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Humpty Dumpty is NOT an egg! (Proof) [DEBATE]
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Mishkia
First (Original) Poem
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
Four-score Men and Four-score more,
Could not make Humpty Dumpty where he was before.
-Samuel Arnold's Juvenile Amusements (1797)
So does that say anything about Humpty Dumpty being an egg? No.
How about the new(er) one from the poet Mother Goose:
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.
Still nothing about him being an egg :/
Here is an excerpt from the article on Wikipedia:
[i][quote]The rhyme does not explicitly state that the subject is an egg, possibly because it may have been originally posed as a riddle.[/i]
Source: [url]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty[/url]
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More facts:
In some later publishing's of Humpty Dumpty its does show pictures of him being an egg but not in the original one.
Also, one theory is that maybe he was a cannon.
Anyhow I just want you guy's opinion on this, Is he an egg or some other thing...
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
Four-score Men and Four-score more,
Could not make Humpty Dumpty where he was before.
-Samuel Arnold's Juvenile Amusements (1797)
So does that say anything about Humpty Dumpty being an egg? No.
How about the new(er) one from the poet Mother Goose:
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.
Still nothing about him being an egg :/
Here is an excerpt from the article on Wikipedia:
[i][quote]The rhyme does not explicitly state that the subject is an egg, possibly because it may have been originally posed as a riddle.[/i]
Source: [url]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty[/url]
[/quote]
More facts:
In some later publishing's of Humpty Dumpty its does show pictures of him being an egg but not in the original one.
Also, one theory is that maybe he was a cannon.
Anyhow I just want you guy's opinion on this, Is he an egg or some other thing...
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He was a cannon.
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wow. That's all I have to say, wow
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ok look, the truth is... HE WAS A PIXELATED GRAVEL BLOCK AND WAS SHOVED OFF BY A PISTON!!!... this is planetminecraft, not some random forums, lol
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Well, if you go to any topic on The Planet Minecraft Fourms there is most likely going to be some Non-Minecraft posts.
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If you're going to correct people at least do it right.
btw, there is a thing called "general discussion"
btw, there is a thing called "general discussion"
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Ding ding ding! You just proved my point.
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I heard it was a cannon, but I'm not really sure why so don't take my word for it. There are many theories, I know that much.
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Yeah, still a mystery, but a cannon is a strong theory.
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yes a cannon is a strong theory but so i s an egg
but i really dont know just pointing that out
but i really dont know just pointing that out
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Yeah, but there is more facts about him being a cannon than being an egg so I'm more on the cannon side than an egg (my opinion)
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ok..I DO believe that it was a cannon..but how do we know? Time travel? Ice cream? (ice cream helped me a lot :3) etc. (i hate that word) ...
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im still on no side im neutral
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You wanna really know what it was?
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It was an egg cannon.
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Its the cannon guys
They made these rhymes to describe things happening without making them seem to gruesome because the origins of a lot of them are not very appropriate for kids. They modified the actual ones into thru nursery rhymes.
They made these rhymes to describe things happening without making them seem to gruesome because the origins of a lot of them are not very appropriate for kids. They modified the actual ones into thru nursery rhymes.
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Hes obviously just a businessman owning a large potato chip company amirite guys?
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Yah know who humpty was?
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A puzzle. The soldiers couldn't put him back together because they were too dumb to put him together.
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Humpty was a...a...uhhh...a....
THING.
Honestly, I'm with the cannon side..Except, if 'Humpty Dumpty' the Cannon fell, how did he break? Cannons are pretty hard to break, unless it was at least a golden shephard sized, weak cannon.
This is where I have to say 'Egg'.
Eggs are weak, but it wouldn't make sense if the soldiers were going to repair an egg, as you could imagine, unless they were chicken soldiers, they would just ignore Humpty, or if they were villagers the same. Unless they were goin' to eat him after he was 'repaired'
Maybe, he could be a statue of a king, however how would the statue fall off a wall if it wasn't going to be placed on the wall?
