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Group Manager or Pex?

MaximusMax 4/22/14 10:08 am
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5/1/2014 3:24 am
Hey guys I've been changing a lot from GroupManager to Pex and Pex to GroupManager. And I can't figure out which one is better. So I need your help. If you were to chose 1 of those 2 which would you choose and why? Your opinion would be greatly appreciated Thanks!

EDIT: Does Pex supports Sub Groups? e.g. [A] coolmaximus1 [God]
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figgycity50
04/22/2014 10:11 am
Level 15 : Journeyman Network
PEX PEX PEX. It's config is way simpler.
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DJLeo
04/22/2014 10:16 am
Level 3 : Apprentice Explorer
Group Manager is way better than PEX, PEX is really buggy and unstable... And no, PEX does not support sub-groups.
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ThouGreatness
04/22/2014 10:16 am
Level 14 : Journeyman Architect
I've worked a LOT with GroupManager, so that's the one I tend to use. It's pretty straight forward, and goes with the essentials pack. So the configs are similar when it comes to permissions (There are a lot of essentials permission nodes). If I were you, I'd start using GM and just stay with it. The more you use it, the better and faster you'll get at configuring it. I would recommend setting up your permissions in baby steps. Do some work, then test it out.

Whenever you test out your GM permissions, always restart your server. DO NOT ./reload. It pisses GM off sometimes. Also, when you restart, watch the console very closely for when GroupManager loads. If you get a ton of lines with a bunch of gibberish, that means you messed something up.

Google is your friend for both Pex and GM. There are a ton of Youtube tutorials as well. Good luck!
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MaximusMax
04/22/2014 10:22 am
Level 1 : New Miner
Thanks for your opinions! As well, isn't GroupManager abandoned?
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ThouGreatness
04/22/2014 10:59 am
Level 14 : Journeyman Architect
No? If it is, someone else will pick it up.
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kemmeo
04/22/2014 11:33 am
Level 6 : Apprentice Miner
If you're using Essentials, I'd recommend GroupManger. FYI. Its not abandoned, the Essentials Team took it over

If you're gonna use GroupManager tho, there's a tip:
"FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST! DON'T PUT PERMISSION NODES IN YOUR GLOBAL.YML"

Trust me, just use the per world group.yml
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MaximusMax
04/22/2014 12:12 pm
Level 1 : New Miner
I see that many stated saying GM. Although I still can't understand how to use this ''per world'' when I want the ranks to be in ALL worlds. e.g. PlotWorld.

And again, thanks guys for helping me out to choose the ideal permissions plugin <3
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Quanto__
04/22/2014 10:31 pm
Level 17 : Journeyman System
I would use PEX. More customizable.
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Rux
04/22/2014 10:33 pm
Level 46 : Master Fox
PEX, because you can customize it better and there is more support
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experttacobear
04/22/2014 10:36 pm
Level 27 : Expert Taco
Groupmanager is way more user-friendly... I don't recommend PEX.
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ObbyRaidz
04/22/2014 10:42 pm
Level 49 : Master Cowboy
Pex GO PEX!
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NovaGamingBrian
04/23/2014 7:09 am
Level 18 : Journeyman Miner
Learn it pex is alot buggyer and beeing annoying whit permissions
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Scarsz
04/24/2014 9:49 pm
Level 22 : Expert Network
austinjames7PEX. Do not listen to the people who say "PEX is unstable;" it is more than customizable as well as completely stable. I've used PEX on the past 3 server networks I have run, each time it has performed phenomenal.

Do not listen to the people who say "PEX is unstable;" it is more than customizable as well as completely stable.
Do not listen to the people who say "PEX is unstable"
Do not listen to "PEX is unstable"

I think I'll give up the hope now.
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Rawwk
04/22/2014 10:50 pm
Level 39 : Artisan System
I never used Group Manager. I use PermissionsEX and it works perfectly how I want it.

