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I am DONE
I swear, I am finished with working on servers. These past months I have been looking for servers I can help out on and hopefully help prosper to let new players enjoy but every single one I join turns into a train wreck let it be bad staff, owners players, or the server just doesnt get popular. For example, I just got banned from the server I got accepted on for no explained reason and I am really bummed. Hopefully one day I get to become staff on an up and running server, I just want to make people happy.
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lol $200...
I just say no refund on the donor page and than punish donors same as regular players.... It's a good method :p
this is what i do lol donatiors are players who helped the server out no difference. they did something bad they get punished, they hack = ban. no difference
Yeah, for some reason, people think, 'Oh hey! I can get away with anything! ;D'
Yup, just because someone transferred some money from your PayPal to this server doesn't mean that the donator deserves anything more than access to some things regular players can't get, and a fancy title. The rules are all the same.
Also, it's weird that servers only seem to take Paypal. I'm guessing easier transfers or more security? Gah, banking.
Also, it's weird that servers only seem to take Paypal. I'm guessing easier transfers or more security? Gah, banking.
I am very used to this i have banned quite a few on a server i am staff on. Even people who donated $200. Doesn't matter break a rule and SWOOOSH it says "Ban hammer has spoken."
You might feel frustrated but the answer is simple. Most server never achieve that rank and has to be closen. As for bad staff the owner has to have some responsibility to take care of them as well.
-Andre (It all hangs on how interesting and fun the server is)(Staff members hang on the ability and actions of the owner)
-Andre (It all hangs on how interesting and fun the server is)(Staff members hang on the ability and actions of the owner)
I need to point out, if you are going to be talking about donations, by a legal standpoint, owners/staff of servers are not allowed to make actual profit off of servers. Donations are gifts directed towards the server unless stated otherwise.
Legally, any person involved in administration of a server is not allowed to to use money for themselves, ESPECIALLY if they do not clearly identify if the donation is going towards themselves.
A majority of these people don't understand the laws and haven't read them. They probably think that money that hasn't been used to pay for hosting is money they can keep instead of saving it for the server. If something gets loads of donations and then shuts down it's pretty clear that the owner is going to be using that money on their self.
That's why you have to be careful with donations, and probably why a lot of people don't donate to small servers that have only been up for a short while. That's my reasoning, anyway.
That's why you have to be careful with donations, and probably why a lot of people don't donate to small servers that have only been up for a short while. That's my reasoning, anyway.
Best way to do it:
1. Collect Donations where you can.
2. Keep costs low, Without slacking on quality.
3. Save any additional income for dedicated machine/better host.
You won't have a profitable Server, but you'll sure have a damn good Server
1. Collect Donations where you can.
2. Keep costs low, Without slacking on quality.
3. Save any additional income for dedicated machine/better host.
You won't have a profitable Server, but you'll sure have a damn good Server
That's what I was getting at. If only all servers followed those three steps, then they'd be more than money farms for people who don't want to work for something.
My friends donated on a server they got pretty OP commands and stuff. OFC everyone donated. The server shut down and nothing ever happened
It is a shame that most of this is true, many servers either grab as much donor money they can get and sometimes even shut down spontaneously so the owner can keep all the money for themselves. I always try to keep my server reasonable and I'm proud that the popularity is growing without using cheap advertising and etc. Its such a shame that most people run their server just to make money now and don't even bother going on their own servers.
Meh, they're all probably like six or something.
lol true true
Good, its people like that that just ruing the game.
Today's "major" servers tend to get kind of dumb now, since they want you to "pay to win". For example, say you're playing a PVP game and it has classes. However, all but one class is locked and you need to buy each other class.
Donations are great, but try to keep them very optional and fair. Don't make a cash-cow server where all you want is money and players.
If I could run a dedicated server instead of home-run, I'd make donations give access to various good things, like WorldEdit in the Creative world, or certain commands be unlocked afterwards which come in convenience.
I too have had trouble with Badmins (bad admin pun ). These admins on a good server were really sketchy in terms of... well... admin abuse. They had the Essentials plugin, so naturally they had the ability to see your inventory as well as place and remove things from it. One day I was mining and some admin got "griefed" and had his Diamond Everything stolen. I didn't care, until I checked my inventory a few seconds later. 8 Diamond Blocks, 2 Diamond Pickaxes (one of them was enchanted), the rest of the tools (also all enchanted), and a full set of (yep, enchanted) diamond armor.
