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    therandomdot
    07/14/2014 12:40 pm
    Level 34 : Artisan Miner
    I need to add one more thing to watch out for.

    Don't get lured in by rebates. Don't let rebates be the deciding factor.

    Rebates require you to cut out and mail in the UPC code from the box/container. If you do that, then you can't return the item to the store for a refund if it borks up. The catch with rebates is they rush you. Most give you 15-30 days to mail them in for the rebate/refund. Your electronics might bork up after 2 months, though! You mail in the rebate. Get $25 back. Then your hardware borks up. You're stuck with it.

    Rebates, much like college thesis papers, look nice on paper. But, they can cause people to lose site of reality. The reality is you want a good build. You need solid parts that will last. So, make that your primary focus.

    Of all of the electronics I've bought / used, rebates were never a deciding factor, and I never turned in the rebates for the refund. I simply will not risk sending a company my UPC code, and thus preventing me from returning the item in case of issues.
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    therandomdot
    07/14/2014 12:26 pm
    Level 34 : Artisan Miner
    Here's what I'm assuming you're focus is on your build...

    1) single gfx card (not SLI'ing or Cross-firing)
    2) under $1000

    Here's some general advice...

    1) Skip ASRock. Their boards are too hit-or-miss. Go for a Gigabyte, MSI or ASUS instead.

    2) If you're only wanting to (ever) do a single gfx card, skip the "mid-range" boards that have multiple PCI gfx card slots. Instead, look at "budget gaming" ATX / mini-ATX boards. The problem with those is finding one that has PCIE 3.0 (for gfx performance) as well as a mini PCI slot that doesn't get covered up by a honking gfx card. Most mini-ATX boards are designed with Home Theatre PC (HTPC) in mind. So, they only have PCI 2.0. If you can find one with PCI 3.0 under $100, that's a good start. Generally, any decent gfx card will cover up two PCI-slots worth of space. Some of these mini boards cram the slots so close together that you can end up covering up a crucial (or only remaining) slot with the gfx card. So, next you need to be sure it has enough slots far enough away to sport everything you'll put on it (gfx card + wifi card probably). Also ... SATA port location. Many boards will have both SATA 3gb/s & 6gb/s ports. But, they put the 3 & 6 ports in different locations. If you're in a cramped case, it sucks having any of the sata ports turned 90 degrees. It's better to have the sata ports facing up on the mobo instead of angled. This lets you easily plug cables in and out instead of kinking your hand around and using foul language to get things hooked up. Look at where all things are on the board in comparison to the gfx card PCI slot. A huge gfx card may cover up sata ports or get really crammed up to memory slots on some boards. Board layout is just like real estate .. location, location, location ... of everything on the board is just as important as what the board can do. Having tons of great stuff on the mobo is worthless if a honking gfx card covers up essential stuff you need to use.

    3) If you're worried about latency for online gaming, then the cheapest solution is to run an ethernet cord into your box to your router/ modem. Really great wireless cards will cost a pretty penny, and can be needless budget hogs. However, running a cable from your comp to the router/modem can look tacky. It's generally been my experience that wireless is "good enough" for online gaming. What makes the biggest difference is the server you're playing on. If it's far away or just underpowered for what it's doing then it's going to suck. If tons of folks in your family are hogging bandwidth by downloading shows or streaming, then your bandwidth will suffer. A great wifi card or wired connection to the router can't prevent any of that. For a budget build an inexpensive wifi card (or usb stick) is "good enough".

