Ok well, I was thinking of building a computer and I need some help! I am not good with computer parts so I need some help with what parts I should get and what parts I need.
I was thinking of a computer for the price of 1-2k, using a Intel i7 processor.
I was thinking of a computer for the price of 1-2k, using a Intel i7 processor.
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Before you purchase a i5 or an i7, make sure you understand the difference. The main and most important difference is hyperthreading.
Hyperthreading is where each core of the processor can be used by two things at once. For instance, if at one time the adder on the CPU is being used, the memory access function might be able to be used at the same time since the memory access part of the CPU is not being used. However, two things cannot both use the adder at the same time, so unless the program was made for hyperthreading, it will not be quite as efficient as another core.
Also, do not spend money on a model with "K" in the name unless you plan to overclock. They are unlocked, which means you are able to overclock. 100 MHz difference between the i7 3770 and the i7 3770K isn't worth the extra $30 unless you plan to overclock the unlocked version.
Hyperthreading is where each core of the processor can be used by two things at once. For instance, if at one time the adder on the CPU is being used, the memory access function might be able to be used at the same time since the memory access part of the CPU is not being used. However, two things cannot both use the adder at the same time, so unless the program was made for hyperthreading, it will not be quite as efficient as another core.
Also, do not spend money on a model with "K" in the name unless you plan to overclock. They are unlocked, which means you are able to overclock. 100 MHz difference between the i7 3770 and the i7 3770K isn't worth the extra $30 unless you plan to overclock the unlocked version.
TheShadbusher
Oh wow, where'd you get those prices? Microcenter's prices on the processors are much lower -- I'm talking $279.99 for the 4770K and $249.99 for the 3770K.
That's true, but I believe Microcenter's prices are in-store pick up only.
I'm assuming that the OP doesn't have access to a Microcenter. The prices I gave are from Newegg.
runesmite14There's a 15 dollar difference between the two ($324.99/$339.99). It goes back to the 3rd Generation/4th Generation I had mentioned earlier. The 4th Generation, or Haswell, chips, offer increased performance and power consumption over their 3rd Generation counterparts.
And although you won't be using them, most likely, a jump from the Intel HD 4000 graphics to HD 4600 graphics, which are impressive graphics for a non-discrete (integrated) gpu.
My opinion, and from what I've read, most others will share it. If you're building a new build, go ahead and get the Haswell, it's well worth 15 bucks.
The only reason I'd stay with the "old" 3rd Gen is if you already had a motherboard that supported it.
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Oh wow, where'd you get those prices? Microcenter's prices on the processors are much lower -- I'm talking $279.99 for the 4770K and $249.99 for the 3770K.
treeo72ok, so 3rd gen is almost at par with 4th gen but is less expensive, what do 4th gen processors do that 3rd gen dont?
The 4th gen processors have some performance increases and better integrated graphics, but you'll be better off with a 3rd gen because the performance difference isn't all that huge and you're not gonna be using the integrated graphics.
There's a 15 dollar difference between the two ($324.99/$339.99). It goes back to the 3rd Generation/4th Generation I had mentioned earlier. The 4th Generation, or Haswell, chips, offer increased performance and power consumption over their 3rd Generation counterparts.
And although you won't be using them, most likely, a jump from the Intel HD 4000 graphics to HD 4600 graphics, which are impressive graphics for a non-discrete (integrated) gpu.
My opinion, and from what I've read, most others will share it. If you're building a new build, go ahead and get the Haswell, it's well worth 15 bucks.
The only reason I'd stay with the "old" 3rd Gen is if you already had a motherboard that supported it.
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You asked what 4th gen gives over 3rd:
And although you won't be using them, most likely, a jump from the Intel HD 4000 graphics to HD 4600 graphics, which are impressive graphics for a non-discrete (integrated) gpu.
My opinion, and from what I've read, most others will share it. If you're building a new build, go ahead and get the Haswell, it's well worth 15 bucks.
The only reason I'd stay with the "old" 3rd Gen is if you already had a motherboard that supported it.
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You asked what 4th gen gives over 3rd:
- Lower power consumption (More juice for GPU, better overclocking, etc)
- Higher Operating temperatures (You can push it further without it burning up)
- Bragging Rights
TheShadbushertreeo72TheShadbusherAn i5 is great for gaming, but an i7 will make video render times very fast as well as game well. For instance, on the 3770K and 4770K, you'll be able to render 1080p video in a few minutes.
