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    GrayGhost
    02/13/2014 9:46 pm
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    Well guys, you have made this somewhat tough on me. Nobody really dominated in all areas. The good news is that we have a lot of great ideas, and despite whoever wins, I hope you will all stick around. We might be able to implement parts of everyone's ideas, and come up with a stronger server that way.

    Kr4ze had a very nice spawn. It wasn't huge, but was very complete, and nice to look at. Server plan was good, but indicated he had some time limitations.

    Olo's structure was simple, but well done. His server plan had some very realistic ideas on what directly to take the server.

    Ange also had a very nice spawn she built. And a very realistic server plan, but also admittedly wasn't looking to run everything.

    Big also did good with a well written plan and decent building skills, albeit a few little world edit oopses.

    Secret's have a very will written and ambitious server plan. What he built on the server was also ambitious, but as a result, somewhat incomplete.

    With so many things to consider, choosing just one of you is tough. Kr4ze, honestly, with the building and plans, you were certainly high up on the list. Had your time not been limited, you would have been a worthy Admin.

    Secret, you have such a well thought out plan and it is very ambitious. I like that. But sometimes being overly ambitious can be an issue if you can't complete your plans.

    Olo, both your building skills and server plans were well done and reasonable. What you brought to the table was a good balance.

    So at this time, I declare Ologenis the winner with XxSecretboyxX a very close second. If you are both willing, I would like to take Ologins on as our Chief Admin and XxSecretboyxX on as the Vice Admin. By having both balance and ambition, I think the server could really go places, and I hope you two agree.

    As for the rest of you that applied, thank you very much. After we start to get some basework done, we will be working on the staff positions, so keep your chin up.
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    GrayGhost
    02/13/2014 11:50 am
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    Alright folks, I will be looking at this a little later today. So make any additions/changes you are going to. It is OK to edit your entry. Just make sure you are happy with it.
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    GrayGhost
    02/13/2014 9:43 am
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    Yes. It is worth it. However, if you value storage space over performance, then the SYS-E32-3 is the same as the SYS-E32-4 with the cheaper 2 2 TB HDDs. It costs less ($59) and it has hardware RAID. So, if you RAID the 2 2TB HDDs, then you could still have great read/write performance, and have plenty of storage. For you, the SYS-E32-3 is probably the better option.
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    GrayGhost
    02/13/2014 12:19 am
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    I would run whatever server types I wanted, and I would run them off of a RAM drive.

    One of each type of server? LOL Then I would think about adding some special/custom servers that only higher level ranks can access.
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    GrayGhost
    02/12/2014 10:48 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    Darthmineboy...a minecraft server can only utilize 1 core. A single core 4 Ghz CPU would be more suited for running minecraft servers than a Quad core 2 Ghz CPU.


    Just looking at the clock speed of a CPU doesn't tell you how much work it can perform. Depending on the processor, a slower clocked CPU may very well outperform a higher clocked CPU. There are a lot of factors that go into this. According to your logic, the FX-4100 (3.6Ghz) would be faster than the Xeon E3-1245v2 (3.4Ghz). However, it isn't even close.

    As far as cores go, it is a confusing topic, but minecraft (specifically CraftBukkit or servers based on this such as Spigot), JVM (Java Virtual Machine), and many plugins/mods can take advantage of multi-threading. The number of physical or logical cores dictates the number of simultaneous threads can be ran. So while the main CraftBukkit/Spigot server thread tends to run on a single core, it can take advantage of multi-threaded chunk loading. Additionally Java uses multi-threaded garbage collection.

    The Xeon E3-1245v2 has 4 cores, but also has hyperthreading, effectively allowing it to run 8 threads simultaneously. The FX-4100 also has 4 cores, but can only run 4 threads. To top it off, if you are only looking at a single core of these quad core processors, the E3-1245v2 has much stronger single core performance.

