Paril
Since this topic is fairly important, I've decided to hijack and sticky the thread. Discuss the new EULA changes here.
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ChimalusDoes God have a EULA that prevents people from buying and selling things within his created universe? Nope. Why should Mojang?
.... because Mojang is not God? lol
Does God have a EULA that prevents people from buying and selling things within his created universe? Nope. Why should Mojang?
(The God thing is theoretical. Wouldn't want anyone to think I'm preaching. It's just a cute analogy! Gosh!)
(The God thing is theoretical. Wouldn't want anyone to think I'm preaching. It's just a cute analogy! Gosh!)
God and mojang are a whole different thing -_-
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Me either
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lets get this strate. THERE IS NO NEW EULA. all we have is a blog post saying what they want to put in a new eula. the blog post is not a legal document.
Ok then, going on the "old" one, or current one as you put it, no servers can even sell cosmetics or anything in game! All they can pretty much do it sell merchandise not-related to minecraft, and accept donations. I think most people like this "new" one!
For everyone who wants to act tuff, know that [Ctrl + F] will help back your -stuff- up when you want to dig something from the EULA.
They basically do, it's just a matter of paperwork. Last time I looked, Microsoft said, at the latest, it'd be done by the end of the year.
They'll either change the EULA, or enforce the current one, because they're a large, strictly run company. It's just what's going to happen, though it might take time. For better or worse, though? I have no idea.
They'll either change the EULA, or enforce the current one, because they're a large, strictly run company. It's just what's going to happen, though it might take time. For better or worse, though? I have no idea.
Nothing much has changed at the moment, so Microsoft might not do anything...
As for the EULA, I've never seen it enforced yet.
As for the EULA, I've never seen it enforced yet.
I don't think Microsoft's going to do anything for a while. Considering the company they are, taking good care of a video game subcompany would hardly be part of their concerns, especially since Mojang is not in any particular crisis. We can all wait a few months or a few years.
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People seem to think that now Microsoft bought Mojang, Mojang no longer exists and Minecraft will be ruined.
Lol. Y'all are pointing your fingers at Mojang when in reality: MOJANG DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE, just had to get that off my chest.
Microsoft bough Mojang, why should they buy something that does not exist?
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Mojang still very much exists. They're jusg (potentially) being boughten by Microsoft.
Mojang still very much exists. They're jusg (potentially) being boughten by Microsoft.
lol
mojang is now a "subreddit" of microsoft (if microsoft was reddit)
mojang is now a "subreddit" of microsoft (if microsoft was reddit)
...I'm sorry? Was that supposed to be a troll?
Is it a good idea to break the new EULA?
It's never a good idea to break any end-user license agreement, but I have never heard of Mojang going after a server that was violating Minecraft's EULA.
Then again anyone could report your server on Mojang's website.
Then again anyone could report your server on Mojang's website.
For me, they crossed the line.
Let me explain why.
the Mojang EULA (as of December 2013):
Well, dang, if the code I wrote belongs to me, then why can't I sell it? I own it. It's my innate right. Basically, they're saying--
I have a sketchbook. Unaware, by using the sketchbook I agree to the sketchbook's terms (or "EULA".) So I make a cool drawing, and I want to sell it at an art show, but suddenly the people who made the sketchbook "own" my art because of their terms so I can't do anything with it. What? If you're anything like me, by now you would think that's ridiculous! And then, they go and make less sense...
https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-se ... etisation/ says:
There is no winning in Minecraft, people. Even if you win a mini-game, you can't win the Minecraft server. Heck, do you even win the mini-game...? I'd question anything at this point if I created something and I don't have rights to it.
Plus, not all servers are like that. They're not just cutting down "pay to win" servers like grass, they're cutting ALL servers like grass. I'd be fine if that wasn't the case, but it is the case. In my opinion, they're doing the "right thing" in the wrong way.
Not only that, but the new EULA that went into effect apparently prevents you from giving perks for donating in an attempt to make "all Minecraft servers more fair." Now, if you're anyone not like me, you'd be shouting, "YAY! I DON'T HAVE TO PAY AND I GET ALL THE PERKS I WANT!" which isn't necessarily good.
Servers require a certain amount of money to run-- for upkeep, (my computer has glitched many times because I host my server,) internet (it gets costly if you know how much bandwidth is these days,) DDOS protection (google it,) and ESPECIALLY if you decide to go for paid hosting, which most people do.
