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avatar gamermanh
Level 27 : Expert Nerd
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This may start with a short story about something that happened to me, but it is in NO WAY about what happened to me, I honestly don't care that it happened to me, since it IS against the rules. This blog addresses the fact that it IS against the rules, and its point is to bring the community's attention to it, I'm really curious to everyone's opinions. No, I am not out to change the site, I highly doubt that would be possible. Again, I just want to see people's ideas and try and provide possible explanations and bring up certain doubts and whatnot.

So, for over six months I have run a pretty successful server, with our ups and downs. I have put as much work into it as anyone who runs any other server. We are not Hamachi, we are not some other stupid Network setup, but we ARE cracked. Why? To pander to the many GREAT users who can't buy Minecraft for one reason or another. I was once that person, I had no way to buy online, but a friend finally purchased me the game, so I made my server cracked.

A few months into the time running the server (and full website and community along with it), I decided to upload the server to this site's server page. I remember quite clearly reading the submissions page, and it only warned against Hamachi servers, not cracked. Had it warned against cracked, I would not have uploaded it.(I've gotten different times from different Site Mods, and different times from my friends and users. So I don't even know anymore, though that's not the point of this post.)

Time goes on and all I do is bump the server once a day, keep it's information up-to-date, and occasionally post something in the forums or a blog. Then I get a notification that my server was removed due to the "no cracked servers" submission rule.

Ok, so they aren't allowed. A lot of people will just accept this and move on. Not me. Why? Well...

Why not allow cracked servers? They require the SAME amount of work that a normal server does to own and operate. They have the same ideas behind them as other servers do, and I know PLENTY of cracked servers that are better off than normal non-offline mode servers.

Is it because they don't want to endorse the use of cracked servers? Perhaps... but if this were truly the case, why would they allow you to post it in a forums section still on the site? So, it can't possibly be that. After recieving a reply to my inquiry, I have found this is their answer. However, Mojang themselves offers the ability to set a server to "Offline Mode", so it is a valid part of normal MC, thus being deserving of a place equal to any Online mode server.

Notch himself has stated more than once that pirating is ok, in more than one place and it is well known his stance on it. A big thanks goes out to Crimedog for giving me this link, where Notch himself says "Pirate it" when someone mentions they can't afford the game: NOTCH If the biggest name in Minecraft supports them, how can they be a bad thing for Minecraft?

This is pointless segregation, forcing owners of cracked servers to post in an inferior, lesser-known section for the exact same amount of work and creativity, as well as the same additions to the MC community. You could have a cracked server, and only get Premium users, and still be removed for being cracked.

Why are cracked servers targeted so harshly, when WAY more submission rules by other types of servers are broken and way easier to see (no illegal roleplaying, 100% your own content, etc.)

Blocking Cracked servers is truly comparable to blocking anything that someone used WorldEdit to help them with. It's silly and pointless.

And if they still want to separate them, fine by me, but make it another "servers" section, don't take someone's equal work and shove it into a hole because it's got ONE different setting. I have been sent about 5 different server listing sites that do this, and simply state "While we do not endorse Cracked users, we do recognize that Mojang has put this setting in there, and that Offline servers are legit servers." And, in other places. they put up multiple disclaimers saying that they do not support pirating Minecraft, they just support that there are servers that do allow cracked users.

Also, PMC claims to not do anything about what goes on ON the servers. Being a cracked server only effects what's happening ON a server, so this rule somewhat clashes with another statement.

To continue my support of the cracked servers of the world,I would like to bring up another point that has crossed my mind, how do they know if you're actually a cracked server? What if you simply don't state the server's offline mode status here on their site, and just upload it? Surely the server would go unknown until it was reported, or someone who could remove it joined your server to see if it was cracked or not. But, doing that would also invalidate the "we are not responsible for what goes on on the actual servers" rule, if they did log on just for that. So, that must mean you can simply not state its status and you should be golden.

Or, could you create a sort of "HUB server" that was premium only, forcing offline users to connect directly to each server, and advertise the HUB server? There are quite a few holes in this "no cracked" thing, as far as I can tell.

It's getting hard to write in new colors for new updates, but I think I haven't used this one yet. My new point here is that offline servers can still be played on when minecraft.net is down, allowing players to play no matter what the situation is! I even found a plugin on bukkit that pings minecraft.net, and if it isn't allowing people to log in, it remembers your IP from previous joins and assigns you your account! Online servers wouldn't allow that!

Had to open my mouth that I wasn't going to edit this again, huh? I have since RETURNED it to cracked status, and am currently fighting a bunch of people as to why I've done it. Mainly due to my new host, but I also believe that users who play cracked on truly GOOD servers (as I'm told mine is), can lead to them buying the game. I can't tell how many users have joined my server cracked, and have bought the game since then, stating that it was the quality of the server, as well as other servers they played on, that got them to buy the game. THIS will probalby be my last edit, sorry that I lied last time!

