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Fact and Opinion - A Score to Settle

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Hi guys, Greytopher here with a blog about opinion and fact (Note, this is indeed a rant, so just preparing you guys for what might be said down below). I will explain the obvious difference to those who don't know it too well, and also give you real MC examples down below. I hope you all enjoy, my first rant in quite some time.

Telling Someone They're Wrong on Their Opinion...

So, recently I've been trying to help others with problems on other servers. I have close friends who are Admins/Moderators on servers, but can't really get done what they think is right for the server. Seeing that they can't get much accomplished, I try to step in. The problem I see is, there are three seprate groups. One has their own opinion, and so does the other two. They don't even attempt to try and comprimise. Endless bickering on all three sides of the argument. No wonder nothing is getting done, everything they stand for has fallen, and it looks as if it can't be helped without a reform of the members that cause the most trouble.

Then, something that my friend told me sickened me. He said he was fighting with two others over a Skype IM (instant message), and one of them, what they said, really ticked me off. "No. What you believe in is wrong. We're right, and you're just plain wrong. Face the facts, bro."

Wait, what? If I read that correctly (I think I did), then they flat out said that his opinion on the argument is wrong. I honestly don't care what kind of a person you are, you could be someone who's saved the world at one point, but it doesn't matter at this point. You just said, what that person believed in, was wrong. I think he needs a lesson on the difference between an opinion and fact.

Fact - Something Written in Stone...

To help out to good ol' chap that doesn't know the difference, a fact is something that can be supported thorougly with evidence. It's something that we know is true. Something that is agreed on, and for the most part, is a true statement. For instance, Minecraft is a game. That is a fact. What isn't a fact, is someone's opinion, but we'll get to that later. A fact is to know something for sure. To know something is completely right, and everyone can agree with it (mostly). In Minecraft, a fact would be, that you use blocks to build. The whole game is made out of little blocks you can use to create. That wouldn't be an opinion, though.

To get back on topic, their argument (to be fair, on all sides) were invalid, coming from an outside source. It was about rank of power, what to do with the server, how to gain more players, ect. No matter who came up with an idea, someone always shot it down. Why? Because they were on the opposing side, not that they disagreed. They obviously have had arguments in the past, and watching them fight like this seemed unruly.

But, that doesn't change the fact that what they said was 'fact'. I was in no sides of this argument, only tried to find a resolution to it. Even so, they didn't try to find a resolution because they were so ignorant and self concious about themselves and their reputation with others. So the bickering kept on going.

Opinion - Somone's Views on a Topic, But It May Not Be Always Agreeable...

An opinion is what someone thinks about a certain topic, but not always agreeable. For instance, if I say 'I like Minecraft' it's my opinion that I do. Others can say 'I don't like Minecraft' because it's their opinion to not like it. Stepping into this conversation was hard, because I had to turn three different opposing minds to think clearly. How do you make them think clearly, you may ask? There are a couple of ways to do so.

Even though it may not be right, threatening their rank may do the trick. If I were the owner of the server, let's say, to stop the fighting I would threaten to demote whoever was causing the most trouble out of the three groups. This way, it would shut up all three groups in fear of losing their own rank (in all selfishness). It may stop them from voicing their own biased opinion, but it's one way to shut someone up.

Another, more agreeable way to stop parties from arguing over who's opinion is 'right' is to find a compromise. In this case, it may not work, but in others, here's how it works: You listen to all sides of the argument. You try to find the best way (if possible) to make all parties happy with the decision that is suppost to be made. If that works, then congratulations. It's a hell of a lot worse if you can't find a compromise, trust me.

Grey, How Does This Relate to Minecraft or PMC?

Great question, whoever you are. Fact and opinion are two things that happen in our every day life, especially in PMC and Minecraft. PMC, a website that needs moderating on, needs moderators that can compromise with players when removing/disabling submissions. Moderators are chosen (I think) based on how they act around people, to see how social and if they can work well with others. If you can for the most part, then you've passed the most basic test there is.

Minecraft is filled with compromises and opinions. As the whole story above states, you need a functioning group for any server to work. If you need help on a build, someone can explain their opinion on how to make it better. Say if you need a rate for a creative server, you need a helpful staff who knows what he/she is doing in order for your build to become better. For survival/PvP sometimes, you have opinionated battles against a group of hackers that may not actually be hackers since you have a biased opinion against them over one small thing.

Either way, I don't want people yelling at me about how unrelated the topic is at hand. Read before you speak, it's the best you can do in any situation.

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12/07/2012 12:50 am
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One problem with this post. "Minecraft is a game" *gasp* No! Minecraft is a way of life! XD
12/01/2012 8:31 pm
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I completely agree, people mix up fact and opinion way too much. An opinion can in fact be wrong morally, but not as in it is not true. "I believe Satan rules everything!" It might be a bit wrong morally, but you can't say what someone believes in is wrong, especially in something as mysterious and puzzling as religion. And actually, saying something is wrong is an opinion in itself. And by the way, I am an atheist, not a Satanist. Just thought I'd clear that up.
11/29/2012 3:02 pm
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Great blog! I tip my theoretical hat to you too, sir!
11/29/2012 2:46 pm
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Great Blog Grey :D
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11/28/2012 7:14 pm
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everyone is entitled to their own opinions...
but not their own facts :)
11/28/2012 2:18 am
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Fact: Greytopher writes blogs.
Opinion: Greytopher writes incredibly awesome blogs.

Fact: Greytopher is epic.
11/28/2012 5:57 pm
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Fact: Wonderful subscribers are wonderful <333
11/29/2012 6:21 pm
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Fact: Greytopher is an awesome blog writer, so that's why I subscribed to him!
11/27/2012 9:50 pm
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I absolutely HATE the people who are like "lol what i say is right and what you say is wrong". Unless one of the items in questions is absolute, 100% KNOWN FACT, then it is not possible to claim it as wrong. It's like saying the moon is made of cheese. The moon is not made of cheese, so it is wrong. But what if someone said "I think that the moon is hollow" (Which, by the way, actually is in question) is opinion, because nobody is truly 100% sure, and instead of saying "The moon is hollow", he said "I think the moon is hollow". The former shows a incorrect fact, and the latter shows a (hopefully) well-informed unbiased opinion. I really don't understand why our education has failed (to some degree) in teaching people this very simple part of life. It's so simple, yet we neglect it in all ways...

Diamonded & Faved (once I learn how to favorite things). Have fun writing your blogs - I always find them amazingly truthful!
11/29/2012 9:25 am
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Somewhat free interpretation to protect everybody against a very long reply:

Descartes: The only irrefutable fact is, there must a self to question the self.
Hume: As an imperiscist he didn't believe there was a self, since the self can't be measured. Therefore he direved at pretty much the conclusion that there are no certainties at all.
Kant: Tries to unify descartes as well as hume, in his philosophy, introducing the frame of reference pretty much. As Kant was a fan of science, he couldn't life with Hume's philosophy, as it makes science pointless.

A very very important part of science nowaday is falsifiability , scholars are tought to don't take stuff as fact... In your case, the moon being of cheese, maybe not by your definition.... What is cheese? What is "the" moon?

You applied your own frame of reference to opinions kind sir. You are wandering in a minefield :) Arguably there are no facts at all. That's why we have confidence ratios in science :) i can state with 99.99% certainty that the moon of the earth, as defined on wikipedia, is not made of cheese, as defined on wikipedia. But it's not a garantee that it's not.
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