, they want a higher XP level, so they will earn money and be praised.
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05/20/2012 2:54 pm
Level 79 : Legendary War Lord
Alvtron
I would never have donated to a guy because of his LVL. If you ask me, that's just VERY STUPID.

I didn't really know people took the "LVL-leaderboards" seriously either and I can't rally image why they do. Oh well. Maybe I will never understand this big hunger for XP...
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05/20/2012 7:27 pm
Level 33 : Artisan Taco
Reatos
"I would never have donated to a guy because of his LVL. If you ask me, that's just VERY STUPID."

I do not mean his/her level makes people want to donate, I mean they donate because they aprreciate his/her work and feel that they need to give him/her something back for his/her hard work.
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05/21/2012 1:17 am
Level 79 : Legendary War Lord
Alvtron
Oh? My bad :/
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05/20/2012 2:25 pm
Level 48 : Master Batman
JoFF93
Hummm... I think this level system make us want to post better and better submissions !
For me it's a good way to give motivation
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05/20/2012 9:38 pm
Level 30 : Artisan Miner
zombiekiller10
what he was saying is instead of doing that, basically people spam with one basic sucky thing, like those "blank" in a hoodie skins that are everywhere
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05/20/2012 2:08 pm
Level 54 : Grandmaster Cowboy
SnargleBlargle
I'm not addicted. I just like uploading stuff and making people happy with my skins.
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05/20/2012 2:05 pm
Level 54 : Grandmaster Cowboy
SnargleBlargle
Looking at this picture makes me want to make a PMC Profile Generator
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05/20/2012 12:06 pm
Level 13 : Journeyman Blacksmith
Theoreticallyy
However, I do agree with what you are saying. I think being "noticed" of
PlanetMinecraft is just being a relatively high level. How else will
your name spread, and get clicked on? The other thing I dislike about
the level-system, is that when you scroll down and peak at the
subscribers, it's only the eight that are the highest level whom
subscribed to that specific person. In that way, PlanetMinecraft is
promoting this addiction and therefore, the rich with levels, just get
richer. Why? Because it is a matter of availability. Who wants to take
there time and and click on subscribers so they can see some low-level folks. The rich are getting richer, the poorer, remain poor.
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05/20/2012 11:30 pm
Level 69 : High Grandmaster Demolitionist
Camo7
"I think being "noticed" on Planet Minecraft is just being a relatively high level. How else will your name spread, and get clicked on?"
I disagree.
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05/21/2012 3:31 pm
Level 13 : Journeyman Blacksmith
Theoreticallyy
When you disagree, I would love to here why. Disagreeing has to be constructed on the basis of something. I disagree because...explanation is the format to properly represent yourself in an argument. I would love to here your points; debate is something I major in, so I find it fun.
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05/21/2012 8:37 pm
Level 69 : High Grandmaster Demolitionist
Camo7
Apologies, I wanted to see if you would respond. I had something to say, but was too tired at the time to write a coherent and intelligent response. So here goes (still not very awake).

I disagree with the notion that being a higher level automatically makes you "noticed." I think that being noticed by the community leads to having a high level. But you can also become a high level by having decent, but not particularly noticed submissions, over a long time span.
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05/20/2012 11:08 am
Level 32 : Artisan Skinner
solemnote
I just want the title of "pokemon" and "tacos"! I may be addicted to the level system, but I DO NOT COPY OTHER PEOPLE. :P
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05/20/2012 10:20 am
Level 27 : Expert Pixel Painter
Zombineman
Aren't you by making a post like this, trying to get XP?... just saying...
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05/20/2012 1:16 pm
Level 79 : Legendary War Lord
Alvtron
Sorry. If there was a button that stopped the XP, I would gladly have pressed it to demonstrate the cause of this thread. Why can't I make a thread that gets a lot of hits, without getting lot's of comments implying that I only made this for XP? I DON'T CARE ABOUT XP.
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05/20/2012 12:02 pm
Level 13 : Journeyman Blacksmith
Theoreticallyy
I second that comment.
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05/20/2012 9:39 pm
Level 30 : Artisan Miner
zombiekiller10
i uhhhh.... quadruple that comment
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05/20/2012 9:36 am
Level 70 : Legendary Architect
TheDenux
Because it's a reward you dumbass, it's obvious! People love rewards! What's not to understand?
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05/20/2012 11:34 pm
Level 69 : High Grandmaster Demolitionist
Camo7
"Because it's a reward you dumbass"
well look who's trying to look cool.
As he said, the point of xp is to be a reward. the problem is when people become addicted to a reward that is largely irrelevant to their lives, and then start spamming garbage. It also leads to a 'warship the higher levels system,' where people judge you by the arbitrary number next to your name and not by the skill, talent, and quality displayed in your work.
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05/21/2012 8:12 am
Level 70 : Legendary Architect
TheDenux
Well usually people at high levels have achieved the high level by doing some quality work. The reward system is the same on facebook, post a funny comment and you will get rewarded by likes. Those are exactly the same likes as giving diamonds. And people with a lot of likes seems to think: Wow, people actually like me, how nice of them. It's a form of saying "Good Job Greg!" and who doesn't want to be appreciated?
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05/21/2012 8:07 pm
Level 69 : High Grandmaster Demolitionist
Camo7
On that note, I also believe you can be addicted to facebook.
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05/20/2012 9:56 am
Level 79 : Legendary War Lord
Alvtron
Yeah, but these points doesn't mean anything, and if they are a reward, then you should at least deserve them. Not duplicating your own thread, begging for diamonds and subscribers, and publish all kind of stuff just to get XP. I don't understand why people get like this for worthless XP.

Also, why did you call me a dumbass? Did I offense you or something?
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05/20/2012 11:02 am
Level 13 : Journeyman Mage
Cenoxium
It's in our genetics as human beings to love rewards. Do you know those science tests when a dog does something good he gets a snack? That's called Positive Reinforcement System
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05/20/2012 10:26 am
Level 70 : Legendary Architect
TheDenux
That's exactly what I mean! Of course they are worthless, but it's a REWARD!
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05/20/2012 4:54 am
Level 60 : High Grandmaster Necromancer
Terzaerian
Anti-feature people sure love making vague allusions to people spamming/duplicating projects, but frankly I've never seen it happen and I'm on here quite a bit. Got links or proof? "The mods took care of it" isn't an excuse, either. As for "unfinished" builds, frankly it's a legitimate strategy. An updated project is always going to gain more views and votes than a project that is shot into the system finished, once, and left, no matter how well tagged it might be. The REAL problem is when people put unfinished projects into the system, and then don't finish them. There are ways to deal with this problem, and supporting the anti-feature crowd of this website by ranting against XP isn't one of them.
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05/20/2012 11:38 pm
Level 69 : High Grandmaster Demolitionist
Camo7
"Anti-feature people sure love making vague allusions to people spamming/duplicating projects, but frankly I've never seen it happen and I'm on here quite a bit. Got links or proof?"
Have you taken a thorough look around the skin section lately?
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05/20/2012 5:48 am
Level 79 : Legendary War Lord
Alvtron
I never said that XP was the problem. I actually think its positive (read the first lines). The people who are producing bad quality content, or breaking laws, etc.... because of the XP system is what I think is the problem.

I think unfinished projects are a good thing. People can discuss and give the creator criticism while hes/shes working, pointing out stuff the creator would never have noticed. The creator could get a lot of inspiration from the comment section too.

I don't like to set myself in the example, but I released my texture pack when it was ca. 15% done, and people have really been giving me a great boost and spotting stuff, I never would have seen. It's still not done.
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