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avatar SourC00kie
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You just upload a submission and you put TONS of effort into it.

You get greeted by loads of up-votes because you truly deserve it for how much effort you put into the submission. However over time you are greeted by a couple of down-vote trolls that will ruin your moment of happiness.

Down-voting is a big deal when it comes to submissions. To get to the highlight reel (which is the goal of many people who upload submissions) you need to have a good size of likes, comments and favorites. Even if you have over twenty likes and ten dislikes, your submission will suffer. The more dislikes there are, the faster the project will be kicked from the highlight reel. Most of the time, that isn't fair. People put in many hours of work on projects, skins and texture packs only to be greeted by down-vote trolls.

Down-vote trolls are people that down-vote submissions just for the fun of it and they have no reason on why they did that. They think it's fun and love to see submissions suffer because of their crucial down-vote. It's true, submissions DO suffer from those nasty trolls.

Even if your likes outnumber your dislikes by over fifteen, there is still a MAJOR chance that your submission can be kicked from the highlight reel. I'm not saying that's the end of the world, however the highlight reel of submissions is a HUGE deal because that is the main thing that attracts users to the submission. If you put in tons of effort in your submission and you KNOW you deserve to be treated with the luxury of being on the highlight reel, it's very sad to see down-voters ruin that experience for you.

You see this in many categories but mainly the 'Skins' category. There is loads of hate there because people fight like animals for their skins to be featured on the highlight reel or homepage. Literally, like animals. They send people to dislike other people's submissions just so theirs can have a small chance of getting featured.

It really angers me to see how unfair any community is. No matter what you can NEVER get away from down-voters no matter how hard you try. They will always find a way to come back.

How Do You Think This Can Be Stopped?

What I think Cyprezz could do is implement a type of "survey" on why someone disliked. They have to enter a PROPER reason why they disliked the submission and if it is not proper, Moderators can take their votes away. Other people think that Cyprezz should all in all just remove the whole dislike section but that wouldn't be fair. Some submissions DESERVE a bad rating.

Well this is just my take on this and I would be interested to see yours. Thanks.
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What happened to the down-vote option?
  • Mayz
  • Level 46
  • Master Bunny
  • October 25, 2011, 4:39 pm
Tell you The Truth I Don't Really Care About
People Down-Voting My Stuff As Long As I Like It
That Was So Cheesy.....
  • Krova
  • Level 21
  • Expert Dragon
  • October 19, 2011, 10:12 am
I agree that a lot of downvotes are unncessary. I received a lot of downvotes for my article entitled The New Rules of Minecraft which I'm sure were due to people not reading to the end. It's a satire, but people kept taking it seriously.
  • Skonth
  • Level 28
  • Expert Blockhead
  • October 11, 2011, 3:08 pm
OMG, so much repetition... You could make this 2 paragraphs no problem.
  • Excision
  • Level 26
  • Expert Miner
  • October 7, 2011, 11:58 pm
@Moderators taking away votes

This will probably take to much time and distract the mods from doing what they should be doing.
that's true... maybe Cyprezz should set aside some honest users to be submission moderators...?
Like stopping trolls? trolls are everywhere from the forums to the chat to the comments to the... DOWNVOTES!!!
  • Tharesan
  • Level 39
  • Artisan Unicorn
  • October 7, 2011, 11:56 pm
I don't let the downvotes bother me, so I'm not eager for any changes really. But if you come up with a great solution then go for it! Nice blog btw, I approve.
  • Nefashus
  • Retired Moderator
  • Level 80
  • Elite Architect
  • October 7, 2011, 3:44 pm
My projects get allways down votes :$