Now, on a side note, Mojang says you can't sell plugins... but they say you can hire a developer. Not only is that a pain because you have to employ someone, it's costly, and since someone can't make money from a server, why would you make that investment...?
So, would you like to know what happens farther in the future?
Here we are in the future-- with the new EULA. Well, now, with funds dwindling because no one wants to donate anymore because there are no perks,
there's hardly money to hire a developer much less run the actual server 24/7.
So developers get cut off. Well, why would anyone want to create content (that they "own") for something where they can't make money...?
And without awesome plugins by private developers, we wouldn't have awesome mini-games today. Or most any plugins. Most of the free plugins are inspired by the paid ones. And without plugins, Minecraft servers are less interesting. And for someone who has played Minecraft for a long time and thinks it's already boring, taking away the community, the servers-- it takes away the replay-ability of the game. Think about it.
Minecraft is nothing without its community. And gee, with the death of thousands of Minecraft servers in the future, that leaves a large marketing gap... does it not?
So Mojang gets to join the party. (As if they already weren't in it...)
They start up Minecraft Realms. Oh, now we have to pay them to host a server? Well, if it's cheap it's not so bad... right? RIGHT? Nope.
Let me tell you why.
Even though there are many upsides, there are downsides. Large downsides.
Not to mention this point by a random internet guy:
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That random internet guy has got a point.
And, to just put the cherry on the sundae:
http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/an-ind ... ye.310086/
http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/dmcad.28536/
http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/our-dmc ... nse.28772/
Let me explain why.
the Mojang EULA (as of December 2013):
Any tools you write for the Game from scratch belong to you. . Modifications to the Game ("Mods") (including pre-run Mods and in-memory Mods) and plugins for the Game also belong to you and you can do whatever you want with them, as long as you don‘t sell them for money / try to make money from them. We have the final say on what constitutes a tool/mod/plugin and what doesn‘t.
Well, dang, if the code I wrote belongs to me, then why can't I sell it? I own it. It's my innate right. Basically, they're saying--
I have a sketchbook. Unaware, by using the sketchbook I agree to the sketchbook's terms (or "EULA".) So I make a cool drawing, and I want to sell it at an art show, but suddenly the people who made the sketchbook "own" my art because of their terms so I can't do anything with it. What? If you're anything like me, by now you would think that's ridiculous! And then, they go and make less sense...
https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-se ... etisation/ says:
As I hope you’ve noticed, these rules are making attempts to prevent Minecraft servers becoming “pay-to-win.”
There is no winning in Minecraft, people. Even if you win a mini-game, you can't win the Minecraft server. Heck, do you even win the mini-game...? I'd question anything at this point if I created something and I don't have rights to it.
Plus, not all servers are like that. They're not just cutting down "pay to win" servers like grass, they're cutting ALL servers like grass. I'd be fine if that wasn't the case, but it is the case. In my opinion, they're doing the "right thing" in the wrong way.
Not only that, but the new EULA that went into effect apparently prevents you from giving perks for donating in an attempt to make "all Minecraft servers more fair." Now, if you're anyone not like me, you'd be shouting, "YAY! I DON'T HAVE TO PAY AND I GET ALL THE PERKS I WANT!" which isn't necessarily good.
Servers require a certain amount of money to run-- for upkeep, (my computer has glitched many times because I host my server,) internet (it gets costly if you know how much bandwidth is these days,) DDOS protection (google it,) and ESPECIALLY if you decide to go for paid hosting, which most people do.
Now, on a side note, Mojang says you can't sell plugins... but they say you can hire a developer. Not only is that a pain because you have to employ someone, it's costly, and since someone can't make money from a server, why would you make that investment...?
So, would you like to know what happens farther in the future?
Here we are in the future-- with the new EULA. Well, now, with funds dwindling because no one wants to donate anymore because there are no perks,
Click to reveal
Well, some of you may say, "People will still donate!" and I'm sorry to say, that is not how most people are. They're greedy, and in the economy we have right now, no one wants to donate money out of their food budget.
there's hardly money to hire a developer much less run the actual server 24/7.
So developers get cut off. Well, why would anyone want to create content (that they "own") for something where they can't make money...?
