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I need more memory!

Mikeroboblox 6/30/14 6:48 pm
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7/2/2014 10:52 am
Okay so it has automatically given minecraft 120MB to use, and right now it is using 110-115MB. I have done the -xmx2G and stuff, and gotten the error cannot create java machine or whatever and have done what others have said, so can anyone help? Also, I can give more info if you can tell me what info you need.
Okay, forgot to mention this as it didn't end up helping - my friend and I got 989MB of memory. It's using about 40% of it, and the usage has grown. Before it was using 110MB, now it is a lot higher, even though nothing has changed. I have tried using a 8x8 texturepack, but it didn't help. I think I am either going to need to try something else, or get a new computer altogether.
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EhhChris
07/02/2014 10:52 am
Level 53 : Grandmaster Programmer
Like I said, the gpu you have is pretty garbage. Which is probably the cause. For reference, page four of this thread there's another post of mine that has a comparative benchmark score. I'd quote it but pmc isn't so elegant on a phone.
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iSayCr4pAlot
07/01/2014 12:18 pm
Level 27 : Expert Dragonborn
What computer are you using?
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Mikeroboblox
07/01/2014 12:40 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
Dell Inspiron N5110.
You put in the Xmx2G then UNCHECK THE BOX AFTER. My friend and I tested this and he had 20-30 fps and he made it Xmx5G and got 70-90.

I tried and it didn't help. The amount of allocated memory changes randomly in-game, like allocated memory can be 989 then drop to 120 but used memory will be like 130 out of 910. I did -Xmx5G and -Xmx5G -Xms5G. I'm talking to another friend, hes in college, and he says memory would not boost performance.
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MonarchOfMadness
07/01/2014 12:13 pm
Level 55 : Grandmaster Grump
You put in the Xmx2G then UNCHECK THE BOX AFTER. My friend and I tested this and he had 20-30 fps and he made it Xmx5G and got 70-90.
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MCPr0Pancakes
07/01/2014 4:23 am
Level 5 : Apprentice Modder
Hello, Mike. Assuming your on a windows machine do this.

Hold your windows key. And Press R

A small box should appear.

Continue and type in Type dxdiag

Please Screenshop/paste bin the
System/Display/Sound tabs.

We should be able to help you more with this information


-Best Regards
Pr0Pancakes
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P0tatoChip
07/01/2014 4:00 am
Level 17 : Journeyman Pokémon
Try deleting your trash if you have nothing the trash tryndeleting other useless stuff
I reccomend using CCleaner its Free and its handy!
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Mikeroboblox
07/01/2014 12:10 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
That is too obvious. I did that before anything, and continually do it weekly as I have said before.
Hello, Mike. Assuming your on a windows machine do this.

Hold your windows key. And Press R

A small box should appear.

Continue and type in Type dxdiag

Please Screenshop/paste bin the
System/Display/Sound tabs.

We should be able to help you more with this information


-Best Regards
Pr0Pancakes

I have done this before, and I have copied all the info about all the things that you guys asked for. ( I forget who exactly it was. )
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Mikeroboblox
07/01/2014 3:54 am
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
I reset my computer last month or so, and updated everything straight from 2011. Nothing is old, just re-updated java and stuff today to fix it. Thanks anyway!
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Prism Network
07/01/2014 3:42 am
Level 18 : Journeyman Network
So just to ask are your all drivers all up to date? Because i once was at a friends house and he was bragging me how his computer was laggy and well when i did few test results were horrible! 5000+ viruses on his computer and drivers not updated since 2001! Than well i gave it a shot and updated all his drivers and cleaned his PC and now it works fine even thou its old.