    GreenTitanLP, of the server options you have posted here, the Intel Xeon E3 1245v2 (3.4Ghz+ (Quad Core), 32GB RAM, 2x120GB SSD) ($65 + $69 Setup) is going to be the best performer of everything you have listed here. It has a fast server class CPU, plenty of RAM, and dual SSDs. It will make for a very nice minecraft box. It will easily run multiple servers.
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    GrayGhost
    02/11/2014 11:54 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    It might also be worth looking at this as well: http://www.soyoustart.com/us/offers/sys-e32-4.xml

    This $65 monster has two SSDs, which are great for minecraft servers. It also has a fast, current generation Xeon processor and 32GB of RAM.

    The only thing is that it takes up to 10 days to deploy, and there is a $69 setup fee, unless you pay for a year in advance. But it is one heck of a server for that price.
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    GrayGhost
    02/10/2014 6:44 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    Thanks for those that applied. We are moving onto the next phase. Please read
    http://www.planetminecraft.com/forums/post2745268.html
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    GrayGhost
    02/10/2014 6:04 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    GreenMonster3333 added.
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    GrayGhost
    02/10/2014 4:12 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    Eagan110 added.

    Still taking applications
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    GrayGhost
    02/10/2014 4:03 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    I use McMyAdmin, but it doesn't have BungeeCord support. I believe Multicraft does. And yes, a minecraft interface like Multicraft, MyMyAdmin, or others does make it a bit easier to manage servers.

    Just a heads up, I don't think that is a one time setup fee for DirectAdmin. I am pretty sure that is a monthly license cost. Personally I wouldn't pay the additional $5 a month for DirectAdmin. It really has nothing over a Virtualmin/Webmin installation, which is free.

    The 64bit CentOS install is my personal preference. But to each their own.

    And don't forget to buy a kick butt domain name for your server.

    And you won't need to port forward. A dedicated server has a "direct" connection to the internet with at least 1 static IP. This means no annoying port forwarding or dynamic domain junk.
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    GrayGhost
    02/10/2014 1:42 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    Epicballzy I have added you.

    Folks, we will likely stop taking applications as of Tonight. If you are interested, apply now.
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    GrayGhost
    02/10/2014 11:04 am
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    GreenTitanLP
    Europia79
    GreenTitanLPHello,

    I've been paying $50 a month for hosting for a while, and want to have more control over it. My server right now has 8 Worlds and 51 plugins

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 0002-001T8

    We are looking to buy this PC and have it ONLY run the servers. Would this be able to run all that?


    http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/143 ... ree-trial/

    if you want to run Minecraft version 1.2.5 or below, then that computer will be fine.

    if you want to run any Minecraft version 1.3 or higher, it will NOT work.

    Reference the link above: posted Aug 17th 2012... where I ran a Minecraft server with a Core Duo... Notice how the average CPU usage in 1.2.5 was only 10% (with 30 plugins). Then notice how the average CPU usage went up in 1.3 to an average of 40% (heavy spikes from 10% to 80%).

    When you run a server, there are 3 primary things to consider:
    (1) What is your upload speed ?
    (2) How powerful is your CPU ?
    (3) How much RAM do you have ?

    And also, like others are saying... you want server grade hardware that can withstand the stress of running all the time.

    I would suggest you focus your server concept... Don't try to attract all different types of players... Choose 1 primary concept and do it well... I would suggest that you dump Skyblock because it's gay. If you want a cooler idea, do a Space World (similar in concept, but not gay because hardly any servers do a Space World).

    I suggest you focus on either McMMO, Factions, or Survival as your primary... As your secondary focus, you can add Creative and/or Minigames.

    Since you're utilizing less RAM, try to get your budget down to $30 per month and find a good VPS provider because that root SSH access will give you complete control over your server... And that's one of the things you wanted: more control.

    At $30 per month, you can last 10 months without donations... Since you're focusing on one thing and doing it well, donations will be easier to get because your players will recognize that you have a quality server environment that's enjoyable.


    I will NOT change my type of server, we are diverse in our game types and will stay that way.

    Alright, I did find a dedicated server - https://www.dedispec.com/client/cart.ph ... roduct&i=0

    Here's the issue, I have NO idea how to run a server off this, and I feel setting up BungeeCord would be hard without any help. I was able to do it off of a Windows Computer, and Shared Hosting was easy. This just seems impossible, since I don't normally use Linux. Can anyone point me in the right direction toward how I would access this?