Try both and see which is easier for you and what suits your needs.
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Scarsz
04/22/2014 11:52 pm
Level 22 : Expert Network
PEX. Do not listen to the people who say "PEX is unstable;" it is more than customizable as well as completely stable. I've used PEX on the past 3 server networks I have run, each time it has performed phenomenal.
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DaRealDeal25
04/22/2014 11:54 pm
Level 19 : Journeyman Taco
Group manager all the way! Sooooo easy
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WhitePrivilage_
04/22/2014 11:57 pm
Level 46 : Master Chef
I would have to go with PEX on this one. I would recommend GM for the noob 15 year old server owners though, because it comes with pre made groups (I think, when I got my first server and had GM it did lulz) Anyways, with PEX for me it works globally, so if you have like 20 worlds on your server (Don't lie I know you have more than just 1 main world xD) then with GM you need to create groups for each world, but with PEX its global And you can get nifty plugins like VaultRank so you can just do /rank (player) (group) which is ez for your Moderators to rank players from Player - Player+ or some insignificant rank such as that. If you read all this heres a cookie just for you
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Quanto__
04/24/2014 9:59 pm
Level 17 : Journeyman System
Ok. You realize that I use PEX and I'm 14. I don't think it's fair to call 15 year old server owners 'noobs'. I have hosted mine for about 1 1/2 years with a bit of success. May you should get on mine and some other 15 year's servers before you activate the noob alarm. 11 year old server owners are usually noobs though.
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Z645
04/23/2014 12:08 am
Level 31 : Artisan Geek
Used gm once. Never again after finding out about pex.
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radioactiveglucose
04/23/2014 12:11 am
Level 47 : Master Architect
I hate PEX, Groupmanager forever!
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OneWhiteWolf
04/23/2014 12:27 am
Level 31 : Artisan Procrastinator
its all based on opinion but i prefer GroupManager over PermissionsEx anyday
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MaximusMax
04/23/2014 2:42 am
Level 1 : New Miner
There are somethings that Pex doesn't support, like Sub Groups. Although it is a bit difficult with all these ''ddv'' things at the end of the command in GroupManager. Some plugins DO NOT accept pex, and even they write a comment saying that the plugin might not work perfectly with Pex installed. I used pex for my prison server before and when players /rankup it wouldn't change their prefixes. So I got a custom Permissions plugin.

Anyway, thanks guys for your opinions! But I'm still looking for more opinions!
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Scarsz
04/23/2014 4:21 am
Level 22 : Expert Network
I would love to know what horribly coded plugins will not accept one of the two mainstream permission plugins.
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kogan007
04/23/2014 7:04 am
Level 31 : Artisan Dragonborn
You should look at YAPP. I use it for my server and it runs very well
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theIgloo
04/25/2014 8:06 am
Level 3 : Apprentice Hunter
Pex.
I've used both and still do on a regular basis, and Pex is much more customisable and easy to use. Those who say it's hard or not user-friendly are just too lazy to figure out how to use it properly.
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Scarsz
04/25/2014 8:51 pm
Level 22 : Expert Network
GirithiumI would definitely recommend PEX and here's why:

  • - From my experience, some plugins usually are built to be compatible with PEX

  • - It's VERY easy to configure, so it shouldn't be too hard to learn

  • - There are a lot more features to be used with it


Thank you both for getting a bit of my hope back.

Also, to the people that are saying PEX doesn't support subgroups obviously hasn't even tried to configure them, and yes, they do exist.