So my point, try what i did for my friend and tell me if it works.
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Mikeroboblox
07/01/2014 1:03 am
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
I have people like killertoad, I will do fine!
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Knightsundere
07/01/2014 1:05 am
Level 62 : High Grandmaster Cyborg
Ahaha, you've got the entire Tech team of PMC here I've yet to see these guys make a mistake.
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EhhChris
07/01/2014 12:52 am
Level 53 : Grandmaster Programmer
Probably a good idea. Laptops are a pain to take apart / put back together, and to replace the CPU or put in a graphics card (if there's space) you'd need to get the very core, the motherboard. Desktops are more powerful for less. Good luck!
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Mikeroboblox
07/01/2014 12:39 am
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
Okay. Well, I am not going to screw with my laptop, I would rather buy a desktop anyway.
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EhhChris
07/01/2014 12:33 am
Level 53 : Grandmaster Programmer
Alright, here's your problem. The GPU that comes integrated with that CPU is practically useless.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.p ... el+HD+3000

Either you need to buy an independent GPU or replace the CPU with a different one that also has integrated graphics, but of a higher level.
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Mikeroboblox
07/01/2014 12:27 am
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
From the specs you posted earlier, your laptop should easily run Minecraft on low settings at around 30-50 FPS unless your video card is complete crap. Honestly, I think that your computer may just need to be cleaned up. Download a decent free antivirus and give it a run. I see people ask for PC builds because they get fed up with their computers not running smoothly so often when a cleanup could improve performance to necessary levels. I'm not saying a new computer wouldn't be great, but I believe yours would be just fine.
I have tried that, and I delete everything and clean it weekly. I have also completely wiped everything before, none of it worked.
hit windows key + r, then type in dxdiag and hit run. Go to the display panel and tell us what the name field says.
This is what it says for device: Intel HD Graphics Family. For Chip Type, same thing as device name. For DAC type it is Internal. That is all it says.
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EhhChris
07/01/2014 12:19 am
Level 53 : Grandmaster Programmer
From the specs you posted earlier, your laptop should easily run Minecraft on low settings at around 30-50 FPS unless your video card is complete crap. Honestly, I think that your computer may just need to be cleaned up. Download a decent free antivirus and give it a run. I see people ask for PC builds because they get fed up with their computers not running smoothly so often when a cleanup could improve performance to necessary levels. I'm not saying a new computer wouldn't be great, but I believe yours would be just fine. As far as getting the video card details, if you're on windows 7:

hit windows key + r, then type in dxdiag and hit run. Go to the display panel and tell us what the name field says.
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 10:54 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
I got the memory fixed, and I have 16 FPS, but I have wanted a new comp for awhile, and the 3 FPS is still really common. I will keep using this for now, but if the problem comes back and I CAN get the money, I probably will get it.


Edit- Okay, the memory keeps disappearing and re-appearing, leading to 99% of the time being 3-7 FPS
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illuminati128k
06/30/2014 10:47 pm
Level 30 : Artisan Explorer
Try http://www.downloadmoreram.com that should give you more memory
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Randomness3333
06/30/2014 10:32 pm
Level 26 : Expert Princess
I made two build for you.
Intel build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3240 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($62.52 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.88 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Club 3D Radeon R7 265 2GB royalQueen Video Card ($139.99 @ NCIX)
Case: BitFenix Merc Alpha (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Memory Express)
Total: $495.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
AMD build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($94.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: MSI A55M-E33 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($52.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.88 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Club 3D Radeon R7 265 2GB royalQueen Video Card ($139.99 @ NCIX)
Case: BitFenix Merc Alpha (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Memory Express)
Total: $500.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
The Intel build has a much better upgrade path. The AMD build would have better performance in multi-threaded programs whie the Intel build has stronger single core performance.
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 10:10 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
Okay, forgot to mention this as it didn't end up helping - my friend and I got 989MB of memory. It's using about 40% of it, and the usage has grown. Before it was using 110MB, now it is a lot higher, even though nothing has changed. I have tried using a 8x8 texturepack, but it didn't help. I think I am either going to need to try something else, or get a new computer altogether.
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Leeberator
06/30/2014 10:06 pm
Level 47 : Master Button Pusher
The way the Java Virtual Machine (and therefore Minecraft) allocates memory is this:

  • It is given an absolute maximum heap size (amount of memory) that it is allowed to use.
  • It (optionally) can be given a minimum heap size.
  • It will allocate a soft maximum heap size on its own in order to have less of an impact on memory available to the rest of the system.
  • Once the memory needed is more than the soft max it made, it will increase the max heap size as needed, up to the hard maximum that you set with -Xmx.


