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    The Forum post by OrderOutOfChaos's Avatar OrderOutOfChaos
    March 18, 2023, 3:35 pm to Public
    This isn’t working. Time to make a discord server, so we can moderate ourselves.
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    EccentricEremite replied to Palaeos's comment below 2023-03-18 20:09:15
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    I am on nobody's side here and I don't know what this dispute is about, so I am talking to both Palaeos and OrderOutOfChaos as a third party without any background knowledge, but I just thought I might as well interject with this:

    Freedom without boundaries is dangerous, but so is a caged animal.

    If it comes to a point of personally attacking people for what they believe, then by all means it needs to stop. But if it is simple disagreements, then let it stay. Otherwise, we are mere clones and automatons; humans weren't meant to be automatons. They are made to be free, and we are given the choice of using that freedom well. It is no good saying "oh no, you said something that can be interpreted as offensive; off to the cancel-cell with you!" People are going to say things that people aren't going to agree with, and it has always been that way since the Fall of Eden (up to you whether to take that literally).
    But back to the first side, we need to use our freedom to build up, not tear down. And if people are using said freedom to hurt, harass, and antagonize others, then there does need to be discipline. So use your freedom wisely and not to harm. And if you decide to break those boundaries out of pure spite or hatred, then of course there are going to be consequences! A good shepherd fights the wolves! And I understand; it is a difficult line to cross, between being honest about what you believe and attacking someone else's beliefs.

    I don't care if either of you hate me for both defending and offending your respective stances on this, and I really do apologize if it seems like I'm butting my head in places I shouldn't and talking about things that I don't actually understand, but I feel like that the people involved in controversy need to understand that there are always more than two options;
    It is very, very rarely ever just "us or them!"
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