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Paril
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Top of the 12:37 AM to you all. I have a small subject to discuss with errbody here today. The issue of the word "unoriginal" has been passed around a lot of PMC, and I think that it's finally come to a head where people are legitimately getting upset at seeing this word and the many meanings that it may have. I guarantee you, though, that the word isn't being used in the way most people imagine it is.

Now, before we go into the specifics, I will admit one thing: unoriginal was a badchoice of wording for PMC. Being a wordophile myself, I feel that the way that this word is thrown around by both moderators and members is a bit disheartening, not because it's being used but because many people don't seem to really 'get' why we use it - and yet, on a daily basis, people report content for being unoriginal and/or content is deleted by moderators for being unoriginal. In most cases it's used in the proper context, but, I wish to explain this is a more public environment.

We'll start with some wordplay. When most people think of the word "unoriginal", they liken it to synonyms like hackneyed, cliché,unimaginative, imitative, predictable. I'm sure most of you know where this is going, but, I'll skip the dictionary time and go straight to the point: this isn't what we mean.

It's a very easy mistake to make, because that IS what unoriginal means. This isn't, however, how (I think) the creation of the word "unoriginal" came to be on PMC. The "real" definition of "unoriginal" here has a completely different context. First, let's pick out the antonym of this word: original. This is an easy word to grasp, and when put side-by-side with unoriginal you can see the obvious similarities, but the problem is that the rules tack another word onto this: original content.This is where the butcher made a mistake and accidentally lopped off an extra finger.

These two, very common phrases have very different meanings, and this is where members get confused. There is no easy way to describe "unoriginal content", because it doesn't make sense. Original content, however, is its own term that has some very complex guidelines associated with it. Obviously, we have our own set of rules which dictate what is declared as original content on PMC, and said ruleset can be found hereon the forums.

Wikipedia defines "original content" as "user generated content", and in reality this is what it all boils down to. Most of the people who get confused with the term unoriginal are those who use programs to generate content for them & post them. When the content gets removed for "unoriginality", the content creators become confused as the aspect of their content being called a copy, a duplicate, inspired by another work, unimaginative: I mean, they've never seen anything like it, it's original, right? Yes, you are right, it is original in that context - but it is not user-generated content. It was made by a computer. A program beep-booped the codes together and spit them out for you.

The same applies to pretty much any section. Having a program write you an essay, having a program generate terrain for you, filtering texture packs & skins (although that falls more under remixed content - remixing pieces of user-generated content that wasn't generated by you- if you user isn't you, it is remixed user-generated content, which is not allowed), it's all non-user generated content. It is program generated. It is "unoriginal".

I hope that this clarifies any issues that members have had with myself, or moderators in general, over the concern of the word "unoriginal". I'm learning just as much as you guys are - while writing this blog out, I realize exactly how much of a problem this actually is, and that the best option for us is to rename the "Unoriginal" field to either "Program-generated content" or "Non-user generated content". In theory, it should help the issue of moderators using the "Unoriginal" response when they should be using the "Remixed Content" response (in terms of wording, both technically mean the same thing, but again many moderators and members are looking at the word Unoriginal literally), and it should help ease those who get content removed in the future, as they should have a better understanding of exactly what part of the rule it breaks, rather than feeling that they are being accused of copying somebody else, or simply having their content removed for being "unimaginative".

I should also clarify that we do not remove content for being unimaginative. If you are re-making a concept that somebody else has done, you have full right to do so. We will NOTremove content for simply being a "copy" of a "concept"/"idea". This is not grounds for removal. Please do not report things for being "unoriginal" if they are simply ideas which are similar.
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  • Legendarian
  • Level 3
  • Apprentice Network
  • April 6, 2016, 6:15 am
Question out of curiousity, how do you detect a program-generated skin?
  • Creatizkit
  • Level 23
  • Expert Mountaineer
  • October 5, 2015, 6:33 am
This blog is unoriginal.                    xD
  • DouglasWarren
  • Level 20
  • Expert Mountaineer
  • October 21, 2014, 3:39 pm
gracias








( 3 cheers for 4th grade Spanish class!)
  • Oka Cola
  • Level 37
  • Artisan Sailor
  • July 11, 2016, 10:39 am
Gracias por este post! ( I realmente prestado atención en español ) :P
SO TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
  • pastrypuncher
  • Level 6
  • Apprentice Architect
  • March 18, 2014, 10:58 am
"A program beep-booped the codes together and spit them out for you."