Also someone gave all (nearly all) my project a down vote, and why? I don't get it :|
some people just do that. I don't know why, they just do it.
Because he's a troll. You probably reported one of his troll posts once, and this is how he's getting his revenge.
  • Nefashus
  • Retired Moderator
  • Level 80
  • Elite Architect
  • January 21, 2012, 9:33 am
:)
  • piemanjake97
  • Level 15
  • Journeyman Engineer
  • October 7, 2011, 1:30 pm
You know you are really smart
  • JakeIsDaBest1
  • Level 52
  • Grandmaster Herobrine
  • October 7, 2011, 8:53 am
It also sucks when people steal the thing you've worked hard on and upload it as there own, then vote yours down and get more view/downloads.
  • Neroxyl
  • Level 56
  • Grandmaster Senpai
  • October 7, 2011, 7:07 am
:I my projects suffer from it shamefully :(
  • ChrisPerson
  • Level 38
  • Artisan Network
  • October 7, 2011, 5:49 am
OK, I like the idea, except there are 2 flaws:

1. Not everybody who uses the downvote button is a troll.. Most people use the dislike button for a genuine purpose, rather than just trolling.

2. It would require too much time to fill out a survey just to say you you dislike this project

Here's what I propose:

When you click on the dislike arrow, a small poll pops up asking why you disliked the project. You cannot skip this poll, only cancel the downvote. The options would be "Poorly made" "Messy looking" "Too simplistic" "Does not work", with check boxes so you could select more than one. The opposites of these questions will be on an identical "Why do you like this post" poll, except you can skip this one.

The user who uploaded the project/skin/texturepack will be able to view the poll (just like Minecraft Forums poll) of why people disliked it, and the results of the "Like" poll, with both polls showing who voted for each category, and the number of users who voted.

To prevent the Mods and Admins having to read every poll, users can choose to report a user for "Malicious Voting", if they feel it is justified. Example: If a hypothetical user "Mr.Downvote" dislikes your project in the category of "Messy looking", when nobody else downvoted at all (or at least in that category) you can report him for that, a Mod/Admin will review the report, and he will probably be given a warning or banned.

That's what I propose, because it's a lot simpler that SourC00kie's method, and it allows those downvote trolls to be banned, and at the same time, it gives feedback to the uploader on their project, so they can improve it, and it tells the uploader why people liked their project too, so they can expand on that.
WOW! that is a really good idea(s)!

(much better than just removing the downvote option like Cyprezz did...)
  • ChrisPerson
  • Level 38
  • Artisan Network
  • January 20, 2012, 7:18 pm
Thanks!
  • Zaralith
  • Retired Moderator
  • Level 57
  • Grandmaster Wizard
  • October 6, 2011, 8:40 pm
There have been many suggestions to the voting system. Some people say that making all votes attach your name would help. Some people think that forcing a reason would help. Some people think that downvotes should not be allowed at all. At this time, the only section that does not have votes is the Server section, because popular groups that ban rule breakers frequently get an unwarranted downvote and so servers have recommendations. One problem with having no downvotes however is that it is harder to find content that is crap. Everyone gets a few upvotes, even if the work is awful (I am looking at you mister scribble skins) This causes a great deal of difficulty because there are certain kinds of submissions like SourC00kie mentioned, that get downvoted to death, and the most popular things to get downvotes are stolen content, and content that is obviously against the rules/troll/utter crap. For the time being, I can see no system of changing the downvote that does not make the system less than it is by exposing people to retaliation. My personal suggestion for the system was more of an automated troll detection that I will not go into here. Cyprezz plans on posting something about this issue soon. Keep watch over that. While you are in the blog section (inserting shameless plug here) check out Zar's Info Series about some of the shiny new features coming to Minecraft, where I try to explain as much about them as I can.
  • UndeadYautja
  • Level 44
  • Master Architect
  • October 6, 2011, 6:26 pm
I think this should be taken into careful consideration, as a "reason" system that involves more time-spent in down-voting a submission. It would also help keep trolls at bay while they desperately come up with excuses for down-voting. Brilliant Idea.