Do you know the price difference by any chance?
The best 3rd gen i7 is $60 more than the best 3rd gen i5, and the best 4th gen i7 is $80 more than the best 4th gen i5.
I'd recommend getting a 3rd gen processor because they'll perform almost just as well and the 4th gen ones are still very expensive.
ok, so 3rd gen is almost at par with 4th gen but is less expensive, what do 4th gen processors do that 3rd gen dont?
treeo72TheShadbusherAn i5 is great for gaming, but an i7 will make video render times very fast as well as game well. For instance, on the 3770K and 4770K, you'll be able to render 1080p video in a few minutes.
Do you know the price difference by any chance?
The best 3rd gen i7 is $60 more than the best 3rd gen i5, and the best 4th gen i7 is $80 more than the best 4th gen i5.
I'd recommend getting a 3rd gen processor because they'll perform almost just as well and the 4th gen ones are still very expensive.
TheShadbusherAn i5 is great for gaming, but an i7 will make video render times very fast as well as game well. For instance, on the 3770K and 4770K, you'll be able to render 1080p video in a few minutes.
Do you know the price difference by any chance?
An i5 is great for gaming, but an i7 will make video render times very fast as well as game well. For instance, with the 3770K or 4770K, you'll be able to render about a half hour of 1080p video in a few minutes.
(As opposed to a few HOURS on this Pentium D I'm using )
(As opposed to a few HOURS on this Pentium D I'm using )
treeo72"i5 processor would suite you" So does that mean i5 would be able to make some quick renders when video editing and a decent amount of fps? how about playing a game and recording?
If the other components are of high quality, yes.
Supernova666I'll be honest with you, you will find a lot of people who 'know loads about hardware/computers'.bens1226
If you can, get 4 i7s, also get a 64bit PC
That there is completely wrong. Whilst you can in theory have multiple hard dives, your power supply, amongst other components will need to be up to scratch. You will never need four i7's. 1 is plenty, not all PC cases can support multiple hard drives. 64bit is not something you just get, it is to do with the operating system.
From what you have said, an i5 processor would suite you. Nvidia graphics cards are a safe bet, if you have any concerns on graphics cards.
Your best bet is to go to a store and ask for help, either that, or ask on a PC specialist site. This site is fantastic. I
brought my PC from there and have had no issues with it.
Also, I have moved this to General help, please only bump topics once every 24 hours.
"i5 processor would suite you" So does that mean i5 would be able to make some quick renders when video editting and a decent amount of fps? how about playing a game and recording?
Supernova666I'll be honest with you, you will find a lot of people who 'know loads about hardware/computers'.bens1226
If you can, get 4 i7s, also get a 64bit PC
That there is completely wrong. Whilst you can in theory have multiple hard dives, your power supply, amongst other components will need to be up to scratch. You will never need four i7's. 1 is plenty, not all PC cases can support multiple hard drives. 64bit is not something you just get, it is to do with the operating system.
From what you have said, an i5 processor would suite you. Nvidia graphics cards are a safe bet, if you have any concerns on graphics cards.
Your best bet is to go to a store and ask for help, either that, or ask on a PC specialist site. This site is fantastic. I brought my PC from there and have had no issues with it.
Also, I have moved this to General help, please only bump topics once every 24 hours.
Just a quick correction to your correction.
As for 64 bit computers, both the operating system and the CPU must support it. It isn't something you think about nowadays because almost all modern CPUs support 64 bit architecture.
Supernova666I'll be honest with you, you will find a lot of people who 'know loads about hardware/computers'.bens1226
If you can, get 4 i7s, also get a 64bit PC
That there is completely wrong. Whilst you can in theory have multiple hard dives, your power supply, amongst other components will need to be up to scratch. You will never need four i7's. 1 is plenty, not all PC cases can support multiple hard drives. 64bit is not something you just get, it is to do with the operating system.
From what you have said, an i5 processor would suite you. Nvidia graphics cards are a safe bet, if you have any concerns on graphics cards.
Your best bet is to go to a store and ask for help, either that, or ask on a PC specialist site. This site is fantastic. I brought my PC from there and have had no issues with it.
Also, I have moved this to General help, please only bump topics once every 24 hours.
oh, I thought I only bumped it once, if i did it more than once, sorry!
If you're doing video editing/recording of any sort, you're gonna want an i7. An i5 will do what you want, but it'll be significantly slower. I'd recommend the 3770K or 4770K.