So basically your Minecraft is only giving itself a maximum of 120 MB because it currently doesn't need more than that, and is letting the rest of your computer use the rest.


Yes, I know that this isn't the main focus of this thread, but this is the cause of the confusion that led to the problem that this thread is for.
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ohNavi
06/30/2014 10:05 pm
Level 4 : Apprentice Crafter
Start the Minecraft server (.jar version)
-If you have the .jar version, you will need to have a path variable set up for Java in order to start the jar version of the server. Refer to step 3 of "REQUIRED: Verify and Install the Latest Version of Java" above to set up a path variable.
To start the jar version of Minecraft on Windows, create a new file in Notepad, and paste in

java -Xms512M -Xmx1G -jar minecraft_server.jar
(add in -d64 if your server is on a 64-bit computer using 64-bit java)

or

java -Xms1G -Xmx2G -jar minecraft_server.jar

Save the file as startserver.bat, and place the file in the same folder as minecraft_server.jar. The .bat extension saves the file as a batch file.
Double click startserver.bat, and the Minecraft server will run.
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 9:55 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
What is this computer going to be used for?
Minecraft,TF2,GMod,Loadout,Terraria, and recording Terraria and Minecraft.
What is your budget?
$500 Canadian
Where do you live? If in the US, do you have a nearby Microcenter?
Canada
What is included in the budget?
I have the mouse,keyboard, and OS.
Will you be overclocking?
I do not think so, unless it is needed.
If you are reusing parts list them here.
OS, Mouse, Keyboard
What OS do you want?
Have one..
Any specific case preferences?
Color: Blue, like a nice light blue, or metallic or something.
Any other special features that you want in the build?
If its more bang for my buck, throw it in, as long as it doesn't go far over the budget.
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Rice
06/30/2014 9:43 pm
Level 36 : Artisan Taco
Answer this please : D