Okay. We have our facts.
1. Humpty was on a wall
2. People wanted to help fix Humpty
3. He broke
So using those three facts...He could have been a Soldier on break sitting on a wall, and when he fell he broke some bones, and then he was taken to a medic. Makes sense to me.
THING.
Honestly, I'm with the cannon side..Except, if 'Humpty Dumpty' the Cannon fell, how did he break? Cannons are pretty hard to break, unless it was at least a golden shephard sized, weak cannon.
This is where I have to say 'Egg'.
Eggs are weak, but it wouldn't make sense if the soldiers were going to repair an egg, as you could imagine, unless they were chicken soldiers, they would just ignore Humpty, or if they were villagers the same. Unless they were goin' to eat him after he was 'repaired'
Maybe, he could be a statue of a king, however how would the statue fall off a wall if it wasn't going to be placed on the wall?
Okay. We have our facts.
1. Humpty was on a wall
2. People wanted to help fix Humpty
3. He broke
So using those three facts...He could have been a Soldier on break sitting on a wall, and when he fell he broke some bones, and then he was taken to a medic. Makes sense to me.
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So the three facts could also mean he was a puzzle! The kings men wanted to put him back TOGETHER. You put a puzzle TOGETHER. Make perfect sense to me.
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im with cannon now but the creeper has a point
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THANK YOU
What things could have Humpty been?
What things could have Humpty been?
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Anything you can break and put back together
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Tanasmmo
Okay. We have our facts.
1. Humpty was on a wall
2. People wanted to help fix Humpty
3. He broke
So using those three facts...He could have been a Soldier on break sitting on a wall, and when he fell he broke some bones, and then he was taken to a medic. Makes sense to me.
Well, we also must ask the question WHY was he on the wall? If the soldier was on break, why sit on a wall instead of in the barracks? Humpty could have been an archer on a wall, trying to protect his fellow soldiers, but got shot with a cannon or was attacked, causing him to fall and, indeed, break his bones.
But still this doesn't explain why ALL the king's soldiers and men tried to fix him. Unless he was himself the king.
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np creeper
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Yes, this is "General Discussion"... in the Minecraft section
I've moved this to the Everything Else > General Discussion area. Please be more careful next time.
I've moved this to the Everything Else > General Discussion area. Please be more careful next time.
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Oh, silly mistake
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heyo paril
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Humpty is not an egg... What is life?!?!
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What I don't understand is why the story/poem/riddle mentions the king's horses. Sure, get all the king's men to come and try to put him back together again, but what good are horses going to be? Maybe they can get the king's men to him faster, but does anyone really expect a horse to suddenly whip out a tube of krazy glue and reassemble the shattered Mr. Dumpty? And if he's a person and this isn't a metaphor for anything, is one of the king's equines going to don a gown, reveal his secret training as a trauma surgeon, and save the not-egg's life?
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Egg vs Cannon is still strong here...
Cannon falling of a wall - breaking isn't necessarily correct, nor is the egg theory, (A giant egg on a wall... Kids want to hear about a giant egg on a wall... Kids want to know how people couldn't fix a giant egg that fell off a wall... I doubt) but then again, a cannon falling of a wall is completely logical. Maybe humpty dumpty is a teapot. Or a chair. Or a plant. Or a human being like someone in the other page said.
Cannon falling of a wall - breaking isn't necessarily correct, nor is the egg theory, (A giant egg on a wall... Kids want to hear about a giant egg on a wall... Kids want to know how people couldn't fix a giant egg that fell off a wall... I doubt) but then again, a cannon falling of a wall is completely logical. Maybe humpty dumpty is a teapot. Or a chair. Or a plant. Or a human being like someone in the other page said.