    4) To OC your comp (using Intel chips) you need either the unlettered version (I think) or the the "K" versions if I remember correctly. But, OC'ing these days is just overkill. The LGA1150 Haswell chips are so far ahead of the curve that it'll be 5-10 years before some games start to push them. Why? Because console games dictate the gaming world now. X-box one and PS4 just came out, and they're using specs that are semi-modern. Any system you build using a Haswell chip will be way more than enough to game with for 5 years until new consoles come out. OC'ing it is just pointless. I just upgraded from a Sandy Bridge i5-2400 to a Haswell i5-4570 (freak accident with a power surge and not having my comp on a surge protector... rookie mistake). The Haswell is more than enough cpu for anything I throw at it gaming-wise. Heck, the Sandy Bridge was more than enough, too. I only upgraded, b/c the cpu got fritzed in the power surge. Save a few bucks and see if you can downgrade the series from 4600 to 4500. When you look at the letters on the chips, the "K" series is for OC'ing (which also requires a mobo that can do that... which I think most can, but you need to double-check the mobo specs you're buying just to be sure). The "S" series is power-saver, used for all-in-one computer builds and laptops. I think there's a "T" series... can't remember what it does. If you just get a generic i5 (without any letter following it's #), it will be more than enough computing power for a good 5 years to come. I would even go so far as to say a Haswell i3 would be fine for gaming, too. It's just a dual-core, but the Haswells are just amazing cpu's so far. Anything better than a Pentium will be good for gaming. So, you could start with an i3 then later bump to an i5. As long as it's LGA1150 socket. Gaming in the past was barely tapping multi-core. It's only using multi-core now, b/c both the Xbox-one and PS4 were made with multi-core APU's, and the tools used to make games for them also make it easier to port to PC these days. So, multi-core optimizations for console games are finally carrying over to PC ports. Bottom line, skimp on the cpu a bit. If you abolsutley want to overclock, then buy a mobo that supports it. Most, (like MSI & ASUS) come with an automatic overclocker function in the BIOS/UEFI that does the dirty work for you. I used the one on my ASUS board to OC my i5-2400 & memory. End result, the 3.10ghz was running 3.5ghz, and the ram was running 2100 instead of 1600. The difference? None. Didn't notice any difference. I eventually switched it back to normal, b/c I didn't want to put wear-n-tear on the cpu if I didn't notice a difference. I got an MSI LGA1150 socket mobo for the i5-4570. It comes with "OC Genie". I turn it on. The difference? Again... none. You won't notice much difference with OC'ing unless you go to extremes. But, to go to extremes you have to then get your hands dirty manually adjusting timings, voltate settings, and you run the risk of majorly borking up or destroying your hardware. Bottom line, I wouldn't risk it. It's needless overkill.

    5) By cutting cost on the mobo & cpu ... you can buy a better GPU/GFX card. THAT'S what's going to make the most difference. Many games these days have nice graphics even on low settings. You need a beast card to run stuff. When I first did a new comp build in late 2011 (to play skyrim) after not building one for 10 years (yeah, 10 years!), I slapped a GT540 nvidia card into it. Brother and I didn't do much research. It could run games, but wasn't that great. I replaced it about 1/2 a year ago with GTX760. It was a good $200 or so. If I had to do it again, I would have gone with a Radeon. Why? Because AMD Radeon gfx cards are just as good as Nvidia, but cost less. Do some research on a nice Radeon card, and expect to pay $200-300. That's going to be the bulk of your build cost (aside from the cpu, which will prob cost you a good $200). You don't need to SLI or Crossfire to have good gaming graphics. Some games you may not be able to run with full bells and whistles, but those bells and whistles will be such outlandish stuff that doesn't make a difference (eg: realistic rain drops falling from the sky that you won't even be paying attention to while playing your shooter game). SLI'ing and Cross-firing is a god-send for graphic designers, because it gives them tons of power for graphic processing and their job. But for gaming, a single beast gfx card is "good enough". And for a sub-$1000 build you should focus on just fielding a single gfx card.

    6) There's lots of opinion on cases, but I recommend getting one that lets you do all the work you need on it without a screwdriver. I've got an Antec case (my brother talked me into it). It is the biggest PITA to work on, b/c everything is screwed in. Also, the powersupply has to slip under a bar that goes right along the case. My power supply went out a year or so ago. I had to remove EVERYTHING from the case to slide the pwoersupply out from under that bar. It's ridiculous. Get a case that's easy to work on/in. One where you don't have to remove a lot of stuff to get something in and out. Also, be sure it can mount your SSD well. My Antec case was a nightmare to mount the SSD in. The 3.5 slots didn't work (even using the adapter that came with the SSD). I had to bolt the SSD to the bottom of the case in a special "SSD" mounting. This makes it a real PITA to get SATA cables and power cables hooked and unhooked to it. Just majorly annoying. If you can find a good mini-ATX gaming mobo, then you can go so far as to down-grade to a mini-ATX tower. Having a big gaming desktop rig is just a relic of the past. My tower is big and bulky and a PITA to move around. If I had to do it over again I'd go mini-ATX if I could. Something with a handle where I could pick it up easily.