It's called inheritance. Small explanation for you:
2 Groups:
1. "VIP" has the permission plugin.vip
2. "VIP+" has the permission plugin.morevip

Setting the "VIP+" group to have inheritance over the "VIP" group would cause the "VIP+" group to have the permissions associated with it as well as the permission from "VIP" because it inherits the permissions from it. In the end, "VIP+" would have the permissions "plugin.vip" and "plugin.morevip"
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Girithium
04/25/2014 6:31 pm
Level 20 : Expert Network
I would definitely recommend PEX and here's why:

  • - From my experience, some plugins usually are built to be compatible with PEX

  • - It's VERY easy to configure, so it shouldn't be too hard to learn

  • - There are a lot more features to be used with it
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ThouGreatness
04/25/2014 8:59 pm
Level 14 : Journeyman Architect
austinjames7
theIglooPex.
I've used both and still do on a regular basis, and Pex is much more customisable and easy to use. Those who say it's hard or not user-friendly are just too lazy to figure out how to use it properly.

GirithiumI would definitely recommend PEX and here's why:

  • - From my experience, some plugins usually are built to be compatible with PEX

  • - It's VERY easy to configure, so it shouldn't be too hard to learn

  • - There are a lot more features to be used with it


Thank you both for getting a bit of my hope back.

Also, to the people that are saying PEX doesn't support subgroups obviously hasn't even tried to configure them, and yes, they do exist.

It's called inheritance. Small explanation for you:
2 Groups:
1. "VIP" has the permission plugin.vip
2. "VIP+" has the permission plugin.morevip

Setting the "VIP+" group to have inheritance over the "VIP" group would cause the "VIP+" group to have the permissions associated with it as well as the permission from "VIP" because it inherits the permissions from it. In the end, "VIP+" would have the permissions "plugin.vip" and "plugin.morevip"


One can give inheritance to a group in Group Manager as easily, if not easier, than one could in PEX.
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Scarsz
04/25/2014 10:13 pm
Level 22 : Expert Network
ThouGreatness
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theIglooPex.
I've used both and still do on a regular basis, and Pex is much more customisable and easy to use. Those who say it's hard or not user-friendly are just too lazy to figure out how to use it properly.

GirithiumI would definitely recommend PEX and here's why:

  • - From my experience, some plugins usually are built to be compatible with PEX

  • - It's VERY easy to configure, so it shouldn't be too hard to learn

  • - There are a lot more features to be used with it


Thank you both for getting a bit of my hope back.

Also, to the people that are saying PEX doesn't support subgroups obviously hasn't even tried to configure them, and yes, they do exist.

It's called inheritance. Small explanation for you:
2 Groups:
1. "VIP" has the permission plugin.vip
2. "VIP+" has the permission plugin.morevip

Setting the "VIP+" group to have inheritance over the "VIP" group would cause the "VIP+" group to have the permissions associated with it as well as the permission from "VIP" because it inherits the permissions from it. In the end, "VIP+" would have the permissions "plugin.vip" and "plugin.morevip"


One can give inheritance to a group in Group Manager as easily, if not easier, than one could in PEX.


The point of the post is for the people that practically have nothing against PEX except for the fact it "doesn't support sub groups" and apparently isn't stable. It honestly shouldn't matter which plugin allows you to configure it anyway (It's only a slight couple of seconds) because, in my opinion at least, the less amount of time you do something, like making a configuration file, the more likely it will fail at doing everything you want on the first try. The point was suppose to for the most part explain to people that you can indeed have subgroups on PEX as well.
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_Halt__
04/30/2014 5:44 pm
Level 1 : New Miner
group manager breaks EVERY TIME I ADD SOMETHING
its annoying.

but
i would reccomen since it is easier to edit
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TreeDB
05/01/2014 3:24 am
Level 1 : New Network
I personally have managed a lot of servers in the past and still manage several servers, all of them use different permission plugins, some use pex while others use group manager. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

PermissionsEx
Pros: regex permission nodes, multi-world support, single file.
Cons: can be buggy at times when using dev builds, when user join they sometimes don't have permissions generally after ban (believe it is fixed now though).

Group Manager
Pros: Very good multi-world support, capable of mirroring permissions across multiple worlds (in the config)
Cons: Multiple files and can be a pain when you need to add a permission to every group in every world

Its really a personal choice, when I have to setup a server I prefer PermissionsEx, but that is just me. It really depends on what you need.
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