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I'm strongly for the human theory. Specifically I think he's the king, because ALL the king's horses and men came to help him, not just some. If he was some soldier no one would care and a duke or something similar to that would get many but not ALL people. Only the king could get everyone - literally all the king's men - to help him when he was in trouble.
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it could be ar riddle that very few solved
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I believe that Humpty Dumpty is a cannon
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Cool_Time22Tanasmmo
Okay. We have our facts.
1. Humpty was on a wall
2. People wanted to help fix Humpty
3. He broke
So using those three facts...He could have been a Soldier on break sitting on a wall, and when he fell he broke some bones, and then he was taken to a medic. Makes sense to me.
Well, we also must ask the question WHY was he on the wall? If the soldier was on break, why sit on a wall instead of in the barracks? Humpty could have been an archer on a wall, trying to protect his fellow soldiers, but got shot with a cannon or was attacked, causing him to fall and, indeed, break his bones.
But still this doesn't explain why ALL the king's soldiers and men tried to fix him. Unless he was himself the king.
Ehhh...He was sittin' on the wall cause it had a great view of the place? Or like you said...archer...Or an Archer King! Eheh Archer King...
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TanasmmoCool_Time22Tanasmmo
Okay. We have our facts.
1. Humpty was on a wall
2. People wanted to help fix Humpty
3. He broke
So using those three facts...He could have been a Soldier on break sitting on a wall, and when he fell he broke some bones, and then he was taken to a medic. Makes sense to me.
Well, we also must ask the question WHY was he on the wall? If the soldier was on break, why sit on a wall instead of in the barracks? Humpty could have been an archer on a wall, trying to protect his fellow soldiers, but got shot with a cannon or was attacked, causing him to fall and, indeed, break his bones.
But still this doesn't explain why ALL the king's soldiers and men tried to fix him. Unless he was himself the king.
Ehhh...He was sittin' on the wall cause it had a great view of the place? Or like you said...archer...Or an Archer King! Eheh Archer King...
The king himself could have led the battle, and just happened to stand on the wall to get a better view.
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It's pretty obvious it isn't an egg.
"Oh, let's put an egg on the wall!"
"Oh no, the egg fell! Welp, better get the soldiers out here!"
"Oh, let's put an egg on the wall!"
"Oh no, the egg fell! Welp, better get the soldiers out here!"
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What if the egg (Humpty Dumpty) was of great importance. What if he was an upper class egg who was the advisor to the king? or a landlord maybe? It's all left to interpretation.
Just another thing, fables generally don't make any sense. Have you ever observed a wolf blowing houses down?
Just another thing, fables generally don't make any sense. Have you ever observed a wolf blowing houses down?
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The answer to this riddle, is indeed an egg.
Simply because if an egg were to roll and fall off a wall, it doesn't matter how many people that tried to put it back together, the egg would remain shattered.
The original version of the riddle, never stated anything about horses, or anything suggesting that the men were soldiers.
An egg was on a wall, it then fell off the wall. 160 people tried to fix it, but that's impossible, because it's an egg.
There is simply nothing more to it.
The fact that there was 160 people trying to fix Humpty Dumpty does not suggest that he/it was of some importance, but rather emphasizing the fact that it doesn't matter how many people try to fix him/it, it's not going to happen.
And if he wasn't an egg, why was he then later portrayed as being an egg?
However,
the question is then:
"Why did the riddle begin to feature king's men and king's horses?"
Simply because if an egg were to roll and fall off a wall, it doesn't matter how many people that tried to put it back together, the egg would remain shattered.
The original version of the riddle, never stated anything about horses, or anything suggesting that the men were soldiers.
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
Four-score[80] Men and Four-score[80] more,
Could not make Humpty Dumpty where he was before
An egg was on a wall, it then fell off the wall. 160 people tried to fix it, but that's impossible, because it's an egg.
There is simply nothing more to it.
The fact that there was 160 people trying to fix Humpty Dumpty does not suggest that he/it was of some importance, but rather emphasizing the fact that it doesn't matter how many people try to fix him/it, it's not going to happen.
