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ShelLuserI've been on Minecraft since 2011 and I'm thinking about quitting because of the sour dead community.
This was my favorite game when I was younger, and it's dead.
I really miss the old Minecraft.
I'm pretty sure we can all relate.
Cringe intros and 7 year olds?
Oh pass.
This was my favorite game when I was younger, and it's dead.
I really miss the old Minecraft.
I'm pretty sure we can all relate.
Cringe intros and 7 year olds?
Oh pass.
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Late response, but oh well ;)
Another problem which I think is happening is that you could have been focused on only 1 part and/or server of the game, while there is much more out there. See, when I skim these forums (before applying filtering) then I sometimes also wonder what I ran into. A majority seems to be advertising for servers and staff, and only few messages are interesting (to me anyway). Minimum age of 12? ;)
But that doesn't mean there's no good stuff out there.
If you're on a server which is only filled with screaming kids then it might be time to find another server. There are still plenty of more mature servers out there, you just have to find one. In fact, I think that if you Google my name together with Minecraft you're bound to find the server I play on (I only play on one) and generally speaking you don't have much kiddiot stuff going on there. Of course the possible downside could be that it focuses itself entirely on vanilla'ish survival play, so hardly uses any mods. Most prefer mods such as mcMMO or land claiming and such.
And the same is here. Although a majority of messages seem to be about server & staff advertising there's also plenty around which does give an interesting challenge by asking a specific question.
I think the most important part here is that Minecraft is basically the kind of game as you make it out to be.
Another problem which I think is happening is that you could have been focused on only 1 part and/or server of the game, while there is much more out there. See, when I skim these forums (before applying filtering) then I sometimes also wonder what I ran into. A majority seems to be advertising for servers and staff, and only few messages are interesting (to me anyway). Minimum age of 12? ;)
But that doesn't mean there's no good stuff out there.
If you're on a server which is only filled with screaming kids then it might be time to find another server. There are still plenty of more mature servers out there, you just have to find one. In fact, I think that if you Google my name together with Minecraft you're bound to find the server I play on (I only play on one) and generally speaking you don't have much kiddiot stuff going on there. Of course the possible downside could be that it focuses itself entirely on vanilla'ish survival play, so hardly uses any mods. Most prefer mods such as mcMMO or land claiming and such.
And the same is here. Although a majority of messages seem to be about server & staff advertising there's also plenty around which does give an interesting challenge by asking a specific question.
I think the most important part here is that Minecraft is basically the kind of game as you make it out to be.
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I'm not gonna complain about the intros cuz I couldn't make any better ones.
The seven year olds are so horrible, not as bad as roblox though.
The seven year olds are so horrible, not as bad as roblox though.
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God, you idiots, Minecraft isn't dead. It still has a great community. You just don't look at good enough. All you say is about the servers, not Minecraft itself
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I periodically see people post things like this, and it's so wrong I absolutely cringe. The game is far from dead and continues to flourish, as evidenced by the popularity of many large servers. A well-managed server will quickly ban 7 year old trolls and anyone else who is a negative influence.
If you're looking for a more mature experience, I recommend you check out my server: defend.avalon.today
If you're looking for a more mature experience, I recommend you check out my server: defend.avalon.today
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Oh my goodness, where do I begin?
I used to like Minecraft when I was a young 14 year-old, and all I did was play multiplayer mode becoming staff on multiple small servers. Now that I am 17 years old and became wiser, I realized that the community of Minecraft started to suck. Microsoft is desperate to drain money from those that are still playing and everybody who ditched Minecraft and went over to the nicer community of PMC started to realize this. Old Minecraft was wonderful while it lasted. It had a nice community and great intentions with the emphasis on creativity, but now it's a corporate shell of it's former self. It wasn't about the creepers you fought or if you survived the night at all. It was about the buildings you made and the friendships you created. I still remember a lot of people I made friends with on Minecraft, and I'm continuing to make more on here. Rest in peace, Minecraft. Rest in gosh darn peace indeed.