    If you are new to Linux, and used to graphical interfaces, the first thing I would recommend is installing a good control panel that will allow you to do most things without having to use a command line all of the time. Your best bet may be to get someone to get the initial installation of an easy control panel for you.

    Advanced Linux users typically don't need this and simply use SSH and a client such as Putty. This allows you to remotely connect to your server and control it via command line. If you have never used Unix, Linux, or DOS, then running everything via command line is probably going to be a bit overwhelming.

    If you plan on running multiple server instances, I would first recommend getting a control panel that will quickly allow you to create virtual servers. I would recommend the free version of this for beginners: http://www.virtualmin.com/ . It is free, easy, and powerful. Once configured, this can reduce your work load quite a bit. It can create users, homes, mailboxes, and make DNS entries for you all at once. Advanced Linux users can do this relatively quickly, but if you are completely new to Linux, this would all take you quite a while. So using a control panel will save you a lot of time.

    However, there are still times you are going to need to use commands issued via a prompt. You can learn a lot of these things as you go. The internet is full of great Linux resources, and there are a lot of good Linux administration books out there too.
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    GrayGhost
    02/09/2014 11:24 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    To add to this, you are looking for a fair or acceptable use policy. They can vary greatly from provider to provider, as can the penalties. This is fine print stuff and you might want to ask you ISP about it directly, just in case.
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    GrayGhost
    02/09/2014 11:18 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    You are entitled to your opinion. However, 25 is a handful of people and I would seriously doubt you were running everything the original poster specified. And yes, the lag was very likely on your end. Of course you can BS the OP all day and tell him how great is was and he is free to spend the money on a desktop that he likely won't be happy with.

    My advice to the OP is to try it and see for yourself with some equipment you already have (if at all possible) before spending anything. Considering what you originally specified, I seriously doubt you will be satisfied. I would suggest seeing for yourself instead of taking someone else's word for it.
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    GrayGhost
    02/09/2014 10:44 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    Probably not. Plus unless you get a second internet connection, your players will lag every time someone wants to watch Netflix or YouTube or Facebook videos. But once you are spending that kind of money, you may as well pay for a quality host.

    Bottom line is that hosting from home is fine for playing with a few friends and family. However if you want something 24/7 that hosts more than a handful of people, this isn't going to work well for you. A cheap value desktop computer with a home connection might "run" but not well enough that people will want to play. Even a cheap shared minecraft host will run better.
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    GrayGhost
    02/09/2014 10:29 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    http://www.dedispec.com/all-servers.html Probably others too if you search webhostingtalk.com. Granted this assumes that you can self manage a Linux server.
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    GrayGhost
    02/09/2014 4:16 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    IMHO, you are trying to do too much with a desktop based system with what I assume would be hosting on your home Internet connection. Considering the number/type of plugins you are using, you won't be able to host many people without experiencing some pretty severe lag issues. BungeeCord works great for multiple physical machines. If you are using a single physical machine, simply using multiverse or similar for multiple worlds will likely have far better performance than trying to run multiple server instances connected with BungeeCord.

    If you want more control, you may want to look into dedicated servers that you can do whatever you please with. Then you have total control, but also have the ability to totally destroy it too. You can get Xeon systems with 24GB of RAM and have it hosted on a professional data center pipeline for as low as $65 a month. You could probably run a 200-300 man server on this, depending on plugins and other factors.
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    GrayGhost
    02/08/2014 9:58 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    The in game name was not provided sk8ing.

    Still taking applications for anyone interested.
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    GrayGhost
    02/08/2014 1:15 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    Mow lawns, rake leaves, pick up dog poop. Before you frown on picking up dog poop, you should probably look online at how much people charge in your area for this service. You would be amazed at how much people are willing to pay other people to pick it up.
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    GrayGhost
    02/08/2014 1:02 pm
    Level 2 : Apprentice Miner
    OmegaPulse is our newest candidate and has been added to the Trial Admin group. Good luck.

    For everyone else, we are still taking applications!
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