So we shut down our servers due to the effects of the EULA and my staff and I basically just dropped out of Minecraft and moved on.
I noticed that now as of today their are still a bunch of servers (huge networks) that are still selling kits and things that give paying players advantages over non-payers.
Has Mojang even done anything to any of the servers that aren't following the EULA?
I noticed that now as of today their are still a bunch of servers (huge networks) that are still selling kits and things that give paying players advantages over non-payers.
Has Mojang even done anything to any of the servers that aren't following the EULA?
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Rawwk
We have read the EULA clearly many times. Our server was breaking the rules. But back to the topic, why aren't these big networks not changing their ranks or getting shut down?
That is because most of the big networks adjusted their servers to fit within the EULA, like other servers should have/ could have. For example, mineplex (One of the biggest servers out there) made it so that the donaters got many commands and access to many cosmetic items which is fine with the EULA, also now everyone is able to get all the kits they offered, but people who already donated get to have them all already, which still fits in the EULA according to my knowledge. The bigger servers just adjusted their ranks and donater perks to fit within the EULA, that is all that is really needed.
You have as large a chance of getting caught "violating the EULA" as using an extremely private proxy while pirating a 0.1 MB file.
Not saying you should go pirate a 0.1 MB file, just using it as an example.
Plus, even if it did go into effect, so many people use proxies and WhoIs already that it would be near impossible for Microsoft to track down all of them. People who run Hypixel and things like Gontroller probably know how to evade an EULA quite easily, given that the owner, they/he/she themself/herself/himself, has to know what they're doing to run a server in the first place.
For example, I will use a whole different thing.
It is illegal for you to provide something for money and not give it out to whoever has bought it.
Sammydress does this.
They cannot be caught because they have so many VPNs and proxies backing them that it is impossible. Also, they don't use Paypal. Third, they do not come from America, which is where 99% of the people are complaining. Because it is not a massive issue in the eyes of Microsoft or the cyberpolice, they are not being taken down.
With a Minecraft server that uses revenue from perks and benefits but returns the user as stated, there is apparently a small break in the EULA. This doesn't mean Microsoft is hunting your head down! They don't care very much-- they're much too busy making an OS that is more unstable than Windows ME. As far as they're concerned, unless you're a huge, huge server, you are not a blimp on the radar and have a 0.1% chance of being caught. The worst they can do is get legal action, and what they will MOST LIKELY do if you are a large server is take down your server.
I'm thinking rationally now-- if you are a cracked server, Microsoft obviously is going to have further trouble shutting down your server because it is not directly connected to minecraft.net and you are probably using proxy ontop of proxy ontop of proxy with WhoIs and AnonyMe and God knows. Then, they are very likely to take legal action or even go forth and tell you to take it down or face consequences. And that is only if someone complains about your server violating things, or if your server is widely-known. Since cracked servers are already illegal, it's not the greatest idea, but if you use very unknown proxies it is apt that you are not going to be caught. Of course, I do not enforce the idea and these are more or less hypothesis/theories.
By incorporating a system in which your members are not allowed to spread news about your server to Microsoft, it would be likely that Microsoft would not find out about your server and therefore could not take your server down if it violated EULA. However, you must keep in mind it would be difficult to maintain keeping the news from going out because of trolls and betrayal of small children who think they're being cool by reporting your source of paying your bills.
We must also keep in mind that small profit is also not a blimp on the radar if you are a large server. They care more about people paying $100 for VIP ranks than $15 for a diamond pick and some Prot 4 armor. They are not likely to do more than warn you and go no further if you do not exceed a $80 assumed limit. I am not saying they would set a limit, I am saying that they probably will not care if it is below $80.
Microsoft cares about nothing more than money. They will, with a 90% assumed chance, incorporate annoying advertisements between joining servers and the such. With that said, people will probably make a client that removes ads, or something similar to AdBlock Plus, but for the Minecraft client. If that happens, because Microsoft is a stubborn mule, they will probably prevent people from making clients and go and ask EA for some help with that. That is the worst case scenario. Best case scenario, they won't give two if a non-large amount of people are using it. Nobody likes advertisements, though, so that's not very likely of happening.
Okay, that's out. Phew.
Well, I'm not encouraging any of what I said. It's just my ramblings! I'm just trying to get into their mindset.
Not saying you should go pirate a 0.1 MB file, just using it as an example.
Plus, even if it did go into effect, so many people use proxies and WhoIs already that it would be near impossible for Microsoft to track down all of them. People who run Hypixel and things like Gontroller probably know how to evade an EULA quite easily, given that the owner, they/he/she themself/herself/himself, has to know what they're doing to run a server in the first place.