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| RIP Minecraft. |
| 2011-2016. |
| You had one job, |
| you corporate clods.|
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I used to like Minecraft when I was a young 14 year-old, and all I did was play multiplayer mode becoming staff on multiple small servers. Now that I am 17 years old and became wiser, I realized that the community of Minecraft started to suck. Microsoft is desperate to drain money from those that are still playing and everybody who ditched Minecraft and went over to the nicer community of PMC started to realize this. Old Minecraft was wonderful while it lasted. It had a nice community and great intentions with the emphasis on creativity, but now it's a corporate shell of it's former self. It wasn't about the creepers you fought or if you survived the night at all. It was about the buildings you made and the friendships you created. I still remember a lot of people I made friends with on Minecraft, and I'm continuing to make more on here. Rest in peace, Minecraft. Rest in gosh darn peace indeed.
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| RIP Minecraft. |
| 2011-2016. |
| You had one job, |
| you corporate clods.|
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Yeah your right....been playing this game for a year and day by day its becoming boring without anyone to play with....its the same old routine....build a house in survival mode...craft....kill the ender dragon...The End.
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I couldn't agree with you more. The community is plagued with little kids that think they're acting cool by breaking the rules, using inappropriate language, etc.. I miss the old Minecraft where I could play freely without a 7 year old provoking me or other people constantly. Microsoft buying Minecraft didn't help either, but that's an entirely different argument.
#BringMinecraftBack
#BringMinecraftBack
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wyvern is right, servers die. people stop playing. i played on us.dvz.mc or something like that, now the connection doesn't exist, my link in the server list and free vip for 1000 votes were gone. later i found lihp owned by phil, it still exists but no one plays it...
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It's genuinely growing up.
I used to play on a specific server with specfiic people and it was my favorite thing to do and played that server over games like CSGO and Overwatch, but eventually the server shutdown and I returned to playing other games. Few years later I got news that the server is reopening and it was going to be better than ever. Sure enough, it was, and all my old mates were there, but doing the things I used to do when I was younger no longer gave me that pleasure I used to get out of it, it's just growing up.
I used to play on a specific server with specfiic people and it was my favorite thing to do and played that server over games like CSGO and Overwatch, but eventually the server shutdown and I returned to playing other games. Few years later I got news that the server is reopening and it was going to be better than ever. Sure enough, it was, and all my old mates were there, but doing the things I used to do when I was younger no longer gave me that pleasure I used to get out of it, it's just growing up.
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I think there are several reasons for this.
1. Introduction of Minecraft on many more platforms - this has basically meant that most of the new sales are on console and therefore the bedrock edition, less people come through into the java community
2. Enforcement of the EULA for servers - Servers like myself who have been around for 6 years struggle to pay the bills. This means that nobody opens up new servers and therefore nobody invests in development for new gamemodes and ideas which the YouTubers would use for new content. Essentially because of how hard it is to run a successful EULA compliant server without thousands of players online very few new ones start.
Years ago loads would create their own server and community constantly bringing in new ideas and competition. These days most of the larger servers are all owned by the same people and therefore, there is very limited competition for new ideas.
3. Boring updates - Not much interesting has been added to the game in a very long time. The aqua update looks like the first major update that has a serious content addition. The development rate seriously slowed down to the extent that apart from the last couple of updates there was a period were there was only one major update a year.
1. Introduction of Minecraft on many more platforms - this has basically meant that most of the new sales are on console and therefore the bedrock edition, less people come through into the java community
2. Enforcement of the EULA for servers - Servers like myself who have been around for 6 years struggle to pay the bills. This means that nobody opens up new servers and therefore nobody invests in development for new gamemodes and ideas which the YouTubers would use for new content. Essentially because of how hard it is to run a successful EULA compliant server without thousands of players online very few new ones start.
Years ago loads would create their own server and community constantly bringing in new ideas and competition. These days most of the larger servers are all owned by the same people and therefore, there is very limited competition for new ideas.
3. Boring updates - Not much interesting has been added to the game in a very long time. The aqua update looks like the first major update that has a serious content addition. The development rate seriously slowed down to the extent that apart from the last couple of updates there was a period were there was only one major update a year.
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People open up new servers all the time - the problem to me is that the servers are lazy 'efforts' that use free hosts or lack effort and investment. Not everyone can pay for a server, and that's perfectly OK. Still, people that can't pay for a server open them all the time (you see the server forum on PMC? :p).