    7) CPU cooling ... the fan included with Intel cpu's is good enough. The problem is most folks don't mount it properly (they don't make sure the mounting pins are fastened properly, securing the fan to the cpu properly), and don't use a good thermal paste. Spend $10 for some Arctic Silver. Look up a Youtube vid on how to mount the stock fan properly. (Once you figure it out it's amazingly simple to take on and off, and you don't even have to remove the mobo from the case to do so, unlike other hulking fans that require you to bolt the mounting plate on the back of the mobo... looking at you, Cooler Master.) The stock fan (unlike some fans that come with Cooler Master and such) is that the stock fan is a 4-pin, not a 3 pin. The 4th pin is what lets the mobo utilize power-saving cool-n-quiet technology to adjust fan speed as needed. Your mobo BIOS / UEFI will give you options on passing cooling, quieter cooling (eg: underclocking cpu before increasing fan speeds), or let you just set the fan at a permanant speed. In most cases the mobo manufacturer has set the default to exactly what it needs to be. IE: it will speed up and slow down the fan as needed. I used a Cooler Master hulking heat sink on my i5-2400. It had 3-pin connectors, so the mobo couldnt' regulate it's speed. I'd start the comp, and the fan would blow full speed. The cpu would hover around 35C idle, and go up to 50C while gaming or boinc'ing. You could hear it blasting all the time, though. When I switched to the MSI + i5-4570, I went back to stock Intel fan that came with the cpu. I set the cool-n-quiet options to lower fan speed before unclocking the cpu. It now idles around 45C. That's still within good operating temperature (if I recall correctly the i-series cpu's start getting too toasty when they hit the 70C's.) When I game... it goes up to 50C. The mobo cool-n-quiet kicks in and it increases fan speed to keep it cool. The stock fan is low-profile, so it allows lots of air flow through the case. Save some money, and try the stock heat sink first. If you don't like it, you can always buy a different one. But, Intel is not an idiot. They designed amazing cpu's, and they had engineers custom make a heat sink for it, too. Give it a shot before wasting money on a different sink.

    8) power supply ... what's more important than power supply wattage is the silver, gold, platinum rating. Generally the higher the rating the better the power supply. It evens out the power flow, is better at preventing surges, etc. For a single gfx card build I'd go with the 500W, maybe a 600W, but I'd shoot for something with a Gold rating. It's going to cost more, though. Go with a decent name-brand. Everything is made in china these days, but if you go with a cheap-o brand name then the power supply could cause surges that blow your components out. you don't want that.

    Hope this helps.
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    therandomdot
    06/19/2014 2:52 pm
    Level 34 : Artisan Miner
    Ok, you don't want to make your own.

    Then two options ...

    1) contact a builder, and have them build you one.

    2) go on craigslist and see if a gamer is selling their old rig (when dual-cores first came out, I bought some guys dual-core, dual-monitor gaming rig for $800 when it would have cost me $1200 to make it myself).

    You will get far more bang for your buck from a custom-made $700 job than a pre-canned job. Not just talking performance, but in parts quality, too. You can buy a pre-canned $700 job, but it will have the cheapest parts in it. Just ask how happy all those folks that bought budget Dell comps a while back that started crapping out due to bad made-in-china capacitors. Pre-canned computer companies make money buy cheaping out on the internals.