This will be my final edit before I permanently finish this blog, and stop updating it. I have since removed my server's cracked status due to some other issues arising, but I did create another server a lot like the first that is cracked, for all of my cracked users. This is another option for us cracked server owners, we could just make another server that's cracked, make one premium, and upload the premium one to sites like this,

I'm trying to update this with better grammar and clearer meanings (Some people are misreading what I mean when I say it, which is just how I write sometimes). If you see spelling/grammar/some other error, feel free to tell me!

Think I'm right? Give me a Diamond to show your support for our cracked server brethren!

This has been fun to type up for everyone who read it, and I hope you all got something from it. If you'd like other people to read it, or find that you agree with me, you can still throw diamonds and comments and the like at it, it DID take me a long time to get all my ideas into it, after all. I'll no longer be adding any more to it, as I am totally out of ideas and thing that no more can possibly come to me. I'll try and come up with more thought-promoting blogs such as this in the future, and if you like them you can subscribe to me and see them when I upload them.


Again, thank you for reading this!
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01/12/2013 4:53 am
Level 25 : Expert Scribe
FalloutNV4eva
I never quite thought of this topic that way. Thank you much for shedding light on my foggy view.
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01/10/2013 12:42 am
Level 5 : Apprentice Zombie
Crimedog
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01/10/2013 12:56 am
Level 27 : Expert Nerd
gamermanh
This is the link I've been looking for! Thank you for this, adding it in right now!
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01/10/2013 1:12 am
Level 5 : Apprentice Zombie
Crimedog
Haha no problem :P
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01/10/2013 1:20 am
Level 27 : Expert Nerd
gamermanh
Just for that you have a new subscriber
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01/10/2013 1:27 am
Level 5 : Apprentice Zombie
Crimedog
awesome
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12/27/2012 9:16 am
Level 53 : Grandmaster Kitten
G-Fiti
Cracked servers have been not allowed for at least one year now. The submission rules clearly say:

"Do not Upload: Cracked and Hamachi servers, they go here"

If you want to get taken serious, don't start your post by alleging that we suddenly changed the rule. The rule has been like that for a long time now. We did not suddenly change it.
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12/28/2012 2:32 am
Level 27 : Expert Nerd
gamermanh
I'm not arguing times on that rule anymore, I've gotten different replies from different mods here and other user that I know and can trust. That wasn't the point of it anyway, if you read the whole thing.

I understand that that's how it came across, but it really wasn't.

If my point was to argue my removal or anything of the sorts I wouldn't even bother staying on the site, would I?

;P
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12/25/2012 11:13 pm
Level 35 : Artisan Dragon
Clue
I personally think the system is entirely valid, premium servers that contend to people who do not pirate the game get more publicity than those who allow pirates onto their server, supporting people to not buy the game. Whether Notch said he didn't mind or whether he didn't is somewhat irrelevant, as this is PMC's person stance, and it's personal stance is defensive of Minecraft. If people stopped paying for Minecraft, and more people used crack rather than buying the game, it would cause detrimental effects, decreasing not only the lifetime of Minecraft, but the lifetime of PMC itself.
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12/26/2012 12:21 pm
Level 27 : Expert Nerd
gamermanh
People are going to do that anyway, and pirating actually is a good thing. If I recall a report I once read back when SOPA was coming around, it said something like:
"Pirating brings people to programs that they otherwise wouldn't have purchased anyway. Through use of these pirated services, they have a higher chance of purchasing it. If not, then there's no detrimental effect to the people providing/selling the service, as that person wouldn't have purchased the software in the first place."
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12/25/2012 10:28 am
Level 12 : Journeyman Dragon
jboy4190
You shouldn't have a cracked server because then it will encourage people to get Minecraft for free than mojang will not be able to afford to keep minecraft running and then minecraft will be merely an idea, history, unplayabe. Do you want that?
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12/25/2012 8:39 pm
Level 27 : Expert Nerd
gamermanh
again, Mojang themselves have put this option here
They endorse it themselves, it was Notch's own idea
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12/25/2012 4:36 am
Level 39 : Artisan Engineer
Rawwk
I remember a tweet from Notch saying if you couldn't afford Minecraft, you may pirate it.

But, as I have premium and used to use cracked Minecraft, I play on Cracked survival Minecraft cause CSS are really better then the other, but event servers like CTF, SG, etc are online.

Plus when the minecraft servers are down for premium, you can click offline, and go on the cracked servers.
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12/25/2012 1:00 am
Level 37 : Artisan Archer
CEF15
I know why. Because downloading a cracked version of the game is illegal. Plain and simple. Notch says on every Minecraft copy "Do not distribute". This is what you do when you download a cracked copy of the game. I think PMC doesn't want these servers because it could affect their relationship with Mojang for supporting them. Now, when www.minecraft.net is offline, being a cracked server is fine, but when it isn't it is illegally giving illegal players free Minecraft.
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12/25/2012 4:47 pm
Level 17 : Journeyman Prince
EPICMAN4242
www.qj.net/pc-gaming/news/notch-encourages-minecraft-piracy.html