And without awesome plugins by private developers, we wouldn't have awesome mini-games today. Or most any plugins. Most of the free plugins are inspired by the paid ones. And without plugins, Minecraft servers are less interesting. And for someone who has played Minecraft for a long time and thinks it's already boring, taking away the community, the servers-- it takes away the replay-ability of the game. Think about it.
Minecraft is nothing without its community. And gee, with the death of thousands of Minecraft servers in the future, that leaves a large marketing gap... does it not?
So Mojang gets to join the party. (As if they already weren't in it...)
They start up Minecraft Realms. Oh, now we have to pay them to host a server? Well, if it's cheap it's not so bad... right? RIGHT? Nope.
Let me tell you why.
Click to reveal
1. Takes away the D.I.Y. feeling.
2. You can't control your server completely like you could before.
2 1/2. You can roll back, but there's no land protection whatsoever. Say hi to griefing.
3. Player limit. You can only invite about 20 friends.
What's more?
3 1/2. Only 10 people can play at the same time. What a drag!
4. You're forced to use Mojang's network. And if it goes down, all servers hosted using Realms will go down.
5. You can't have custom plugins... It's all vanilla. Say bye-bye to the fun.
6. There's no way to upload a map. [CORRECTION, there was no way... is now.]
7. You can't use older versions of Minecraft with Realms.
Say bye-bye to nostalgia.
8. Realms doesn't support command blocks. [CORRECTION, they didn't before... do now.]
They still probably won't tolerate command block abuse, however.
Ex. Infinite redstone loops to try and crash the hosting.
9. One world at a time. People can't be in different worlds at the same time. You all have to agree on a game mode, even though you can switch it periodically.
I see large fights between game modes. "I want creative!" "No, I want survival!"
2. You can't control your server completely like you could before.
2 1/2. You can roll back, but there's no land protection whatsoever. Say hi to griefing.
3. Player limit. You can only invite about 20 friends.
What's more?
3 1/2. Only 10 people can play at the same time. What a drag!
4. You're forced to use Mojang's network. And if it goes down, all servers hosted using Realms will go down.
5. You can't have custom plugins... It's all vanilla. Say bye-bye to the fun.
6. There's no way to upload a map. [CORRECTION, there was no way... is now.]
7. You can't use older versions of Minecraft with Realms.
Say bye-bye to nostalgia.
8. Realms doesn't support command blocks. [CORRECTION, they didn't before... do now.]
They still probably won't tolerate command block abuse, however.
Ex. Infinite redstone loops to try and crash the hosting.
9. One world at a time. People can't be in different worlds at the same time. You all have to agree on a game mode, even though you can switch it periodically.
I see large fights between game modes. "I want creative!" "No, I want survival!"
Even though there are many upsides, there are downsides. Large downsides.
Not to mention this point by a random internet guy:
This seems to be a direct confrontation of words here...
"You are allowed to sell in-game items so long as they don’t affect gameplay
We don’t mind you selling items in game, but they must be purely cosmetic. Pets, hats, and particle effects are OK, but swords, invincibility potions, and man-eating pigs are not. We want all players to be presented with the same gameplay features, whether they decide to pay or not."
Because they are saying that they don't want you to sell them because it may cause a disadvantage. Yet if it's an item available to everyone, it wouldn't. I think they just need to really look over what they've said and really nitpick until it's specific, because as it stands it's confusing and constantly backtalks itself.
What their term for donation and what is the legally defined term for donation as well as items received or not received is two separate things. Donations, after all, only represent the will of the consumer, not the business (the server). If they plan on telling us who we can donate to and if the business can even give out free items to us at will, then it is protected for us. Think of it this way, if we donate and they give us things, they didn't have to in the first place, but they did. We are getting FREE ITEMS as a thanks for donating. They are FREE, we didn't purchase them. I donated not for the crap it comes with, which is obtainable in-game regardless, but because I liked the server. I personally would not have cared if they didn't deliver on the items, as they are FREE. There is no rule or statement in the EULA to say that they aren't allowed to just give us things, is there? Because that would be illegal on their part in a sense.
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That random internet guy has got a point.
And, to just put the cherry on the sundae:
http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/an-ind ... ye.310086/
http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/dmcad.28536/
http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/our-dmc ... nse.28772/
I'm hoping Microsoft will do something awesome with something that is already awesome.
