60
Ticket #12221
Status: Open
Opened by Hashs
Type:
Feature Request
Views:
1,303
Access:
Public
Opened:
12/10/20 9:14 am 12/10/20 9:14 am

Rules proposal: Disallow data packs that solely add recipes

There is a significant issue with the data pack section on PMC, one that is primarily felt by creators of the biggest and most complex packs such as myself, but really by any data pack creator.

That issue is how several people on PMC post large quantities of spam packs containing at worst singular recipe files. Not only can these packs easily be made with a generator such as this, and can be cranked out in mass quantities, they also flood the feed, pushing down packs that may have taken tens or even hundreds of hours to make with packs that could have been made and uploaded in a minute tops.

Often times, these spam packs add cheaty recipes such as easy diamond or easy netherite, which could easily be made by the end user using something like the generator I linked above. Also, the legitimate recipes are often only slightly different; for example, most saddle recipes use leather, iron and string. There is no point to having multiple near-identical packs on the site unless there are significant differences.

Additionally, the people who make these spam packs could easily compile them into a singular large pack. I am unsure how the staff would designate larger packs as fine to upload, but as it is, posting them as separate packs feels like they're farming for XP to me, since many of the people who post these recipe packs have upwards of 5 or more packs.

As someone who makes actual data packs, it doesn't feel like my effort is being respected over that of these recipe pack creators. Hundreds of hours of our time are being rendered ineffective because whenever we publish an update, the spammy recipe packs overtake it in the feed. Many other pack makers feel the same; I made a forum post a few days ago specifically about cheaty recipe packs, and several long-standing members of the community expressed their agreement.

Currently, these packs can sometimes be removed for spam; however, this is not always the case. I've seen a PMC mod state on the Discord server that they're "not sure where we are supposed to draw the line between what is allowed and what isn't". There need to be concrete rules set in place to remove these packs whose existence negatively contributes to the community, as right now these packs can only occasionally be removed for spam.

So, following that, I ask of the PMC staff: please disallow data packs that only add recipes or find some other solution to separate these packs from others or improve their overall quality. For an archetype of submission that contributes so negatively, I am surprised this was not disallowed or otherwise changed weeks or months ago.

Thank you for your time.


Edit: Another key point to mention here is that the mods category has an explicit rule against unoriginal or repetitive content. The datapacks category does not. I feel like the datapacks category could greatly use such a rule, as it would not only cover these recipe packs while not affecting higher quality ones, it would also cover spammy packs that add random low-quality gimmicks, another issue I have.

Edit: Update to my thoughts on this a bit, after discussing with some friends and others who disagree with the content of this ticket.

I feel that the main issue is not with the presence of the recipe packs, but rather with how the site treats them. Take the popular reel, for instance. A pack that reaches a certain threshold is often able to be displayed to all members in a banner. However, the issue with this is that it has a very low threshold for when a pack can be posted to it, and it also can only feature a pack once in its lifetime, regardless of how many updates or changes have been applied since it was featured.

Thus, the popular reel favors members who post many packs instead of updating the same packs over and over again. Updated packs tend to be higher quality, so I propose to update the popular reel to allow submissions to be re-featured if they receive an update and have not been featured in a certain time period. I sincerely believe this is a better solution to the problem than disallowing recipe packs.

Create an account or sign in to comment.

3
08/04/2021 3:18 am
Level 75 : Legendary Creator
DiversifiedPlayz
DiversifiedPlayz avatar
Here we are 6 months later when ___ op items datapacks just take up the trending page of DataPacks
2
08/04/2021 10:34 am
Level 63 : High Grandmaster Botanist
Hashs
Hashs avatar
Yeah, pretty much. I wouldn’t really consider this ticket active anymore since the proposal I presented here all those months ago is not a very good one, and the recipe pack problem has been solved in other ways.
2
05/01/2021 7:03 amhistory
Level 8 : Apprentice Miner
Drakio-X
Drakio-X avatar
I thought, PMC must let the link to the recipes generator in a visible place of the site to let people know that by their count they can make their own recipes.
2
05/01/2021 1:53 pm
Level 23 : Expert Modder
Flarker
Flarker avatar
I agree.
1
01/13/2021 8:11 am
Level 16 : Journeyman Button Pusher
Tree642
Tree642 avatar
I think that this should be implemented and that PMC should have a small page linking to the crafting recipe creator as well
4
01/13/2021 7:41 am
Level 52 : Grandmaster Engineer
DanMizu
DanMizu avatar
We need better filtering methods. Definitely don't disallow any type of datapack, just have a better algorithm to show off the really cool innovative datapacks.
12/21/2020 3:08 pm
Level 63 : High Grandmaster Botanist
Hashs
Hashs avatar
modified ticket description.
1
12/21/2020 3:07 pm
Level 63 : High Grandmaster Botanist
Hashs
Hashs avatar
Update to my thoughts on this a bit, after discussing with some friends and others who disagree with the content of this ticket.

I feel that the main issue is not with the presence of the recipe packs, but rather with how the site treats them. Take the popular reel, for instance. A pack that reaches a certain threshold is often able to be displayed to all members in a banner. However, the issue with this is that it has a very low threshold for when a pack can be posted to it, and it also can only feature a pack once in its lifetime, regardless of how many updates or changes have been applied since it was featured.

Thus, the popular reel favors members who post many packs instead of updating the same packs over and over again. Updated packs tend to be higher quality, so I propose to update the popular reel to allow submissions to be re-featured if they receive an update and have not been featured in a certain time period. I sincerely believe this is a better solution to the problem than disallowing recipe packs.
3
12/21/2020 12:53 am
Level 70 : Legendary Programmer
ImCoolYeah105
ImCoolYeah105 avatar
Almost sounds like there should be a way for people to upload simple files (ie. recipes), and then a user can choose which ones they want merge them into their own datapack instead of downloading a dozen separate datapacks with only a few recipes each. Might be challenging to implement.

In general, I agree there should be something in place to prevent high quality, high effort datapacks from getting buried by spammed 5 minute datapacks.
1
05/01/2021 6:58 am
Level 8 : Apprentice Miner
Drakio-X
Drakio-X avatar
I agree, I really dont want all the recipe data packages to be removed because there are some that add something that I like, but at the same time it really bothers me that individual recipes bury more interesting things
Planet Minecraft

Website

© 2010 - 2021
www.planetminecraft.com

Welcome