Contest judgement fase category weights

Ticket #832
Opened by: Rolofolo
Status: Open
Feature Request
3/31/16 3:14 pm 3/31/16 3:14 pm
I was a contest judge for the first time on the Desert contest.

I never realy noticed, but the weight of the judging categories are a bit off in my opinion.

Presentation isn't the most clear subjects to judge. More subjective then the other two.
I would suggest a 40/40/20 precentage rating instead of 33/33/33.

09/15/2016 5:30 am
Level 55 : Grandmaster Cyborg
As quoted from Foxy in :

"But regardless of this, things like lore and renders aren't factored into the Presentation Score. The presentation factor is about how well the build itself is presented in-game. For instance, you could make the most complicated and amazing group of castle builds in history for the contest, but if you did something like scatter tall bulky towers around the castles which obscure their visibility from a distance and make it difficult to know what the castles looked like or how well they were done overall without going out of your way to closely examine them and map them out to figure out what they look like as a whole, then you may score pretty high for Technique and Execution, but you would have done a poor job at presenting the build, resulting in a lower Presentation score. This is just one example and there's more that goes into it, but this should give you an idea of what we're looking for with that."

You said you were a judge yourself, but it looks like you have a different view on what the presentation score is ("In reality I think judgement is done 33% based on how the project itself is placed on PMC. For example the lore, quality and effort taken to make the project page nice and add value to the project."). Foxy specifically said the lore is not part of the presentation score.

Makes me kind of question the communication between build contest judges.
09/16/2016 2:42 am
Level 70 : Legendary Architect
Let say their was some debate amongst the judges in that content round how to act on the 'presentation' score. But that was resolved quickly and I have no question the judges in the Desert contest where equily qualified to judge.
09/16/2016 8:26 am
Level 55 : Grandmaster Cyborg
Would probably be helpful if someone actually told the participants what the presentation score is based upon. I've heard 2 different things now and your reply does not tell us which one is correct.
09/16/2016 10:14 am
Level 70 : Legendary Architect
I'm just a member of PMC as well. I have no influence and so not the awsers you seek.
For me the criteria are stated in the rules of the contest. Yeah, they could be more thight I guess. But nevertheless it will be a more subjective score then the other two. That's why I made this ticket so it will balance out the 3 better.

I do feel the category shoot exists. It will provide more and better quality content on the web for example.
09/14/2016 8:50 am
Level 52 : Grandmaster Mage
To be honest though, I'm not sure how this would significantly increase rating quality.
04/04/2016 9:26 am
Level 70 : Legendary Architect
To clarify, this ticket is not about the quality of judges and/or about looking at renders or not.
I for example didn't look at renders the way Nordwolf and Tickandtock are reffering too. It only served to get more diamonds in the first fase and for me as judge to balance out between a higher or lower point. Mostly I didn't take real notice of the renders other then personal enjoyment.

I guess, this is the effect of making presentation weight so high. People think judgeing is about the good renders.
In reality I think judgement is done 33% based on how the project itself is placed on PMC. For example the lore, quality and effort taken to make the project page nice and add value to the project. Which on its own is a good thing to judge.

So this ticked could server multiple purpuses.
04/03/2016 5:10 pm
Level 33 : Artisan Architect
Couldn't agree with you more. Many many times presentation outweighs quality. I wish there were more people that could see through renders like us builders can.
04/03/2016 4:49 pm
Level 10 : Journeyman Artist
I will also add that in presentations renders are often aren't created by the builders themselves, rendering the whole "solo" contest premise quite a bit skewed.
04/01/2016 2:52 pm
Level 38 : Artisan Pokemon
I agree. Considering the purpose of the contest is weighed much more heavily on creativity and the build itself, and not so much on how the build looks in renders, or fancy gifs in the description.
03/31/2016 9:46 pm
Level 28 : Expert Architect
I wholeheartedly agree, glad this is being brought up.
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