How do you guys think Microsoft could screw up?
One of my friends said he feared they might officially stop updating the game but instead start offering DLCs wich you'd have to pay for.
How do you guys think Microsoft could screw up?
One of my friends said he feared they might officially stop updating the game but instead start offering DLCs wich you'd have to pay for.
.-.
I thought we were all done with this.
I thought we were all done with this.
Of course not. :3
It's time to see what Microsoft will do. Granted, we have a year or so to wait, but we can speculate and assume. Speculation and assumptions have never caused problems before. /sarcasm
It's time to see what Microsoft will do. Granted, we have a year or so to wait, but we can speculate and assume. Speculation and assumptions have never caused problems before. /sarcasm
commanderneivlleiNUKEYLUKEYiNuclearManxI read the EULA and I could not find anything regarding server donations?
You must be blind then (no offence meant, just stating how oblivious it is, as it is a big part of the thing)
EULA = Ruined/Is Ruining MC
I find it annoying how everyone is saying the EULA is ruining Minecraft; most who say this are either server "donators" or server owners.
Minecraft isn't just about giving money to get better stuff... By saying that the EULA has ruined the game who have really ignored what the game is really about.
There are other ways to fund a server other than through "donations" for items or classes.
Exactly this.
Anyway, how is shutting down larger servers who can't do good business hurting Minecraft anyway? If they can't find new ways to run their server, they'll have to find a way to keep it running. Or else they don't deserve it.
small, teamwork oriented, near-vanilla survival servers are where it's at
I read the EULA and I could not find anything regarding server donations?
There's nothinf directly regarding server donations, but it basically says "hey you can't directly make money off our in game items!"
You must be blind then (no offence meant, just stating how oblivious it is, as it is a big part of the thing)
EULA = Ruined/Is Ruining MC
EULA = Ruined/Is Ruining MC
I find it annoying how everyone is saying the EULA is ruining Minecraft; most who say this are either server "donators" or server owners.
Minecraft isn't just about giving money to get better stuff... By saying that the EULA has ruined the game who have really ignored what the game is really about.
There are other ways to fund a server other than through "donations" for items or classes.
Minecraft isn't just about giving money to get better stuff... By saying that the EULA has ruined the game who have really ignored what the game is really about.
There are other ways to fund a server other than through "donations" for items or classes.
1656 post to be exact.....wow
And 139 pages
And 139 pages
Clicked on this thread, sees it has 138 pages of posts... leaves thread.
Well that escalated quickly...
I agree....
Escalated a little quick
Escalated a little quick
SearchndstroyGoodIdea
Wolf released code under GPL which means the minecraft server from mojang must be provided. Mojang said no, so this breached the GPL license/invalidated it and enabled a DMCA.
I understand how Wolfe was able to DMCA craftbukkit.
Should probably edit your paragraph there, I found some grammar mistakes and one sentence that didn't make any sense. (Wolf released code under GPL which means the minecraft server from mojang must be provided)
Here are some tips so you can understand the situation:
Read why the staff left, they give full explanations
Learn the circumstances of what happened and see how they fit in.
Read the DMCA act claim by wolf.
If you want links I can give you them, although with so many Bukkit staff leaving I might miss a post or two.
My point:
STOP POINTING UR FAT FINGERS AT MOJANG, IT ISNT THEIR FAULT!
STOP POINTING UR FAT FINGERS AT MOJANG, IT ISNT THEIR FAULT!
Who's fault is it then?
Did Bukkit staff just decided to do a mass quit to go on a world tour? They were bored? They just wanted to end all server software for no reason?
I'd like to hear your views...
Did Bukkit staff just decided to do a mass quit to go on a world tour? They were bored? They just wanted to end all server software for no reason?
I'd like to hear your views...
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MIke1022AfootplutoMIke1022
How do you think they're going to distribute their work?
maybe fighting the claim?
They just said that won't.
"This decision is not one that has been made lightly, but is one which has been made based on a number of factors. Following extensive legal counsel and advice from our attorney we were presented with a number of options we could take, including issuing a series of DMCA counter notices which had been prepared. This morning an assembly of the extended Spigot team, including our forum moderators, developers and IRC staff took part in a vote to decide the appropriate course of action. I abstained from this vote, however the outcome was unanimous and we have decided not to issue this counter notice, and instead take down the allegedly infringing material. It is by taking these steps, we believe, that the Spigot project stands the best chance of continuing to operate long into the future."