EULA restricts the sale of mojang-implemented gameplay features. That leaves you plenty of ground in cosmetics and more creative donation rewards, it just means the quick and dirty "donate for fly and GMC!" is 'harder' to do. I say 'harder' because that's assuming that the enforcement is universal and successful. It's anything but; there are plenty servers going around that are still trying to sell GM, OP, etc. Granted, they die rather quickly, but still :p
EULA restricts the sale of mojang-implemented gameplay features. That leaves you plenty of ground in cosmetics and more creative donation rewards, it just means the quick and dirty "donate for fly and GMC!" is 'harder' to do. I say 'harder' because that's assuming that the enforcement is universal and successful. It's anything but; there are plenty servers going around that are still trying to sell GM, OP, etc. Granted, they die rather quickly, but still :p
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The EULA does not restrict the sale of Mojang-implemented gameplay features at all. The enforcement is not universal or successful and recently they have even been adding non-eula compliant servers to the bedrock edition.
It is possible to fund a server while being EULA compliant but not possible to make it successful enough to allow for further development in new gamemodes and features unless you are a large American one with several thousand players.
It is possible to fund a server while being EULA compliant but not possible to make it successful enough to allow for further development in new gamemodes and features unless you are a large American one with several thousand players.
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Essentially the simple rule is do not make commercial use of anything we've made unless we've specifically said it's okay.
Perhaps I didn't use the specific terminology, but the gist to me remains the same - you can't sell bits of the base game according to the EULA.
If the enforcement is not universal (which I agree with, the uproar was basically unfounded as it didn't do squat to the general MC community as far as I can see) then the original reply's note of EULA enforcement being an issue is even less likely to be a problem.
More to the point, I'd disagree that it is 'not possible' to make an EULA compliant successful server that develops new modes and features. Does it take more thought, sure, but it is possible to be EULA compliant and have a server that survives without chopping common gameplay features out and selling them for money in a pay to win/pay to get features found on other servers way. That is my personal thought on the matter, which may or may not be relevant to the subject.
Perhaps I didn't use the specific terminology, but the gist to me remains the same - you can't sell bits of the base game according to the EULA.
If the enforcement is not universal (which I agree with, the uproar was basically unfounded as it didn't do squat to the general MC community as far as I can see) then the original reply's note of EULA enforcement being an issue is even less likely to be a problem.
More to the point, I'd disagree that it is 'not possible' to make an EULA compliant successful server that develops new modes and features. Does it take more thought, sure, but it is possible to be EULA compliant and have a server that survives without chopping common gameplay features out and selling them for money in a pay to win/pay to get features found on other servers way. That is my personal thought on the matter, which may or may not be relevant to the subject.
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You're growing up, man. That's the biggest part of it. You were younger then and things seemed simpler to you, you connected with the game more because it didn't have as much to it. The elements that were around at the time you began were what you latched onto, and each new addition became harder and harder to accept as it deviated from what you first latched onto. It's what most of us have been through, and we've all chosen to either accept these new elements as they arrive or retreat back to our "good ol' days". I don't see why the community, or at least the very narrow outlook that this site/most servers that are easily accessible provides, should have much in the way of bearing on your enjoyment of the game. It's not the cringe intros and 7 year olds (geez louise the youtube adverts in this thread), it's you. You're the only thing stopping you from enjoying this game, and that's just a part of growing up. You can choose to accept the changes that have been made and form new memories with the game, or you can leave it in the past and enjoy those memories for what they were. But I don't think everyone can relate, and we shouldn't relate. Everyone has their own connections with the game, and everyone is in their own stage of life with the game.
So be thankful for the memories you've had, and weigh your options carefully. You can come back if you like.
So be thankful for the memories you've had, and weigh your options carefully. You can come back if you like.
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I agree with Chron, as time goes on you remember how things used to be in "vanilla" minecraft. All I can say is try to accept everything and if the game dies, than it'd be wise to say all good things come to an end sometime in life.
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I think the fact that there are starting to be more server's then players may have something to do with it hahah.
Definitely missing back when PMC way wayyy more active though!
Definitely missing back when PMC way wayyy more active though!
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Some of those seven year old kids may become great youtubers, however minecraft is dying, but thats what games do to be brutally honest, however it's far from dead.
