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Why do people assume authors are all ripoffs?

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A lot of people read a book and immediately go "Oh, you ripped off such-and-such author with so-and-so passage because bla-bla-bla!" And frankly, it pisses me off. In the information age of google, it is hard to come up with original ideas, I understand that-but that doesn't mean it's bloody impossible.

I took some flak from another user (name withheld to be polite), for example, that a character I wrote a short-story on was a ripoff of Artemis Fowl. I can see what parallels he drew, but they are wrong.

Read the article here (and his/her comments) to understand the point I'm trying to make: www.planetminecraft.com/blog/sevastopol/

Did the author of the Hunger Games ripoff 1984? Did she steal from Valve's "Half Life" game series? That's all I could think when I was forced to read the book for school (yes, my school system is that bad)-and it wasn't a very nice thought. I couldn't enjoy the book because I was so blinded by my feelings about it-that it was a ripoff with no originality, and that it was boring, which it was, not to mention the author's many differences in opinion over what makes good writing. I'd say she's wrong, but her bank account would beg to differ-I couldn't enjoy it, and never will be able to.
Read this, and remember it next time you think an author stole another author's idea. (By the way: 1984 was a dystopian-set, big-brother, commie-scare book about a super strict society someone in the 60's-70's predicted the next decade[s] would bring)

Aleric Fowl isn't the billionaire criminal mastermind Artemis is. He's living on the street, and he isn't decisively smart; in this story, I would say he's about the average intelligence you can expect from a Freshman dropout.

[size=10pt]As for the original Aleric Fowl (The SciFi character), he wasn't a criminal, and he wasn't exceptionally smart; he was gifted at piloting.[/size]
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So no, neither Alerics are "Intelligent child-criminals."[/size]

[size=10pt]And it isn't hard to draw similarities like this for any literary character and say "Oh, such-and-such author ripped off so-and-so author."[/size]

[size=10pt]John Scalzi, who wrote the "Old Man's War" trilogy (which is amazing) had a character who didn't really want to fight a war go through shitty bootcamp and fight aliens he knew nothing about. His book came out not long after "The Forever War" by Joe Haldmen (I think!) is about a man put drafted into shitty bootcamp who fights aliens humanity knows nothing about.[/size]
[size=medium]In Old Man's War, the main character is taken from Earth and denied readmittance. In TFW, the main character can't return to earth because time-dilation (brought on my time-travel) caused him to age months well Earth aged centuries.[/size]

[size=medium]Should I go on?[/size]

[size=medium]Luke Skywalker rips off Finn the Half-Great, a nobody inbetween and nothing special child of a giant and a human who goes on to defeat a terrible evil and find true love. Of course the Irishman that wrote Finn the Half-Great did a job one million times better than Lucas.[/size]

[size=medium]Lara Croft does not like to kill, yet she risks her life and the lives of others just like Indiana Jones, who is in the same predicament (except Lora carries guns and he doesn't).[/size]

[size=medium]There's a book I read last summer (name forgotten) about a boy from our generation placed in a fantastical realm of magic and all that shazzle. Douglas Adam's main character in "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" is taken from earth and put into one of aliens and science, where everything is incredibly confusing and reshapes his understanding of life.[/size]

[size=medium]You see where I'm getting with this?[/size]
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01/13/2013 5:31 pm
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Applejaxc_B
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Yes. What is the problem?
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01/10/2013 7:18 pm
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I say your assumptions that my character takes from Aleric Fowl in name and idea are incorrect.
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01/13/2013 2:39 pm
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You noted my basic point, the premise of this conversation.
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01/10/2013 3:55 pm
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DioM, I only corrected the ones I read. On this article, I've read but two. I have read all that I replied to on the last. :)

And my pride? How so? (If there's something I'm doing wrong, I'd like it corrected before it became a problem)
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01/10/2013 4:10 pm
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Your replies? You've sort of given a nod to my first and third comment, but only in the most general sense.

You've said all I've written was incorrect. When you say this, you're including the comments of mine you haven't read yet.
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01/08/2013 4:46 pm
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@_DioM_ This isn't about you; I wrote this because it's an issue that honestly bugs me, and you inspired me to actually write something.
So thank you? (This wasn't meant to insult you or anything. Don't worry!)

In fact this was also written so more people would read my story. Honestly, that was a motivation. I won't lie.
But the primary purpose was to share my thoughts on plagiarism-and what is isn't.

You wrote like 3 comments, all of them wrong. I'll make a proper reply when I have time to read the second two. :)
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01/08/2013 5:27 pm
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I look forward to seeing your comeback. Your pride shows through, possibly ungrounded confidence? How do you know my comments are incorrect, if you admit to reading but the first? I'm puzzled.
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01/08/2013 12:48 am
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So.. I was that commenter, and I wasn't assuming too much of anything.

I saw a few similarities with your story, and pointed them out. Okay, okay; maybe I was wrong in some respects.

But here's where it gets interesting: just a few hours before you posted this article, I'd sent you a PM, rebuking you for a vulgar, insulant post. (That a mod ended up editing. For others reading, those insults were not directed at me. Just to keep things clear.)

But anyways!
You were already annoyed at me.

I did not immediately go (as you wrote) "Oh, you ripped off such-and-such author with so-and-so passage because bla-bla-bla!" I read what you had to say, and drew my own conclusion.

Oh, and I know what 1984 is. :)

In my original comment, I said:

You describe your character in a similar way.

Your name is quite close.

You use the same 'intelligent, child criminal' premise.
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01/08/2013 12:58 am
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My last point was attacked by you, but none of the others were. I find that interesting.
Oh, and I wasn't talking about 'the original Aleric Fowl'. I was talking about THIS Aleric Fowl. From THIS story. Sure, he may be the same person and he may have ended up changing. But there's no way a reader of your story can know-- the reason I do is because you briefly mentioned so in a comment! Currently, this is all a reader would know: your character is thirteen, running on the streets, and stealing from shops. erent, more mature version) is because you briefly mentioned so in a comment on your original article.

In address to your title? Most people don't assume 'all authors are ripoffs'. If that was true, then most books simply wouldn't sell. You're raging, in a controlled fashion. I'm not all people, you're not all authors.
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01/08/2013 1:01 am
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And if anyone is making assumptions, you are, with a title like this; along with these constant viewpoints. You're the one who bemoaned Suzzane Collins, you're the one dissing Luke Skywalker. I mentioned how your one page story had a few similarities to Eoin Colfer's work. Maybe if you had filled it out some more, you would've convinced that indeed, you had a very different story to tell. If you're going to write, learn to accept criticism.

Oh.

And the next time you have a problem with someone, take it up with them. Not all of PMC
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