Here's a $1400 build I put together with the help of a Windows 7 forum:
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/TheShadbusher/saved/2eSM
It's got great specs, and for $1398, it fits right in your budget.
The power supply is a little small, but it'll suit the needs of the computer unless you start adding a bunch of stuff.
Here's a $1400 build I put together with the help of a Windows 7 forum:
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/TheShadbusher/saved/2eSM
It's got great specs, and for $1398, it fits right in your budget.
The power supply is a little small, but it'll suit the needs of the computer unless you start adding a bunch of stuff.
Randomness3333
This should meet your needs if not being overkill.
Agreed, The HD 7970 is an excellent Video Card. And, if you're still looking to burn a hole in your wallet, the PSU does leave room for you to do AMD's equivalent of SLI: Crossifre, so you can run two (or more) of them, if you feel the need to.
Also, with these cards, I'd make sure you get a full size case, if this is your first build, you don't want to be trying fit these mile and a half (exaggeration ) long cards into a micro-tower.
The only thing I would change, is since it is a new build, why not get the i5-4670k (Newest One) Processor, seeing as it's a little faster, for the same price with Newegg's rebate. Keep in mind, that will mean you'll need a different MOBO, but everything else will work fine.
^ This guy knows his stuff. Listen to him. I would still advise seeking help from a local stores help desk as they will be able to give you definitive answers for your questions and help you more than someone can over the internet.
If I may give some input after reading (and agreeing) with what Supernova just laid out there.
You mentioned you're getting an i7. That's all well and good, but that's just the surface, really. Is this computer for gaming, and strictly gaming? If that's the case, you may find it more advantageous and wallet friendly to go with an i5 processor, as (most) games only use a single core to run anyway. The next, and important thing is this. What generation processor do you plan on getting? A 3rd generation? That will save you some cost on the MOBO (motherboard), or a 4th generation Haswell, that will give you the latest and greatest technology, plus massive overclocking ability if you grab an unlocked processor.
**If you are going to overclock, I recommend getting an excellent cooler, a Corsair H80i is a good one.
That should be a little help to you, as far as processors go, think of it this way. Strictly gaming - go i5, nothing to gain with an i7 (unless 4 fps is REALLY worth the extra cash)
Adding video editing - go i7, the hyper threading will help greatly.
The next thing you want to look at is your motherboard. With your budget, I would look into getting a board that is SLI capable. You've got all the "Grab a titan!" talk, and yes, you could with your budget, but you could also 2-way SLI (run two video cards) some GTX 660s or 670s for not much more and massive gaming potential. The titan is good, but it's more for running multiple monitors and heavy video software loads then actual gaming.
For your storage, you could easily fit a SSD into your build with your budget, You could also combo SSD for your games, and a HDD for music, files etc. If you go strictly HDD, look for one with a 7200 rpm or higher speed, and a 64mb cache. Seagate makes a very budget friendly barracuda version.
Another crucial part to look into is your power supply. If you're going to take all my recommendations, or think you may expand to multiple cards in the future, you're going to want to get a power supply that's trustworthy, and capable of producing enough wattage. There is also Modular and non-modular, a modular PSU means you can choose what cables you need, which helps for tidying up and air flow within your case.
I recommend an OCZ Fatal1ty 750w as it is semi-modular and is SLI proven, so it will run your two cards easy.
As far as your DVD/CD drive, you can't really go wrong their, as really nowadays, it's probably only going to be used to load your OS and maybe a few other programs, as most will be downloaded.
You mentioned you're getting an i7. That's all well and good, but that's just the surface, really. Is this computer for gaming, and strictly gaming? If that's the case, you may find it more advantageous and wallet friendly to go with an i5 processor, as (most) games only use a single core to run anyway. The next, and important thing is this. What generation processor do you plan on getting? A 3rd generation? That will save you some cost on the MOBO (motherboard), or a 4th generation Haswell, that will give you the latest and greatest technology, plus massive overclocking ability if you grab an unlocked processor.
**If you are going to overclock, I recommend getting an excellent cooler, a Corsair H80i is a good one.
That should be a little help to you, as far as processors go, think of it this way. Strictly gaming - go i5, nothing to gain with an i7 (unless 4 fps is REALLY worth the extra cash)
Adding video editing - go i7, the hyper threading will help greatly.