Undead
  • JKConquerer
  • Level 36
  • Artisan Demolitionist
  • October 6, 2011, 6:07 pm
It is a serious issue when it comes to spending days working on a project or texture pack and people downvote it because they like the feeling of causing someone else's hard work to seem less appreciated
  • Terzaerian
  • Level 60
  • High Grandmaster Necromancer
  • October 6, 2011, 3:49 pm
Require feedback for an up or a down vote is a good idea. Just don't get rid of downvotes period.
  • Banane9
  • Level 27
  • Expert Engineer
  • October 6, 2011, 10:34 am
3 trolls were here .. >.<
  • Koa_Neuva
  • Level 83
  • Elite Baconator
  • October 5, 2011, 10:11 pm
For almost every upvote I get on my texture pack, I get a corresponding downvote. It's like someone is out there making fake accounts, just to downvote me again, and again, and again. The worst part about it is that as many downvotes that I have, I don't have a single real complaint about my texture pack, other than a few recommendations for alternative textures. I think what should happen, is for every downvote we make, we are required to leave a feedback comment for it that only the uploader can see, anonymously to the user, but not to admins. For everyone who has already submitted downvotes, we should have an area in our "My Account" section next to the "My Forum Inbox" that tells us how many downvotes we have made that we have not commented on. If we don't comment on them, the downvotes don't count toward anything, but are still listed on the submission as "unexplained downvotes," but not ever when searching for it, or being contested for popular stuff. If people leave comments about a submission like "it's stupid," or "why would I use that," they can get reported, and possibly banned. If comments like "this texture pack is a copy, I'm reporting it too," or "you stole this texture from me," and is true, it can stay. What'd also be helpful is the ability to comment on the comment, so that way issues could be worked out, and downvotes withdrawn. And even if the issue is resolved and the comment and downvote isn't withdrawn, you could report it for being a correction to a mistake, and both parties aren't slapped on the wrist for it, and the downvote is taken off. Also, if you report someone for leaving a valid comment, you have the possibility of getting your submission taken down, and even getting banned. I think that would highly deter downvote trolls, and promote a more positive community. Honestly, I don't think there would be any better way.

~Koa

P.S. I upvoted. :D
  • Pownage
  • Retired Moderator
  • Level 19
  • Journeyman Explorer
  • October 5, 2011, 7:22 pm
The thing about taking away downvotes might be difficult... First of all people on PMC up and downvote SOOOOOOO many things in one whole day making a ton more reports on pointless downvoting, second and lastly some guy could say that he didn't like the creation. Should that be taken away or kept because after all it IS hi opinion. It would almost be eliminating the freedom of speech thing. Very tough problem to sort out.
  • carvine1
  • Level 35
  • Artisan Dragon
  • October 5, 2011, 6:20 pm
lol cyprezz is in red... ( he might get a bad idea from it)
Admins names are in red.
  • Blanknot
  • Level 27
  • Expert Engineer
  • October 5, 2011, 5:17 pm
My project was disliked, and it's true; it hurts. A reason would have been nice. As a community, I think we can dilute the down trolls by always remembering to up-vote when we like something.
  • Scolez
  • Level 16
  • Journeyman Engineer
  • October 5, 2011, 9:53 am
Sooooo true! I wish I could see you down votes my stuff, so I can ask them why they did it. For my Texture Pack I am willing to change almost ANYTHING if someone requests it! (btw: can someone try it out and vote) http://www.planetminecraft.com/texture_pack/kristians-texture-pack/
  • charliecarlo
  • Level 62
  • High Grandmaster Alien
  • October 5, 2011, 8:22 am
Unfortunately this is one of the downsides of having an online community like this. Everything can't be perfect, and if people have the slightest capability of being a dick, they're going to be one. There's more reasons people down-vote things. Someone down-voted everything of mine because he didn't like it when I slapped him with reality. It's just the way things go on the Internet, especially when half the community is 12 years old. If you can''t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
  • ParaHaXz
  • Level 35
  • Artisan Pixel Painter
  • October 5, 2011, 7:43 am
He should remove the dislike option, if the submission doesn't deserve an up vote it won't get one. If they don't like the content or they are just trolling, they can't downvote so the most damage they can do is not vote at all.