    The main problem with pre-builts (other than quality of parts) is:

    a) HDD speed ... CPU & RAM speed are no longer the bottlenecks. An modern i3 with 4GB of RAM is more than enough raw computing power than most folks will ever need, even for gaming. What bottlenecks it, though, is the slower-than-molasses HDD they stuff in all of these pre-canned budget rigs. If you're lucky it'll be 7200rpm. If not, it'll be 5400rpm. (It still amazes me that folks don't look at HDD speed when computer shopping.. they ask how fast the CPU & RAM and GFX are, but are completely oblivious to the slow HDD speed that will kill performance). If you're going to go to the time, effort, trouble and expense of buying a new comp, do yourself a huge favor and make sure it has a Solid State Drive (SSD) as the main OS drive. If your new comp only has an HDD as its main drive, then you might as well have just bought a 5 year old computer for all the good its going to do.

    b) budget gaming rigs still skimp on gfx cards compared to what you could buy and stuff in it on your own. (eg: it may come with an Nvidia GTX 7xx series, ... that's a modern gen Nvidia card ... but, don't be fooled. The first # in the Nvidia series is just how "current" generation the card is ... eg: 7xx is more current than 6xx is more current than 5xx ... the LAST TWO digits are what you should concern about... eg: a 740 is going to be crap compared to a GTX 760. It may be better to get an older gen card ... eg: 670 ... than to pop for a current gen 7xx card. And, since AMD Radeon cards are pretty much neck-n-neck with Nvidia these days, it's less expensive to go the AMD route.

    The only way I would say to buy a pre-canned comp is if ...

    a) it was $500 or less
    b) it came with at least an Intel i3 or AMD equivalent (no pentium / celeron crap)
    c) it came with at least an 60GB SSD as its main drive that the OS was loaded on

    .. then you could pop $200 on a decent graphics card to stuff in it and convert it into a mini-gaming rig. When you later got $50 you could buy a 500GB hard disk to slap in it as a storage drive for mp3's and things.

    But, since that magical unicorn bare-bones form factor doesn't exist ... you should take your $700 and go find a computer builder that will put your money to better use.

    If you're going to shop on craigslist, then make sure you meet the person AT THEIR PLACE and have them BOOT UP THE COMPUTER. That way you know it works. Ask them to run an analysis tool like Speccy while the comp is booted up so you can make sure you're getting what the ad said. Have them shut it down, open the case up, and check to make sure the parts are what they said they were (look for the brand names). When all is said and done, you can buy the comp and take it. Don't let the guy be alone with it or say "oh, I'll deliver it to you tomorrow". After you verified everything was as-is, you dont' want the seller to have a chance to swap out parts that are cheap behind your back.

    If you're not comfortable with computers, then I would recommend using a computer builder instead. Any small shop will be more than happy to work with you. Walk into your local computer repair store. Tell them you want to get a gaming rig built, and you have a $700 ceiling. Must have a decent gfx card (eg GTX 760 or AMD equivilent) and SSD as main drive (an HDD for storage would be great, but not mandatory right now).

    Since you're 11 ... go to the comp repair store alone. Don't ahve your parents accompany you (they can drive you, but go in alone and have them deal with you DIRECTLY). Why? Because YOU ARE THE CUSTOMER. If your parents are in there with you, then they will probably ignore you and start talking to your parents. You want them to know that YOU ARE THE CUSTOMER, and they need to DEAL WITH YOU DIRECTLY. If they seem like they don't care about you, or blow you off, or make condescending comments, then walk out and don't go back... they're not taking you seriously and thus won't take your order / build seriously. If, however, they treat you like an adult and work with you and talk to you like an equal, then chat with them and see where it goes. Any computer dork worth there salt will be eager to help a fellow gamer build an awesome budget rig. And for $700, you CAN get a good budget gaming rig built ... Ars Technica posts budget builds all the time, and the cost of a decent gaming rig is below $700 (as long as you're using your old keyboard, mouse and speakers.)
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    therandomdot
    06/19/2014 1:50 pm
    Level 34 : Artisan Miner
    I guess I should also mention ... if you've never worked on a laptop before, and don't have the tools, then go to a Fry's or something and look for a tool called "Teeny Turner". It's an itty-bitty screw driver that has swappable heads. The phillips heads are small enough to work on a lappy. Unlike a lot of cheap, made-in-china tools that have soft metal that borks up fast, the bits on this thing are primo steel. I've had mine for about 5 years, and it still looks brand new (as opposed to some cheap-o drill bits my gf's dad lent me for a table project... those things got torn up after just turning a few screws). Teeny Turner thing is made in USA, and well built. And it's like $5-10 or something. It was the only thing I needed to tear apart lappys I found for a long time until I found a lappy that had a really deeply recessed screw in a back corner.
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    therandomdot
    06/19/2014 1:43 pm
    Level 34 : Artisan Miner
    First, you can download Piriform's Speccy, and after installing it you can run it to get more detailed specs about your computer. (Lays it out better than Windows built-in analysis tool)