And if he wasn't an egg, why was he then later portrayed as being an egg?
However,
the question is then:
"Why did the riddle begin to feature king's men and king's horses?"
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Cool_Time22TanasmmoCool_Time22
Well, we also must ask the question WHY was he on the wall? If the soldier was on break, why sit on a wall instead of in the barracks? Humpty could have been an archer on a wall, trying to protect his fellow soldiers, but got shot with a cannon or was attacked, causing him to fall and, indeed, break his bones.
But still this doesn't explain why ALL the king's soldiers and men tried to fix him. Unless he was himself the king.
Ehhh...He was sittin' on the wall cause it had a great view of the place? Or like you said...archer...Or an Archer King! Eheh Archer King...
The king himself could have led the battle, and just happened to stand on the wall to get a better view.
Possible.
If he was a human, not directin' what rank in a king's army, there's many possibility's. For all we know, it was a medic on the wall looking out to battle in case they needed to quickly get to the wounded soldiers.
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LaxyndThe answer to this riddle, is indeed an egg.
Simply because if an egg were to roll and fall off a wall, it doesn't matter how many people that tried to put it back together, the egg would remain shattered.
The original version of the riddle, never stated anything about horses, or anything suggesting that the men were soldiers.Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
Four-score[80] Men and Four-score[80] more,
Could not make Humpty Dumpty where he was before
An egg was on a wall, it then fell off the wall. 160 people tried to fix it, but that's impossible, because it's an egg.
There is simply nothing more to it.
The fact that there was 160 people trying to fix Humpty Dumpty does not suggest that he/it was of some importance, but rather emphasizing the fact that it doesn't matter how many people try to fix him/it, it's not going to happen.
And if he wasn't an egg, why was he then later portrayed as being an egg?
However,
the question is then:
"Why did the riddle begin to feature king's men and king's horses?"
But why did anyone come at all if he was an egg? He was probably later portrayed as an egg because someone thought an egg was more childlike and because eggs are easy to break. If it was indeed an egg who the heck cares if it breaks? Only someone with one egg. And even then only that ONE person would try and fix it, not 160 people. Unless 160 people were sharing the egg, but then, why? Too many questions result from it being an egg. It's been portrayed as an egg because the truth (a cannon, a soldier, etc) would be too serious for a nursery rhyme.
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But, it never said they CAME and tried to fix him. It just said that they couldn't if they tried.
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It also never explicitly said he broke.
So much is implied in nursery rhymes that if we took everything literally we could say that Humpty fell off and they couldn't put him back on the wall. We could also say that coming off the wall he fell and broke his foot and they had to cut it off, or that a week later he tripped over a rock and fell down a river... etc... etc....
If we take the poem TOO literally and assume it implies nothing whatsoever, there are hundreds of ways we could go.
So much is implied in nursery rhymes that if we took everything literally we could say that Humpty fell off and they couldn't put him back on the wall. We could also say that coming off the wall he fell and broke his foot and they had to cut it off, or that a week later he tripped over a rock and fell down a river... etc... etc....
If we take the poem TOO literally and assume it implies nothing whatsoever, there are hundreds of ways we could go.
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I did eventually figure it out
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Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall because he was a silly child or he was protecting something.
The kings men and kings horses might have come because he was of some importance- like for example, the kings kid.
He broke because he was something that you can break and put back together.
my theory is that Humpy Dumpty was a puzzle and the kings men were too dumb to put him back together.
Since this was a child's story and all, the whole world of humpty could have been a world of toys
So the kings men and horses could have been toy soldiers and humpty was a puzzle and the wall was made of Legos
It could have been a life lesson to teach children to:
A) be more careful (not doing this resulting in falling down de wall)
B) learning (not doing this resulting in not being able to put a puzzle together, literally and not literally)
The kings men and kings horses might have come because he was of some importance- like for example, the kings kid.
