yeah cheers for the feedback mybee ill jus try goin back to the drawing board starting over lol. least it works for the household now. might ave a break an come back to it ive been at it 3 days now solid lol. problem with hamachi can only have 5 ppl playing at once and there are 6 of us who play just in my house the reason i started looking in to port forwarding.ill do sum digging find out were i may have gone wrong. my router is a virgin media super hub if thats of any extra info.cheers for ur answers anyhow back to the net for sum more research lol