Notch supports pirating the game assuming you can't afford it.
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12/28/2012 5:08 pm
Level 37 : Artisan Archer
CEF15
If you can afford a computer, you can afford Minecraft.
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12/25/2012 1:05 am
Level 27 : Expert Nerd
gamermanh
The whole point of the "Cracked" or "Offline" server is for people IN offline mode.
After all, Mojang themselves have put that option into their servers, so by having it IN that mode, we are still following Mojang's rules.
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12/25/2012 1:10 am
Level 37 : Artisan Archer
CEF15
Like I said, it's fine for when www.minecraft.net is down, but that is meant to be the only reason to use it. Also, many people use it as a insidious way to gain access to minecraft multiplayer for free.
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12/24/2012 11:06 pm
Level 29 : Expert Fisherman
BattlingApollo
In the Rules of Submissions, it says that cracked servers go here. PlanetMinecraft must have a reason on not allowing cracked servers for submissions, you should go ask. Also, just as a note your violating one of the rules of blogs. It says:

No "Diamond If You Agree/think it's a good idea" posts

You can find it here.
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12/24/2012 11:21 pm
Level 27 : Expert Nerd
gamermanh
Did I not quite clearly state that I know it's against the rules? I did. And I have asked, and am waiting on a reply.
The whole point of this is to bring into light how stupid it is that servers that require the same (if not more) amount of work have to be put to a worse place just because they're "Cracked" here is nowhere near as nice as the "Servers" tab, and is not the place for servers that people have spent months working on to bring to the community

Actually, it says:
"Do not bribe, force or otherwise coerce other users into diamonding/favouriting/commenting on your submissions:
Give me a diamond for diamonds/money/rewards in-game
Give me a diamond to support me / make me work quicker
If I get X diamonds I will put up a download/put up next part
Give a Diamond if you download
If I get enough diamonds I might make more"
Quite obviously, Diamonding because you agree or think it's a good idea is the whole POINT of the diamond.
I also edited the part that could be misconstrued to be breaking those rules, as that is not what I meant by it
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12/25/2012 12:05 am
Level 29 : Expert Fisherman
BattlingApollo
If you don't like this, and get an un-suitable answer from a moderator, don't use PMC for cracked servers.
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12/25/2012 11:15 am
Level 1 : New Miner
4v3n63r2
Battling you are really stupid. Since when he was FORCING someone to DIAMOND this? Go back to Pre-School Friend, PRE SCHOOL
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12/25/2012 6:28 pm
Level 29 : Expert Fisherman
BattlingApollo
I was referring to this.

Do not Upload:
  • Content you did not write/make yourself
  • Single wallpapers/backgrounds/art. They should all be posted in one compilation blog.
  • Stuff that should be in the forums (and not blogs): Contests, shops, questions, giveaways, subscriber celebrations, discussion, recruitment etc
  • Artwork that isn't PMC or Minecraft related.
  • Blacklists against players/users
  • Slander against another user, If you have a problem with a User or Moderator contact a(nother) Moderator.
  • Servers, Servers get posted in the Server section.
  • YouTube Channel Announcements
  • Submission Advertisements. That is what a submission description is for
  • No "Diamond If You Agree/think it's a good idea" posts
  • Don't provide links to snapshots/pre-releases, MCForums are the place for pre-releases/snapshots.


And you stated:

Think I'm right? Give me a diamond to show your support for our cracked server brethren!
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12/25/2012 12:52 am
Level 27 : Expert Nerd
gamermanh
wow, you're stupid. Learn to read
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12/25/2012 6:35 pm
Level 9 : Apprentice Skinner
UntamableOcelot
Does BattlingApollo not know how to read? He's not the one stupid here. "Think I'm right?" is basically saying "Do you agree to my idea?", which breaks the rule...
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12/25/2012 8:55 pm
Level 27 : Expert Nerd
gamermanh
Ocelot is right here, that has absolutely no broken rules in it. I actually say to diamond to show your support for other people.
And the other rule states:
"Give me a diamond to support me / make me work quicker" See how it says ME? I'm not asking for any support, it's not ME I'm posting for nor about
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12/24/2012 10:55 pm
Level 9 : Apprentice Crafter
R_B98
I understand what you say as my friend has this problem but the reason PMC has said no to cracked servers is because many people use the cracked minecraft so they don't have to pay for a game
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12/24/2012 11:04 pm
Level 27 : Expert Nerd
gamermanh
"Is it because they don't want to endorse the use of cracked servers?
Perhaps... but if this were truly the case, why would they allow you to
post it in a forums section still on the site? So, it can't possibly be
that."
And again, they still allow premium users to join. If they're going to give us a crappy post section, why not just give us the same treatment on another page?
"seperate but equal"
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12/25/2012 12:05 am
Level 9 : Apprentice Crafter
R_B98
Whoa if what I said sounded hostile it was unintentional I was just sayin but back on topic I do want equal rights to both people
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12/24/2012 10:50 pm
Level 1 : New Miner
AddictedGamer97
I do agree with this Post and the PMC Server Guidelines should be changed once again to allow offline (cracked) servers because they take as much time and effort to run as a normal server does. But Hamachi can stay banned. Cracked servers are the same just they dont allow people with premium accounts to play.

I Disagree with PMC on this Vote
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12/24/2012 10:52 pm
Level 27 : Expert Nerd
gamermanh
it ALSO allows people to play when minecraft.net is down, which is what I'm doing right now on my server
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