I had no idea as to how this stuff got in there until I remembered the command to see inventories. I knew that admin put those diamond things in my inventory to get me banned.
I freaked out and soon enough, the admin who got "griefed" checked my inventory and later was banned for "Griefing an Admin. You should know better."
I went to the server's website where they have a Ban Appeal page and sent what happened. A couple of days later, I am unbanned, and that admin was demoted to a normal user and was temp-banned for a month.
Donations are great, but try to keep them very optional and fair. Don't make a cash-cow server where all you want is money and players.
If I could run a dedicated server instead of home-run, I'd make donations give access to various good things, like WorldEdit in the Creative world, or certain commands be unlocked afterwards which come in convenience.
I too have had trouble with Badmins (bad admin pun ). These admins on a good server were really sketchy in terms of... well... admin abuse. They had the Essentials plugin, so naturally they had the ability to see your inventory as well as place and remove things from it. One day I was mining and some admin got "griefed" and had his Diamond Everything stolen. I didn't care, until I checked my inventory a few seconds later. 8 Diamond Blocks, 2 Diamond Pickaxes (one of them was enchanted), the rest of the tools (also all enchanted), and a full set of (yep, enchanted) diamond armor.
I had no idea as to how this stuff got in there until I remembered the command to see inventories. I knew that admin put those diamond things in my inventory to get me banned.
I freaked out and soon enough, the admin who got "griefed" checked my inventory and later was banned for "Griefing an Admin. You should know better."
I went to the server's website where they have a Ban Appeal page and sent what happened. A couple of days later, I am unbanned, and that admin was demoted to a normal user and was temp-banned for a month.
you just summarized my whole blog post about this problem... you are my god *hails*
creeoeryes this is true I know servers dont make vast amount of money but ive seen so many middle class servers trying to get a $200 donation that i kind of gave up :/ oh also your correct about that second thing you saidZoundrevThis happens, really because the MC community supports the HUGE servers. Which all practically offer the same content. These huge servers aren't for fun as what was previously stated. They are present to make money and that is about it. And when I said all of the MC community I do not mean all, I know that many support small servers and do their best to help servers grow. But a vast majority vote on these large servers, crushing smaller ones onto a level unseen by most, and tend to die rather quickly.
Present to make money? Do you know how much money it takes to rent huge servers like this? Hundreds of dollars; in fact one small tekkit server community with 3 servers pays hundreds of dollars a month for their servers, and they get tons of donations. These people aren't making any profit from their servers; the money they get from these servers dont help them, its to rent these expensive bills, especially for the dedicated servers (Also buisness-grade internet is another factor). The servers that make a few donations and then go "Bon voyage" are the servers that have their owners use the money for personal things. However fairly large servers NEED donations, they are truly getting 0 profit, they can't buy themselves a new car with their donations. They need to encourage people to donate, or else they cant pay their bills and then no server for you.as i said... servers have fallen into the greedy part of the world *sighs*
And my opinion here is that only small, new servers from owners with 0 expierence have "greedy owners". These people simply are new to the idea and believe that large server owners are getting tons of money off of their servers. But in REALITY, all of that money is going to the hosting companies; as servers grow their bills will get higher and pretty soon all of that money is going to go POOF! Also, people who run a server for a few months and only get 20 bucks or so..probally had their server shutdown..as they couldnt afford the bills.
YoutubeBrian56you are the definition of douche... xDHermesWoopI swear, I am finished with working on servers. These past months I have been looking for servers I can help out on and hopefully help prosper to let new players enjoy but every single one I join turns into a train wreck let it be bad staff, owners players, or the server just doesnt get popular. For example, I just got banned from the server I got accepted on for no explained reason and I am really bummed. Hopefully one day I get to become staff on an up and running server, I just want to make people happy.
The next generation happened bro get used to it
This happens, really because the MC community supports the HUGE servers. Which all practically offer the same content. These huge servers aren't for fun as what was previously stated. They are present to make money and that is about it. And when I said all of the MC community I do not mean all, I know that many support small servers and do their best to help servers grow. But a vast majority vote on these large servers, crushing smaller ones onto a level unseen by most, and tend to die rather quickly.