For example, I will use a whole different thing.
It is illegal for you to provide something for money and not give it out to whoever has bought it.
Sammydress does this.
They cannot be caught because they have so many VPNs and proxies backing them that it is impossible. Also, they don't use Paypal. Third, they do not come from America, which is where 99% of the people are complaining. Because it is not a massive issue in the eyes of Microsoft or the cyberpolice, they are not being taken down.
With a Minecraft server that uses revenue from perks and benefits but returns the user as stated, there is apparently a small break in the EULA. This doesn't mean Microsoft is hunting your head down! They don't care very much-- they're much too busy making an OS that is more unstable than Windows ME. As far as they're concerned, unless you're a huge, huge server, you are not a blimp on the radar and have a 0.1% chance of being caught. The worst they can do is get legal action, and what they will MOST LIKELY do if you are a large server is take down your server.
I'm thinking rationally now-- if you are a cracked server, Microsoft obviously is going to have further trouble shutting down your server because it is not directly connected to minecraft.net and you are probably using proxy ontop of proxy ontop of proxy with WhoIs and AnonyMe and God knows. Then, they are very likely to take legal action or even go forth and tell you to take it down or face consequences. And that is only if someone complains about your server violating things, or if your server is widely-known. Since cracked servers are already illegal, it's not the greatest idea, but if you use very unknown proxies it is apt that you are not going to be caught. Of course, I do not enforce the idea and these are more or less hypothesis/theories.
By incorporating a system in which your members are not allowed to spread news about your server to Microsoft, it would be likely that Microsoft would not find out about your server and therefore could not take your server down if it violated EULA. However, you must keep in mind it would be difficult to maintain keeping the news from going out because of trolls and betrayal of small children who think they're being cool by reporting your source of paying your bills.
We must also keep in mind that small profit is also not a blimp on the radar if you are a large server. They care more about people paying $100 for VIP ranks than $15 for a diamond pick and some Prot 4 armor. They are not likely to do more than warn you and go no further if you do not exceed a $80 assumed limit. I am not saying they would set a limit, I am saying that they probably will not care if it is below $80.
Microsoft cares about nothing more than money. They will, with a 90% assumed chance, incorporate annoying advertisements between joining servers and the such. With that said, people will probably make a client that removes ads, or something similar to AdBlock Plus, but for the Minecraft client. If that happens, because Microsoft is a stubborn mule, they will probably prevent people from making clients and go and ask EA for some help with that. That is the worst case scenario. Best case scenario, they won't give two if a non-large amount of people are using it. Nobody likes advertisements, though, so that's not very likely of happening.
Okay, that's out. Phew.
Well, I'm not encouraging any of what I said. It's just my ramblings! I'm just trying to get into their mindset.
creeperinmyhouseRawwk
"Running the server was fun."
We couldn't keep the server because we couldn't sell things that revolved what the EULA enforced.
You do realize that even with the EULA change you can still sell ranks, sell commands to people, even charge people to even join the server as long as it meets certain criteria, you should have read it up before just abandoning your server. This is what mojang states that you can do to gain money on your server, https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-se ... low-up-qa/
We have read the EULA clearly many times. Our server was breaking the rules. But back to the topic, why aren't these big networks not changing their ranks or getting shut down?
Rawwk
"Running the server was fun."
We couldn't keep the server because we couldn't sell things that revolved what the EULA enforced.
You do realize that even with the EULA change you can still sell ranks, sell commands to people, even charge people to even join the server as long as it meets certain criteria, you should have read it up before just abandoning your server. This is what mojang states that you can do to gain money on your server, https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-se ... low-up-qa/
I think you're overreacting honestly, I'm a server dev/plugin manager and along with the staff and owner we found a way to get around the Eula. Just because the Eula stops cheaty and unequal ranks which I think was good on them. I hate servers where the ranks are unfairly op and servers make you pay insane amounts for a rank.
It doesn't matter if you had a garry's mod server, you are still having to follow the eula, good on Mojang for making everything more fair, also it's not impossible to find a way around it you just have to look for it instead of just giving up on it.
It doesn't matter if you had a garry's mod server, you are still having to follow the eula, good on Mojang for making everything more fair, also it's not impossible to find a way around it you just have to look for it instead of just giving up on it.
I've seen certain "loopholes" that some servers practice. For example, every time you vote for their server, you get a "voting key." If you use that key, there's a small chance you can win a donator rank. But you can also buy a rank from a server store if you're unlucky.