The survey can easily be passed by the down voter using a reason which could be passed for.
  • Block_Fortress
  • Retired Moderator
  • Level 77
  • Legendary Unicorn
  • October 4, 2011, 11:18 pm
I couldn't agree more with this. I think a meeting should be held with some of the active popular project/skin/texture pack submitters as well as the global moderators. This just lets them know how much of a problem this is becoming. If the community isn't mature enough to not abuse the downvote system then it should be removed.
  • gwinans
  • Level 26
  • Expert Architect
  • October 4, 2011, 11:08 pm
So.. who decides what a proper reason is? Sorry, utopia doesn't exist.
  • SourC00kie
  • Retired Moderator
  • Level 44
  • Master Blob
  • October 5, 2011, 2:28 am
If you dislike something and say, "It sucks" with no criticism or any advice to make it better, than that should be considered improper.
yes ur right... but i got 1 vote down and he diddn't leave even any feedback why! so i like ur idea Cyprezz should implent that!
  • P0CKETLINT13
  • Level 21
  • Expert Demolitionist
  • October 4, 2011, 7:33 pm
1 person is a down-vote troll.
  • beasteye
  • Level 45
  • Master Droid
  • October 4, 2011, 5:14 pm
i agree but the problem is that there arnt enough moderators to moniter every downvote maby if it has more than 10 up votes they have to do a survey of seomthing.
  • Lycandar
  • Retired Moderator
  • Level 61
  • High Grandmaster Mage
  • October 4, 2011, 4:03 pm
absolutely agreed
  • HappyEmoKid1
  • Level 32
  • Artisan Blockhead
  • October 4, 2011, 3:32 pm
People have been down-voting my mod because they don't like the idea. That's not a reason to down-vote! A big (y) to you, sir!
  • thefungi
  • Level 55
  • Grandmaster Pixel Painter
  • October 4, 2011, 3:31 pm
lol, i love how your great at explaining how planet minecraft works. and someone even disliked this >>. why???
  • brandman
  • Level 31
  • Artisan Narwhal
  • October 4, 2011, 2:28 pm
I actually made a forum thread about this (if you remember, I think you posted in it). So yes I give a full 100% support for this. Just waiting for some trolls to downvote THIS. :/
  • SourC00kie
  • Retired Moderator
  • Level 44
  • Master Blob
  • October 4, 2011, 2:30 pm
Yeah would be quite funny if someone does dislike something that should help them.
  • Tminator
  • Level 39
  • Artisan Crafter
  • October 4, 2011, 4:55 pm
heads up someone did XD
  • brandman
  • Level 31
  • Artisan Narwhal
  • October 4, 2011, 2:36 pm
not really funny more than ironic.
THANK YOU !
  • pandaraze
  • Level 69
  • High Grandmaster Pyro
  • October 4, 2011, 1:26 pm
What I hate about down-votes is that they're temporary. Annoying to have down-votes on a good skin because some troll got jealous.
  • BENNETTMAN
  • Level 46
  • Master Narwhal
  • October 4, 2011, 1:05 pm
I think a form, in which you MUST give a reason for downvoting, should be added and show upon clicking the downvote button.

Then the said downvoter must have a real reason, and if a dumb one is given, this could then be taken up with staff, and possibly have the downvote revoked.
  • SourC00kie
  • Retired Moderator
  • Level 44
  • Master Blob
  • October 4, 2011, 1:07 pm
I actually said that if you read the whole blog. ;)
  • BENNETTMAN
  • Level 46
  • Master Narwhal
  • October 4, 2011, 1:10 pm
I did read the whole blog.

I was simply expanding on what you said, you know, in agreement?
  • SourC00kie
  • Retired Moderator
  • Level 44
  • Master Blob
  • October 4, 2011, 1:11 pm
Sorry, my rant senses were kicking in. Thought you just didn't see that. Carry on.
I hate pedanticy senses. they kick in with about half the blogs I read. (not naming posts)

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