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The simple truth is minecraft is dying, less people are playing because their are newer games out their (I myself have pretty much completely switched from minecraft to garry's mod and terraria).
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Minecraft is still selling, and the console platforms are growing. Java PC, yes, that's dying a bit, but minecraft as a whole is still fairly solid.
Also, minecraft is not much older than Terraria, especially the release version.
Also, minecraft is not much older than Terraria, especially the release version.
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I don't think the community's that bad, especially here on PMC there seems to be a great community. But one negative aspect of it is how enraged people get over small things/changes. Example: The java edition name change. At least half of the community seemed ready to riot over a simple name change, all because some speculated that Microsoft was going to end Java Edition.
Then there's also the 1.9 update, where you have some people still upset about it. I haven't seen it much on PMC, but I know on MCForum's there was a post in the suggestions area asking for Mojang to remove the 1.9 combat changes. I don't get how after so much time some people still can't accept the changes.
Then there's also the 1.9 update, where you have some people still upset about it. I haven't seen it much on PMC, but I know on MCForum's there was a post in the suggestions area asking for Mojang to remove the 1.9 combat changes. I don't get how after so much time some people still can't accept the changes.
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I see many more people basically saying along the lines of people simply not liking changes and needing to move on better. For us it is really a question of if these updates still provide good minecraft.
For me, these updates along with where servers are going don't provide the mystery, simplicity and flexibility that minecraft has for such a long time. If you try fighting in 1.9 practically, it's kind of weird, not as tactical and you can't do as good strategic moves as there were in 1.8 with the combat delay. In 1.11 an axe is now basically a requirement to fight your enemy unless they don't have a shield (before it was supposed to be a still generally worse yet alternative style to the sword), and in several of these updates they added things that either don't fit or make this more of a collect and explore game like Terraria.
For me, these updates along with where servers are going don't provide the mystery, simplicity and flexibility that minecraft has for such a long time. If you try fighting in 1.9 practically, it's kind of weird, not as tactical and you can't do as good strategic moves as there were in 1.8 with the combat delay. In 1.11 an axe is now basically a requirement to fight your enemy unless they don't have a shield (before it was supposed to be a still generally worse yet alternative style to the sword), and in several of these updates they added things that either don't fit or make this more of a collect and explore game like Terraria.
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I wouldn't call 1.8 and before PVP 'tactical' when part of it depended on maximizing clicks per second, which made certain cheats almost undetectable as compared to pvp cheating being far more difficult to hide and easier to detect in newer versions.
I'm also not sure how flexibility was hurt, considering you can do just about the same things as older versions, plus more functions (which could hurt simplicity, not that it matters much to me as a builder).
I'm also not sure how flexibility was hurt, considering you can do just about the same things as older versions, plus more functions (which could hurt simplicity, not that it matters much to me as a builder).
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It's not as easy to strafe, combo, w-tap or do those sorts of skilled/tactical maneuvers when you are supposed to click slower and fighting at full speed will take more than half as long to beat someone. I am sure there will be hacks that come out that are more optimized for 1.9 and 1.11 combat. And as I said, axes are now a requirement to fight someone with a shield which is a big issue.
Flexibility has been hurt because it's not as much about a simple and flexible game and now more focused on collecting and exploring, and now the players who have rushed to end-game can be even more powerful on servers. 1.9 could have made this another update that united players by fixing common multiplayer issues and doing the combat update in a way that still added new things, but didn't completely change it and make the old ways not very useful anymore.
Flexibility has been hurt because it's not as much about a simple and flexible game and now more focused on collecting and exploring, and now the players who have rushed to end-game can be even more powerful on servers. 1.9 could have made this another update that united players by fixing common multiplayer issues and doing the combat update in a way that still added new things, but didn't completely change it and make the old ways not very useful anymore.
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"Not as easy" is a matter of adapting, and really - if you're concerned about servers, note that there are plugins that exist to re-add 1.8x pvp. The game can be played as simply as you want to. The only thing that has really been 'removed' by the new updates is the old pvp system, and even then, it's not difficult for a server to change that.