    Second, forget RAM, CPU ... most laptops (unless high-end) are sold with horribly slow HDD's. They sucker you into the sale by telling you it's a xxxGB (or TB) HDD, but they don't mention how fast it is.

    Most HDD's in lappys (esp budget lappys) are slow, 5400rpm ones (revolutions per minute). Windows gets around this by cache'ing a lot of stuff into memory (prefetch / superfetch), but when you have activities that require pure HDD read/write speed (eg: using your HDD as a Photoshop scratch disk or recording audio / video on the fly or doing multiple activities that require the HDD to seek/read/write at once) then the HDD's speed is going to bottleneck it in a big way.

    So, how to fix that?

    Obvious answer ... buy a Solid State Drive. You can get 60GB versions for about $60 these days (they're coming down to $1/GB). Even if your lappy has a 7200rpm or faster HDD (run Speccy, it'll tell you how fast your HDD is) replacing it with a SSD will still make a great difference.

    The problem is that a lot of laptop HDD's come partitioned with hidden recovery partitions. These are there to help you restore your lappy to "factory default" in case it gets borked so bad from a virus, or you need to quickly refresh it to sell it to someone (and don't want all of your personal stuff all over it).

    However, those recovery partitions are just an image ... when the lappy "recovers" all it's doing is copying that hidden image back onto the active part of the drive... and then you go through update hell with Windows again, having to install all the updates in Windows that didn't exist when that image was made long ago. Not to mention you'll need to re-install all the software you installed, and uninstall all the crap-ware that the image is probably pre-bundled with.

    You can kill two birds with one stone by abusing Windows' "Backup & Restore" function...

    Start > Control Panel > Backup & Restore > Create a System Image

    ... This lets you make an image of your lappy as it is now ... with Windows updated to-date, software you've installed on it, etc. Windows System Restore is sort of the same thing ... it makes snapshots of your comp to roll back. But, the Backup/Restore feature lets you create an image and copy it down to a media of your choice ... DVD's (which may be a huge stack depending on how much crap you have on your comp), an external HDD (or flash drive if you have a big one), etc.

    By making the image, you can then swap the old HDD out and put the SSD in, then just run the image back onto the SSD.

    The problem with that (there's always a catch), is that the image will still be setup as if it's on an HDD ... this means prefetch/superfetch will be on, TRIM won't be activated, etc, etc. There's things Win 7 tweaks when it's fresh-installing into an SSD. By just copying an image over, it's not a real install... you're just literally copying a huge file (the image) from one location to another then it makes that "file" into something bootable/executable.

    There's sites you can google up to tweak Win 7 for SSD mode. I'd be careful, though. Many were made when SSD's first came out, and they have a lot of parnoia banter about trying to avoid SSD writes as much as possible. SSD's have advanced since then, and they can take tons of writes and still perform exceptionally well.

    The other problem you'll face, depending on how big of SSD you get, is storage capacity. But, if you take your old 500GB drive, you can buy an external USB HDD enclosure for like $25, slap your old HDD into it, and then use it as an external HDD. Use your lappy's internal SSD for OS, program installs, things that need speed .. use your external USB HDD for storage ... MP3's, movies, etc ... things that don't need speed, just bulk storage.

    Other than that, you can check online (google) for your lappy's specs. Or, just unscrew the back cover over the RAM. See if it can take another 2GB stick or something. RAM is cheap. $25 will get you a stick of 2GB DDR3 lappy ram. (DDR2 RAM runs more expensive if I recall correctly, though).