What is this computer going to be used for?
List what you will be doing with your computer.
What is your budget?
Include amount and currency.
Where do you live? If in the US, do you have a nearby Microcenter?
Your country lets us know what sites you can order from. If you have a nearby Microcenter they have some great in-store only deals that you can take advantage of.
What is included in the budget?
Things like the tower, the OS, peripherals and monitors.
Will you be overclocking?
Overclocking will require different hardware than a non-overclocking build so we need to know this.
Will you be reusing any parts?
If you are reusing parts list them here.
What OS do you want?
Say which OS you want or say if you already have a copy of one.
Any specific case preferences?
Size, color, etc.
Any other special features that you want in the build?
Stuff like an SSD, large hard drive, RAID, and wifi
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 9:41 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
No. Sorry. I am thinking of just making/buying another computer, but I don't even know where to start. I just basically want to be able to play Minecraft with 60 or whatever FPS. I have the OS, Keyboard, and mouse, and probably a monitor. I just need the build. I know you guys ( Killertoad etc ) build computer all the time, I have seen them. Any ideas? IF I can get the money I would have about $500 ( Not much more ) to spend. I am not looking for Skyrim with ultra settings and mods, mainly because I don't have it and don't plan on it, but don't refer to it. I just want MC with 60 or whatever frames. The monitor will be small so I don't need it to project over a 30 inch screen. Thanks
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 9:04 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
It's funny because I am using a laptop and I do not believe those can be modified.
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 9:00 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
This is all I could find
System Model: Dell Inspiron N5110
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2430M CPU @ 2.40 GHz ( 4 CPUs )
Memory: 6144M RAM
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Killertoad
06/30/2014 9:35 pm
Level 22 : Expert Crafter
Can you not find the GPU?
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anonpmc1072506
06/30/2014 8:44 pm
Level 19 : Journeyman Miner
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anonpmc844841
06/30/2014 10:38 pm
Level 13 : Journeyman Miner
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Leeberator
06/30/2014 11:46 pm
Level 47 : Master Button Pusher
False. 32-bit Java can only handle about 1 GB of memory (closer to 1.4 GB IIRC).
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anonpmc844841
07/01/2014 4:07 am
Level 13 : Journeyman Miner
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Killertoad
06/30/2014 11:53 pm
Level 22 : Expert Crafter
Yeah, I think he's getting confused with how 32 bit operating systems only support 4GB's.
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Prism Network
06/30/2014 9:01 pm
Level 18 : Journeyman Network
I never get why people want to have 300+ fps? I am happy with my 60 fps not more not less, its not like i need more.
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Swimmer1929
06/30/2014 9:03 pm
Level 40 : Master Taco
Ikr. Most monitors have a refresh rate of 60 or 120 MHz, so anything above that won't make a difference.
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 8:38 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
Actually, the person who told me was on PMC, and on a post asking if it my laptop would run MC or if I am trying to do something it can't. You posted there too, and nobody disagreed. I will go and try and find the info, brb
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 8:00 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
Still can't find them....
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 7:54 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
It was an excuse not to download it. My friend tells me its a virus, and why download something to do something I can already do without it? And, it is a 3 year old dell inspiron laptop but has good enough specs to run it at medium settings fine, someone checked for me.
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Killertoad
06/30/2014 8:30 pm
Level 22 : Expert Crafter
Is your friend the same person that said it should run it fine? No offense, he doesn't sound like he know a whole lot if he is calling it a virus.

You can do dxdiag, and find it that way. But it's alot more information
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Swimmer1929
06/30/2014 7:57 pm
Level 40 : Master Taco
Oh, lol. But it's not a virus. I've been using it for years. I understand if you prefer not to download anything, though.
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 7:47 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
Already tried that.
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Prism Network
06/30/2014 7:45 pm
Level 18 : Journeyman Network
You are probaly using 32bit java, install 64bit java and than try to add more than 1 GB of ram.
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 7:45 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
I'm not downloading anything, my computer is crappy as it is, and I can't download much. I have gotten the specs before but I forget how.
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Swimmer1929
06/30/2014 7:47 pm
Level 40 : Master Taco
http://www.wikihow.com/Check-Computer-Specifications

Wait... you just called your computer crappy, yet you're expecting it to run Minecraft smoothly. o_0
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Swimmer1929
06/30/2014 7:42 pm
Level 40 : Master Taco
MikerobobloxHow do I get that info? I am trying something right now with my friend, but I am a computer noob.

Google "Speccy" and download it. It's by Piriform.
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 7:40 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
How do I get that info? I am trying something right now with my friend, but I am a computer noob. It didn't work what she wanted to do.
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Killertoad
06/30/2014 8:28 pm
Level 22 : Expert Crafter
You can download this program called "speccy" and it'll tell us everything we need to know.

Edit, woops, didn't see it posted above.
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 7:35 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
Killertoad, tell me what specs you need and how to get them and I will try
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53MP3RF1
06/30/2014 7:39 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Explorer
We need your:

► CPU
► Memory (RAM)
► Hard Drive (with RPM, if possible)
► Video Card (if you have one)
► Power Supply (optional)
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Mikeroboblox
06/30/2014 7:34 pm
Level 11 : Journeyman Network
Okay, I have 6.00 Installed Ram, somebody already checked my specs and they should run MC with flying colors and decent settings, but I am on lowest settings possible.
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