Endgame on servers can be customized, it's a matter of actually planning out the server design from the start. There's plenty of opportunities to manipulate the endgame on servers, if that is the issue - people just need to do it. At the very least, 1.8 pvp is as simple as a free download.
Endgame on servers can be customized, it's a matter of actually planning out the server design from the start. There's plenty of opportunities to manipulate the endgame on servers, if that is the issue - people just need to do it. At the very least, 1.8 pvp is as simple as a free download.
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It's probably because Microsoft bought Minecraft
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Please, don't insult 7 year olds. On my channel, I made my first video when I was 7. Now, I have 10000 subscribers. I miss the old minecraft too, but all the new things being added make both servers and PMC grow. I just wish that there were more mature players. The less mature players occasionally download hacks, which causes everyone to have less fun. Which causes all the mature players to quit the game, causing the community to die. I still play, but I mostly continue because half my friends play too, and building with them on my friend's realm is the best.
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Well, I think it depends on what aspect of the game you're from. I myself a builder, is enjoying the game more than ever!
With cheap Realm servers to build custom coded mini-games with my friends.
The 1.12 update and all the brand new colours which has opened up brand new building styles without having to use resourcepacks!
ON TOP OF the better together update for PE / Windows10 / PS / and XBox eiditons!
And don't get me started on how great it is to hear that Minecraft Edjucation Edition is finally getting a release in the US of A! :D
While yes the YouTube side of Minecraft is... Cringy, just about anything else really isn't to me.
With cheap Realm servers to build custom coded mini-games with my friends.
The 1.12 update and all the brand new colours which has opened up brand new building styles without having to use resourcepacks!
ON TOP OF the better together update for PE / Windows10 / PS / and XBox eiditons!
And don't get me started on how great it is to hear that Minecraft Edjucation Edition is finally getting a release in the US of A! :D
While yes the YouTube side of Minecraft is... Cringy, just about anything else really isn't to me.
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The most logical people to blame would be big YouTubers who have a generally young fanbase (such as DanTDM, Markiplier and jacksepticeye) and corporate America, who have endlessly advertised Minecraft to not-so-savory people and children (and no, socialism isn't the solution to this).
Because of this, many kids who don't fully understand the Internet have polluted the community and made fools of themselves on servers and the web trying to justify themselves as "cool", when in reality they use stereotypical insults towards those who beat them in online matches of various types of games. It's not dissimilar to Chris-Chan, who used the Internet to try and make himself look smooth, when in reality, he came off as a mentally stunted man-child who has a deflated ego.
Because of this, many kids who don't fully understand the Internet have polluted the community and made fools of themselves on servers and the web trying to justify themselves as "cool", when in reality they use stereotypical insults towards those who beat them in online matches of various types of games. It's not dissimilar to Chris-Chan, who used the Internet to try and make himself look smooth, when in reality, he came off as a mentally stunted man-child who has a deflated ego.
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I understand it is irritating listening to cringy seven year olds, so come watch my channel I am 15! Plus I hope it isn't as cringey XD
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVfVS_KcFQUc1w_dnjf8zgw
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVfVS_KcFQUc1w_dnjf8zgw
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Humanity has involved. Gaming have upgraded. Minecraft went downgraded
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I found minecraft online a bit more relatable years ago, but really, my best experiences were offline building things. That said, the community is still quite alive.
Unless you completely missed the servers forum and all statistics indicating that minecraft is still selling, and selling well. It may not be 'your' minecraft, but it's very much still alive. Not as alive on PC as it used to be, but console says hello.
Unless you completely missed the servers forum and all statistics indicating that minecraft is still selling, and selling well. It may not be 'your' minecraft, but it's very much still alive. Not as alive on PC as it used to be, but console says hello.
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Minecraft is bigger than ever, and it's continously growing. Well, minecraft has been running for so long, that a generation has already left it. This being said, you're now being welcomed to the new generation of (sadly) cringy 7 years olds...
Oh well. Minecraft is better now, though. The community not so much; however you can still find a very good portion of it with good people.
Oh well. Minecraft is better now, though. The community not so much; however you can still find a very good portion of it with good people.
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Well Minecraft is not dying only because most people are moving from pc community to console and android/IOS ones and everything is growing in these communities while pc community is slowly moving down in popularrity.