The next thing you want to look at is your motherboard. With your budget, I would look into getting a board that is SLI capable. You've got all the "Grab a titan!" talk, and yes, you could with your budget, but you could also 2-way SLI (run two video cards) some GTX 660s or 670s for not much more and massive gaming potential. The titan is good, but it's more for running multiple monitors and heavy video software loads then actual gaming.
For your storage, you could easily fit a SSD into your build with your budget, You could also combo SSD for your games, and a HDD for music, files etc. If you go strictly HDD, look for one with a 7200 rpm or higher speed, and a 64mb cache. Seagate makes a very budget friendly barracuda version.
Another crucial part to look into is your power supply. If you're going to take all my recommendations, or think you may expand to multiple cards in the future, you're going to want to get a power supply that's trustworthy, and capable of producing enough wattage. There is also Modular and non-modular, a modular PSU means you can choose what cables you need, which helps for tidying up and air flow within your case.
I recommend an OCZ Fatal1ty 750w as it is semi-modular and is SLI proven, so it will run your two cards easy.
As far as your DVD/CD drive, you can't really go wrong their, as really nowadays, it's probably only going to be used to load your OS and maybe a few other programs, as most will be downloaded.
W-Wow......that was VERY helpful! Thanks!
I'll be honest with you, you will find a lot of people who 'know loads about hardware/computers'.
That there is completely wrong. Whilst you can in theory have multiple hard dives, your power supply, amongst other components will need to be up to scratch. You will never need four i7's. 1 is plenty, not all PC cases can support multiple hard drives. 64bit is not something you just get, it is to do with the operating system.
From what you have said, an i5 processor would suite you. Nvidia graphics cards are a safe bet, if you have any concerns on graphics cards.
Your best bet is to go to a store and ask for help, either that, or ask on a PC specialist site. This site is fantastic. I brought my PC from there and have had no issues with it.
Also, I have moved this to General help, please only bump topics once every 24 hours.
bens1226
If you can, get 4 i7s, also get a 64bit PC
That there is completely wrong. Whilst you can in theory have multiple hard dives, your power supply, amongst other components will need to be up to scratch. You will never need four i7's. 1 is plenty, not all PC cases can support multiple hard drives. 64bit is not something you just get, it is to do with the operating system.
From what you have said, an i5 processor would suite you. Nvidia graphics cards are a safe bet, if you have any concerns on graphics cards.
Your best bet is to go to a store and ask for help, either that, or ask on a PC specialist site. This site is fantastic. I brought my PC from there and have had no issues with it.
Also, I have moved this to General help, please only bump topics once every 24 hours.
Im guessing Minecraft :p
What games are you going to be playing?
Minecraft with shaders/ Crisis/ Skyrim/ GTA 5
This should meet your needs if not being overkill.
Beautiful. Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Beautiful. Couldn't have put it better myself.
i'm gonna try a EVGA Geforce GTX Titan i'll tell you how good it is but i've used Nvidia Geforce GTX 780's in the past there good they have Titan DNA and there only $600 dollars but if you really want to be able to do like SUPER DUPER GRAPHICS game i would try titan but a titan is 1K and i use 16GB of G.Skill Ram
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DiskDrive : Pick any, they all do the same thing XD
If you can, get 4 i7s, also get a 64bit PC
Here's an affordable hard drive : http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/comp ... 0efrx.html
If you can, get 4 i7s, also get a 64bit PC
Here's an affordable hard drive : http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/comp ... 0efrx.html
Why 4 i7s ?
I would recomend an Acer motherboard, I have one and it works like a dream,
Graphics card: NVIDA
Hard drive, If it's gaming, 2TB reccomended if it's like just a allround, I'd go with 1.5tb
Graphics card: NVIDA
Hard drive, If it's gaming, 2TB reccomended if it's like just a allround, I'd go with 1.5tb
What NVIDA Grapics card?
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Exactly.
Are you doing heavy video editing, encoding or CAD?
Well, I'll probably will be gaming and video editting sometimes, not heavy video editting though.
do you even know how to put together the parts?, if you dont, you would be better off buying a computer from a store. cause you dont want to buy computer parts and not knowing anything about how to build it, you could damage parts or break them.
I got some help on putting the parts together, I just need to pick them out.
are you building a gaming computer? make sure to include that in the main question. also you of course need a computer tower case, buy one of em, then you need a motherboard, a hard drive, a graphics card, and a dvd burner to for cd's, and a operating system(i perfer windows 8)and other stuff, cant remember what else u need to build a pc .