That sort of follows the EULA's guidelines because anyone CAN get a rank without buying it.
That sort of follows the EULA's guidelines because anyone CAN get a rank without buying it.
I would not call that a legit loop hole. It is still an unfair advantage because donating players can get perks faster.
creeperinmyhouseRawwk
I quit Minecraft because working with people and running the server was fun. Sure, we were a small server but it was fun and exciting meeting new players. But when our server shut down, other servers weren't doing it for us. Every server is different... at least it used to be.
You quit minecraft because it was fun? why would you quit a game if you enjoyed it? I'm not sure what you mean by "other servers weren't doing it for us" if you mean that you didn't enjoy the other servers, then why didn't you just keep the one you had lol.
"Running the server was fun."
We couldn't keep the server because we couldn't sell things that revolved what the EULA enforced.
Rawwk
I quit Minecraft because working with people and running the server was fun. Sure, we were a small server but it was fun and exciting meeting new players. But when our server shut down, other servers weren't doing it for us. Every server is different... at least it used to be.
You quit minecraft because it was fun? why would you quit a game if you enjoyed it? I'm not sure what you mean by "other servers weren't doing it for us" if you mean that you didn't enjoy the other servers, then why didn't you just keep the one you had lol.
It isn't allowed, but.. Like the law, people still do it. For example, drugs are illegal but it is tricky to get caught.. Selling perks is illegal but it is tricky to get caught.
PrimeRobot
I did the same thing. Minecraft isn't the same as before, no wonder why Notch left the Minecraft community and moved on to other games.
Anyway, the reason why their are still a bunch of servers still selling kits is because their not well known yet. Unlike Mineplex and Hypixel, Smaller servers could get away with selling kits and perks because not much minecrafters know/talk about/joined that server.
Their is a server that's a huge network but I won't be listing them and they currently sell a $500 rank that gives advantages.
creeperinmyhouseWhy did you quit your server and abandon minecraft just because they changed the eula, I wouldn't want people making profits on a game I spent a lot of effort to make either. It just seems kind of weird that you totally abandoned minecraft even though it wasn't necessary because not being able to make profit has always been in the eula, so why did you choose now to quit minecraft?
They already profit thousands of dollars per month just by people purchasing accounts and additionally more if they have ads on their forums.
I quit Minecraft because working with people and running the server was fun. Sure, we were a small server but it was fun and exciting meeting new players. But when our server shut down, other servers weren't doing it for us. Every server is different... at least it used to be.
Why did you quit your server and abandon minecraft just because they changed the eula, I wouldn't want people making profits on a game I spent a lot of effort to make either. It just seems kind of weird that you totally abandoned minecraft even though it wasn't necessary because not being able to make profit has always been in the eula, so why did you choose now to quit minecraft?
https://help.mojang.com/customer/portal ... es/1647288
This place exists for when you see a server in violation of the EULA
This place exists for when you see a server in violation of the EULA
RawwkSo we shut down our servers due to the effects of the EULA and my staff and I basically just dropped out of Minecraft and moved on.
I noticed that now as of today their are still a bunch of servers (huge networks) that are still selling kits and things that give paying players advantages over non-payers.
Has Mojang even done anything to any of the servers that aren't following the EULA?
I did the same thing. Minecraft isn't the same as before, no wonder why Notch left the Minecraft community and moved on to other games.
Anyway, the reason why their are still a bunch of servers still selling kits is because their not well known yet. Unlike Mineplex and Hypixel, Smaller servers could get away with selling kits and perks because not much minecrafters know/talk about/joined that server.
Microsoft could
Microsoft bought Mojang
Microsoft can maybe change the Eula in some days/months/years/weeks/somanystuff/#stopreading
Microsoft can maybe change the Eula in some days/months/years/weeks/somanystuff/#stopreading
Other than a Cease and Desist Letter over PO box or whatever, no. Not that we are aware of. Ever since Mojang got bought by Microsoft we're not even sure if the EULA even exists.
Mojang is still independent as the deal hasn't taken effect yet (I heard it won't until 2015), and Mojang's EULA is still in effect. Almost all software has an end-user license agreement of some sort, and an acquisition would not nullify a EULA without effecting a new one.
Thanks for the clear up. Though I was under the impression that it was in effect, seeing as how the Minecraft servers were down for an approximate 7 minutes a few days after the purchase was announced.
Not really it was mainly to enforce against the Huge money ranks like $500 or $10000