    If you toss enough RAM into your comp (eg: 4gb or more), you might be able to make a ramdisk out of 500mb of it to use as a dumping ground for video recording. I've got 16gb on my pc, and for a long time I had 2gb set aside for BOINC, scratch disk operations, temp file dumping, etc. Since it's RAM, a RAM disk would run at the speed of your RAM. Unfortunately, RAM disk is volatile... you'd have to use a program to set it up and save anything you needed to keep from it down to your HDD before shutting down (b/c when comp shuts down the RAM gets wiped... including the RAM disk.)
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    therandomdot
    05/27/2014 11:32 pm
    Level 34 : Artisan Miner
    On the flip-side of this ... if you're a kid pushing to become Staff, you have to realize all you're doing is busting your hump doing a bunch of uncompensated work while someone else pockets the profit. But, that's what Capitalism is all about.... find people willing to do skunk work for you for as little gain as possible while you keep the as much profit as possible.

    Most younger staff members don't realize how badly they're being used. That's probably why some servers like younger staff members. Hand them a few special powers on the server to make them happy, then ask them to put in 20 hours clearing out issue queues and watch them get frustrated as someone interrupts them every minute to come resolve an issue.

    Basically, becoming an MC Staff member is the "fast food job" of the internet. When you're young it seems cool to get some occasional "Free Fries" for busting your hump 20 hours a week. But, eventually you grow up and realize someone was just using you as cheap labor while they kicked back reaping the real rewards (ie: money).

    (No offense, Nom900... just looking at this from a different perspective. A perspective where these folks should be thankful they're NOT staff.)
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    therandomdot
    05/27/2014 11:23 pm
    Level 34 : Artisan Miner
    Yes, it is a job. When you go on a server and play for hours on end as a player, you're doing it b/c it's fun. But, the moment you become staff you are required to clear out issue queues, deal with griefing, petty arguments, and anything else that violates server rules (which are sometimes ambiguous enough to where you're not quite sure how heavy-handed or lenient you should be).

    Likewise, you're expected to be on for a certain amount of time each week... which was why you were allowed to become Staff in the first place.

    Maturity is one thing. Anyone can demonstrate maturity for 5 minutes. But servers are looking for consistency, too. They need folks that come to their server, and spend time on it... a lot. And then they need to know that once that person goes from player (that just comes to play for hours to have fun) to Staff (which then requires you to waste time dealing with server drama) that you'll stick around and deal with it as expected instead of bailing on the server just to show up once or twice a month for 5 minutes and never do anything.

    The Admin / Server owner is basically making you a glorified baby-sitter that they can pawn work off on... junk work that they themselves don't want to deal with.

    When you become Staff, you don't get to just show up and play. You are now required to police griefing issues, petty arguments between players (or Staff even), choose who to ban or reprimand and sometimes get an earful if you were to lenient or too strong-armed (especially annoying if you try to exercise the same punishments to fit the crimes consistently, but the admin or other senior staff have favorite players that they allow to get away with murder).

    Staff are almost never monetarily compensated, instead their extra powers are compensation enough (eg: being able to world edit things to quickly create mega-builds ... or wipe out weeks worth of someone's work if abused).

    When I hear most folks asking for admin or op or whatever, though, they're just looking for the privilege without the responsibility. They want the powers (like world editing, being able to ban / mute people / leverage control over others, etc), but don't realize the BS you have to put up with or the time expected of you.

    Your MC life on that server becomes a job. So, then they stop showing up to the server, b/c they can no longer focus on having fun, instead having to focus on clearing out the issues queue or listening to some jerk go off on a racial slur rant and mute them or roll back some greifer's work or whatever.

    Look at it this way... regardless of how mature YOU are for your age... majority of other players are NOT mature for their age... or for any age. Otherwise there wouldn't be a need for Staff and admins and mods. When you become Staff you end up being a glorified baby-sitter having to deal with all of those bozo's. Anonymity amplifies the best or worst traits in people. You will see loads of folks working together to create something special... and then one jerk comes along trying to be the next Team AVO destroying it.

    Bottomline, becoming Staff is overrated, but most folks don't seem to realize it. If you play MC to have fun, then remain a player. B/c once you become staff on a server your MC days will turn into having to deal with idiots screwing stuff up all the time or causing drama. If that's what you like, then go get a real job that will at least pay you real money for dealing with that junk.
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