Hehe.

As for "program-generated" content, I support you fully within the confines of PMC, however,  in the long run, I do plan to generate much (non-minecraft) content - with my own programs and art, of course. It fascinates me. All about scope, I suppose.
  • Stikbro
  • Level 11
  • Journeyman Dolphin
  • March 10, 2014, 4:59 pm
Thanks! Too bad I have a program-generated texture pack. Time to delete it.
Very nice! Has any unoriginal stuff been found by you?
In the middle of Original Content.  and Then, you forgot to put a space.
  • Erizu
  • Level 26
  • Expert Spider Rider
  • October 22, 2013, 12:08 pm
Very nice!
  • jedijoe_
  • Level 17
  • Journeyman Button Pusher
  • October 9, 2013, 3:31 pm
[color=rgb(34,34,34)][bgcolor=rgb(204,204,204)]It was made by a computer. A program beep-booped the codes together and spit them out for you[/bgcolor][/color]

that statement was funny
well... that would mean all my world painter creations i have to get rid of.... um my answer to that, no.
  • Paril
  • Developer
  • Level 81
  • Elite Scapegoat
  • September 21, 2013, 6:45 pm
I don't know what you're saying. This blog isn't asking a question, it's telling you how it is.
no my comment is the question and the answer
  • c165
  • Level 26
  • Expert Geek
  • September 12, 2013, 7:28 pm
Good blog.
can you write a simplified version below i find this confusing :3
  • JassyMC
  • Level 27
  • Expert Architect
  • September 4, 2013, 11:56 am
Uh, they're not going to rewrite it for you. Nothing much that concerns members with a small amount of posts, anyways. xD
  • th3ee3picmstr
  • Level 2
  • Apprentice Crafter
  • September 5, 2013, 7:10 am
very funny -.- i havn't posted much because i am trying to make something that will stand out so keep your jokes to your self - Which comes to the point of originality
  • JassyMC
  • Level 27
  • Expert Architect
  • September 5, 2013, 11:45 am
Not joking a whole lot. Just letting you know that one of the head moderators on PMC isn't going to rewrite one of their blogs in simpler terms to one individual. I'm sorry for making you mad.
  • Hazlf
  • Level 18
  • Journeyman Nerd
  • January 13, 2016, 3:19 pm
You don't have to be so rude. th3ee3picmstr just dosen't understand, it's nothing to pounce on them about. Maby you should explain it, insted of being a little smart aleck. He just needs help, nothing big. Everyone needs help sometimes.
  • Mishoo
  • Level 3
  • Apprentice Artist
  • October 16, 2013, 4:57 am
Jassy dats really rude...
i have an idea stolen is onoriginal now thats final!
  • Nianor
  • Level 11
  • Journeyman Taco
  • August 21, 2013, 1:10 pm
What happened to this pacific rim mod that was floating out there? It was a W.I.P, and from what I could see the other pacific rim mod was MUCH lower quality, but one day I see it as flagged and the next I can't find it. Please explain. I saw the mod and got so exited, then it just... vanished.
  • Paril
  • Developer
  • Level 81
  • Elite Scapegoat
  • August 21, 2013, 2:30 pm
It wasn't a mod, it was an idea. As our rules state, ideas go in forums.
  • Nianor
  • Level 11
  • Journeyman Taco
  • August 21, 2013, 4:04 pm
It had progress stated in it.
  • Paril
  • Developer
  • Level 81
  • Elite Scapegoat
  • August 21, 2013, 4:10 pm
Until it has a download, it's an idea. Him and I discussed it and worked it out, it isn't really your concern.
  • Nianor
  • Level 11
  • Journeyman Taco
  • August 21, 2013, 10:24 pm
You guys may have worked it out, and I'm glad to hear that, but I was looking forward to it. Is he still working on it?
  • Paril
  • Developer
  • Level 81
  • Elite Scapegoat
  • August 21, 2013, 10:59 pm
Probably. I don't know.
  • Hobojimmeh
  • Level 45
  • Master Architect
  • July 31, 2013, 12:11 pm
Interesting blog :D
  • MCJapanga
  • Level 43
  • Master Necromancer
  • July 30, 2013, 11:27 am
Hey Paril i sent you a Personal Message of some Ideas.
HELP PARIL!!!
I lost my account and made a new one and have somehow lost that one too (It says email is incorrect[size=10pt])[/size]
Account 1: fighterbunny
Acc 2: fighterbunny II