He broke because he was something that you can break and put back together.
my theory is that Humpy Dumpty was a puzzle and the kings men were too dumb to put him back together.
Since this was a child's story and all, the whole world of humpty could have been a world of toys
So the kings men and horses could have been toy soldiers and humpty was a puzzle and the wall was made of Legos
It could have been a life lesson to teach children to:
A) be more careful (not doing this resulting in falling down de wall)
B) learning (not doing this resulting in not being able to put a puzzle together, literally and not literally)
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And can someone plz explain to me why they thought Humpty was a CANNON?!??! I mean, how weirder can this get?!??
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Quoting wikipedia:
However, the lines in question were not even in the original riddle, and this event happened more than a century before the riddle of Humpty Dumpty was first recorded.
I'm still sticking with 'He's an egg'.
From 1996 the website of the Colchester tourist board attributed the origin of the rhyme to a cannon recorded as used from the church of St Mary-at-the-Wall by the Royalist defenders in the siege of 1648. In 1648 Colchester was a walled town with a castle and several churches and was protected by the city wall. The story given was that a large cannon, which the website claimed was colloquially called Humpty Dumpty, was strategically placed on the wall. A shot from a Parliamentary cannon succeeded in damaging the wall beneath Humpty Dumpty which caused the cannon to tumble to the ground. The Royalists, or Cavaliers, "all the King's men", attempted to raise Humpty Dumpty on to another part of the wall, but because the cannon was so heavy "All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty together again"
However, the lines in question were not even in the original riddle, and this event happened more than a century before the riddle of Humpty Dumpty was first recorded.
I'm still sticking with 'He's an egg'.
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I don't even understand how people could put 'Cannon' into context if CANNONS RARELY BREAK! Unless it was rust...then they were cleanin' off the rust...And were really flippin' medieval...
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The riddle states that Humpty Dumpty had a great fall, and that the men couldn't put it back where it was. (Referring to original version)
It doesn't mention that it broke.
But I still say it's an egg
It doesn't mention that it broke.
But I still say it's an egg
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Two things, none to offend.
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You should probably refer to the 'unoriginal' one too, as both matter, cause we're not just goin' with the original. In the 'unoriginal' it states he BROKE, also in the original it could have fell and broke, but only said it fell because it fit and adding "and broke" would ruin the rhythm of the poem.
Two,
You don't need to say 'I still say its an egg.' every reply to someone who has cannon in their comment/reply. If you go with egg, alright you go with egg, if your replyin' to somethin' stating 'I'm with cannon' and you reply to the stating with something how cannon makes sense, alright makes sense, but if your replyin' to someone saying "How does a cannon even break? :/" or something like that, you don't need to add it, cause your answerin' that maybe 'Cannon's cant, lol.' and not agreein' with the cannon if you say it. Not to offend, of course. Just saying.
One;
You should probably refer to the 'unoriginal' one too, as both matter, cause we're not just goin' with the original. In the 'unoriginal' it states he BROKE, also in the original it could have fell and broke, but only said it fell because it fit and adding "and broke" would ruin the rhythm of the poem.
Two,
You don't need to say 'I still say its an egg.' every reply to someone who has cannon in their comment/reply. If you go with egg, alright you go with egg, if your replyin' to somethin' stating 'I'm with cannon' and you reply to the stating with something how cannon makes sense, alright makes sense, but if your replyin' to someone saying "How does a cannon even break? :/" or something like that, you don't need to add it, cause your answerin' that maybe 'Cannon's cant, lol.' and not agreein' with the cannon if you say it. Not to offend, of course. Just saying.
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Exactly what I mean, Tanasmmo. So that's why I'm scraping Cannon off from the "What Humpty Could Possibly Be" list.
Wanna see the list?
Wanna see the list?
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Egg cannon (not mine), puzzle, egg(bah)
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