Present to make money? Do you know how much money it takes to rent huge servers like this? Hundreds of dollars; in fact one small tekkit server community with 3 servers pays hundreds of dollars a month for their servers, and they get tons of donations. These people aren't making any profit from their servers; the money they get from these servers dont help them, its to rent these expensive bills, especially for the dedicated servers (Also buisness-grade internet is another factor). The servers that make a few donations and then go "Bon voyage" are the servers that have their owners use the money for personal things. However fairly large servers NEED donations, they are truly getting 0 profit, they can't buy themselves a new car with their donations. They need to encourage people to donate, or else they cant pay their bills and then no server for you.
And my opinion here is that only small, new servers from owners with 0 expierence have "greedy owners". These people simply are new to the idea and believe that large server owners are getting tons of money off of their servers. But in REALITY, all of that money is going to the hosting companies; as servers grow their bills will get higher and pretty soon all of that money is going to go POOF! Also, people who run a server for a few months and only get 20 bucks or so..probally had their server shutdown..as they couldnt afford the bills.
as i said... servers have fallen into the greedy part of the world *sighs*
And my opinion here is that only small, new servers from owners with 0 expierence have "greedy owners". These people simply are new to the idea and believe that large server owners are getting tons of money off of their servers. But in REALITY, all of that money is going to the hosting companies; as servers grow their bills will get higher and pretty soon all of that money is going to go POOF! Also, people who run a server for a few months and only get 20 bucks or so..probally had their server shutdown..as they couldnt afford the bills.
as i said... servers have fallen into the greedy part of the world *sighs*
I agree with this.
This is why i usually join small, whitelist servers, the community's are great, staff usually get along, and everyones happy. I am a part of the ThnxCya Network, its still amazing without the whitelist we used to have, but the community is full of amazing people, staff, and such. If you look for a server based on having a good time and having fun with people, you found a great server.
HermesWoopI swear, I am finished with working on servers. These past months I have been looking for servers I can help out on and hopefully help prosper to let new players enjoy but every single one I join turns into a train wreck let it be bad staff, owners players, or the server just doesnt get popular. For example, I just got banned from the server I got accepted on for no explained reason and I am really bummed. Hopefully one day I get to become staff on an up and running server, I just want to make people happy.
The next generation happened bro get used to it
I'd honestly say if anyone's complaining about the state of the server market these days, it's kinda our fault. We're the ones that kept voting for, going into, advertising and donating to the servers with staff that don't have your utmost long term fun in mind.
The best thing you can do now is keep searching for the small servers (like, the REALLY small ones where you can easily get to know all the active players that ever come on). The only problem is that most of these smaller servers also die off fast. I was one of those stubborn server owners that constantly disobeyed the players and kept hosting the server for a long time no matter how many active players we had (most months it was 5 active players) even though they kept asking for it to be shut down. But now, I don't do that anymore, so tough luck trying to find somebody who'll keep the small servers up without any donations.
The best thing you can do now is keep searching for the small servers (like, the REALLY small ones where you can easily get to know all the active players that ever come on). The only problem is that most of these smaller servers also die off fast. I was one of those stubborn server owners that constantly disobeyed the players and kept hosting the server for a long time no matter how many active players we had (most months it was 5 active players) even though they kept asking for it to be shut down. But now, I don't do that anymore, so tough luck trying to find somebody who'll keep the small servers up without any donations.
This is what happens when you go LOOKING to be staff on servers. Most of the time the good servers are ones that actually want you to play for a longer amount of time before considering you for a staff position and letting them know you want staff from day one doesn't make you look good. The servers that do give you a staff rank right away are usually poorly managed.
Is is the word 'looking' capitalised to enhance the readers reading ability (as in get their attention)? My friend's an idiot and he never stops fighting. I had to repeat somtehing twice (because he doesn't listen) so I capitalised key words. He disagrees.
Exactly. If a server just asks for staff, then you know it will probably be a bad one with not organised staff. The best thing you can do if you want to start a server/ run a server is to be the only staff member (or together with a friend you know well, and who you trust). Then when you get more members in your server, try to find the most active and trustworthy one. Talk a bit with him, and see if this person can be trusted. Then ask if that person wants to help you with moderating the server. Etc.