Anyway.. I obviously now want to either get them back or re-upload my projects... I tried but PMC recognized my skins and uhmm can u do something?
I would prefer it if i could have my orig. account back! If you cant do that then delet my skins from PMC on my original user and then I can re-upload them.

-fighterbunny_ =]
  • Paril
  • Developer
  • Level 81
  • Elite Scapegoat
  • May 28, 2013, 3:58 pm
PM me your email. It's probably just the wrong email.
ok, but i had only one email when i made my firs[size=10pt]t account :P[/size]
Spot on and very straight-forward! Good job explaining it all honey <3
  • Paril
  • Developer
  • Level 81
  • Elite Scapegoat
  • May 28, 2013, 3:58 pm
<3
:O
O_o
  • Nianor
  • Level 11
  • Journeyman Taco
  • August 21, 2013, 1:06 pm
*.*
  • Proud_Aussie
  • Level 7
  • Apprentice Farmer
  • October 4, 2013, 2:57 am
:O
??
MEEP
  • Yosher4290
  • Level 14
  • Journeyman Network
  • March 23, 2014, 10:01 am
They in a relationship. Does that explain it?
What about if i write a program which generates content for me ?

(For example; i have programs which Ray-Trace my Minecraft scenes to produce better imagery; i use heuristic argorithms to help me compact my circuits and i have even written a new Redstone designer which automatically handles the construction of efficiant data bussing.)

It sounds to me like the term un-original should be replaced here with something like 'Non-Stochastic' or 'very-low in entropy'.
  • Paril
  • Developer
  • Level 81
  • Elite Scapegoat
  • May 17, 2013, 6:40 am
We replaced it with "program-generated content".
If a program is generating the placement of your blocks, it is likely going to be considered program-generated content.

-P
To me, the problem is PMC is so popular and there's so many posts, if you make something that you made up yourself, just by coincidence someone else has that part/inspiration.
  • Paril
  • Developer
  • Level 81
  • Elite Scapegoat
  • April 27, 2013, 9:04 am
It happens, yeah. That's why I wrote this post.
paril i was wondering if i made a mob arena with other mini games would it be stolen? and unoriginal because it took quite a while to make and i dont want i t to be unorigonal
  • Paril
  • Developer
  • Level 81
  • Elite Scapegoat
  • April 25, 2013, 4:51 pm
If you don't steal from another user, you're fine.
Paril this guy posted a skin made by linken www.planetminecraft.com/skin/viking-1762885/
  • ezanrki
  • Level 43
  • Master Gent
  • March 1, 2013, 1:44 pm
Well when reporting stolen projects, I always flag them as unoriginal because i figured that is what they are, original content uploaded again makes it unoriginal right? i guess not. in that case, what would be the appropriate category to flag stolen projects under? Duplicate?
  • Paril
  • Developer
  • Level 81
  • Elite Scapegoat
  • March 1, 2013, 1:46 pm
Remixed Content.

-P
  • Jeanine
  • Level 7
  • Apprentice Explorer
  • March 1, 2013, 9:04 am
Its just the teen skins that bug me....
  • Blitzgrutel
  • Level 35
  • Artisan Engineer
  • February 27, 2013, 12:46 am
Coooooooooooooooo! So here, legit IS considered!!!
  • taa1taa
  • Level 64
  • High Grandmaster Blob
  • February 27, 2013, 9:53 pm
i think you forgot to add "L" to the end of your long long word "Cool"...
  • Blitzgrutel
  • Level 35
  • Artisan Engineer
  • February 28, 2013, 12:15 am
lololol yea!!!
  • taa1taa
  • Level 64
  • High Grandmaster Blob
  • February 28, 2013, 1:34 am
xD
  • doom_w0lf
  • Level 13
  • Journeyman Cake
  • April 2, 2013, 7:08 pm
coooooooooooooooo. coooo indeed.

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