SpigotWe will keep on developing and we will keep on fighting.
AfootplutoMIke1022
How do you think they're going to distribute their work?
maybe fighting the claim?
They just said that won't.
"This decision is not one that has been made lightly, but is one which has been made based on a number of factors. Following extensive legal counsel and advice from our attorney we were presented with a number of options we could take, including issuing a series of DMCA counter notices which had been prepared. This morning an assembly of the extended Spigot team, including our forum moderators, developers and IRC staff took part in a vote to decide the appropriate course of action. I abstained from this vote, however the outcome was unanimous and we have decided not to issue this counter notice, and instead take down the allegedly infringing material. It is by taking these steps, we believe, that the Spigot project stands the best chance of continuing to operate long into the future."
MIke1022
How do you think they're going to distribute their work?
maybe fighting the claim?
Read this?
http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/our-dmc ... nse.28772/
Did you even read it?
I wish to make clear this is not the end for Spigot. We will keep on developing and we will keep on fighting. It is only a short matter of time before things will be sorted out. The Minecraft server community has not come this far over this many years to be killed by a single blow from a disgruntled developer.[/quote]
How do you think they're going to distribute their work?
MIke1022AfootplutoMIke1022I believe that the end has come for Minecraft mass modded multiplayer. Bukkit and Spigot are both dead, neither are no longer open source because of a DMCA claim made by an enraged developer, neither have decided to fight the claims, the Bukkit Team no longer exists, and neither Bukkit nor Spigot are downloadable. If you don't believe me, check the websites for both projects.
There are few options.
One is to build up a project known as "Glowstone". It's a new server API platform, but very, very, incomplete.
Another is to wait for the official API, and see what happens.
Spigot is fighting the claims.
Read this?
http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/our-dmc ... nse.28772/
Did you even read it?
I wish to make clear this is not the end for Spigot. We will keep on developing and we will keep on fighting. It is only a short matter of time before things will be sorted out. The Minecraft server community has not come this far over this many years to be killed by a single blow from a disgruntled developer.
MIke1022AzieMIke1022I believe that the end has come for Minecraft mass modded multiplayer. Bukkit and Spigot are both dead, neither are no longer open source because of a DMCA claim made by an enraged developer...
Please don't spread misinformation.
http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/mojang ... ct.309715/
Read the posts after that. Who is going to keep it alive?
Maybe dinnerbone? He said he will make sure that it is updated to 1.8.
AfootplutoMIke1022I believe that the end has come for Minecraft mass modded multiplayer. Bukkit and Spigot are both dead, neither are no longer open source because of a DMCA claim made by an enraged developer, neither have decided to fight the claims, the Bukkit Team no longer exists, and neither Bukkit nor Spigot are downloadable. If you don't believe me, check the websites for both projects.
There are few options.
One is to build up a project known as "Glowstone". It's a new server API platform, but very, very, incomplete.
Another is to wait for the official API, and see what happens.
Spigot is fighting the claims.
Read this?
http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/our-dmc ... nse.28772/
AzieMIke1022I believe that the end has come for Minecraft mass modded multiplayer. Bukkit and Spigot are both dead, neither are no longer open source because of a DMCA claim made by an enraged developer...
Please don't spread misinformation.
http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/mojang ... ct.309715/
Read the posts after that. Who is going to keep it alive?
MIke1022I believe that the end has come for Minecraft mass modded multiplayer. Bukkit and Spigot are both dead, neither are no longer open source because of a DMCA claim made by an enraged developer...
Please don't spread misinformation.
http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/mojang ... ct.309715/
MIke1022I believe that the end has come for Minecraft mass modded multiplayer. Bukkit and Spigot are both dead, neither are no longer open source because of a DMCA claim made by an enraged developer, neither have decided to fight the claims, the Bukkit Team no longer exists, and neither Bukkit nor Spigot are downloadable. If you don't believe me, check the websites for both projects.
There are few options.
One is to build up a project known as "Glowstone". It's a new server API platform, but very, very, incomplete.
Another is to wait for the official API, and see what happens.
Spigot is fighting the claims.
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