This has worked for the server that I am on, but our server population has gone down a lot lately. This is more because of the Pixelmon server that we run, and Pixelmon had that issue a while ago with malicious code. It scared people away. But I won't go off-topic any further :p
This has worked for the server that I am on, but our server population has gone down a lot lately. This is more because of the Pixelmon server that we run, and Pixelmon had that issue a while ago with malicious code. It scared people away. But I won't go off-topic any further :p
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If you become a staff really fast on a server, usually that's a bad thing saying that the people who run it don't know what they're doing. You probably became staff on these servers that are non-stop posted around about looking for staff.
If you become a staff really fast on a server, usually that's a bad thing saying that the people who run it don't know what they're doing. You probably became staff on these servers that are non-stop posted around about looking for staff.
you are truly right. these days i dont even try to get staff i play. i be as nice as i can because im not a jerk and then if they really want me i say "Eh...fine" i really dont think people know what staff means anymore
Too true. The Staff on my Server I've known for awhile and I've seen work with players. I'd NEVER hire anyone who applied just after joining. You have to get a feel for how the Server works, how the people are, everything. You wouldn't walk into an interview with a tank top and paint covered pants and say, "Give me the job." Unless you're Will Smith and making a movie.
Having said that, I do like to look for small Server and help them. Never hurts to help people out. Everything is so competitive, if you know you have something good, at least in your mind. Why bother fighting with every other Server that has the same idea?
Having said that, I do like to look for small Server and help them. Never hurts to help people out. Everything is so competitive, if you know you have something good, at least in your mind. Why bother fighting with every other Server that has the same idea?
same so far all my staff ive know for awile and only one is new to my staff network. Hes been playing for awhile and we joke around with eachother and ive began to trust him. He never donated because i dont care about donations -_- donations are up just to be well donations a thanks to the server :/
Smartest post I've seen on here. What is really bad is when owners/admins pressure you into becoming staff. What I really hate is when the owners find out I make plugins, all they want is to hire you. MAYBE I JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GAME!?!?!?
erm, to be fair, being fed up with just that sort of behavior is why we branched off and made the server im running today. it IS an epidemic, but it isn't one that is going unnoticed.
I know, I remember a server I worked on awhile ago. The server went off on me about letting donators abuse because he was getting money off of them. Awhile later he de-opped me but I had social spy still on and I saw him message on of his donators that he said that to me to make me feel bad.
i stamp that server as bad!
I know exactly how you feel. I recently created my own Server Network. I get along with the Owner, but the whole Donors are unpunishable never settled with me. I really never cared about money. I just care about getting enough in to keep the Server running. Any extra immediately goes into my dedicated Server for upgrades.
these days servers make servers for prosper. they make it for money and players and popularity when thats not the real point. i dont get why this is going on but it needs to stop its just no point anymore :/ but small servers are a starting point. when you talk to them like that its a reason they dont accept you. when you get banned for no reason bad staff is the reason. people dont know what a server is and to fix it they treat players bad. to many people are having this issue and i really think it needs to end
I know :I People who run servers for the money is just stupid. Also Owners who don't help their players or screw around with them or kill them for entertainment is also a problem.
I have to agree with your second point about bad owners, but I partially disagree with the first one.
If you run a server just as a hope to get some extra cash it's kind of stupid.
But another example: look at the people who own the Hive.
They get so many donators, so often, that I doubt they even have jobs that don't involve the server. Keeping the server up is a great idea for them because as much as they care about the players, the money is a lot of what keeps them going.
If you run a server just as a hope to get some extra cash it's kind of stupid.
But another example: look at the people who own the Hive.
They get so many donators, so often, that I doubt they even have jobs that don't involve the server. Keeping the server up is a great idea for them because as much as they care about the players, the money is a lot of what keeps them going.
Its sad to see minecraft servers falling into greed
Getting your server noticed and popular is very hard. It takes many months. I know this from experience. :I I just started my (4th) server a few weeks ago.
Also bad staff is never a problem I've had, I've known all my staff for 3+ years.
Also bad staff is never a problem I've had, I've known all my staff for 3+ years.
